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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #416 on: January 20, 2019, 05:04:05 PM »
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Sure it was Tim.

I'll forgive you since you didn't even know that it wasn't cashed.

I got you covered, just tell everyone it was Ruth Paine's neighbor's fault, it works every time.

You don't need to forgive me at all. The money order was cashed. You obviously are new at this. If you had been engaged in the discussion three years ago, you would  know that the issue was put to rest then. It was debated in this forum, In McAdams' forum and on the ED forum. Actually, there were a number of issues with the money order that were put to rest. The claim that Klein's never bothered to cash the thing was silly to begin with. They were in business for many years and never would have been if they hadn't bothered to cash checks and money orders received as payment for products that they shipped.

Here is a US Postal money order from that period that was never cashed:



Here is the Klein's money order with Oswald's handwriting on it:



The uncashed money order is missing a File Locator Number, which it would have had stamped on it if it passed through the banking system and reached the end point which was the US Treasury Dept.. That is ,if it had been cashed at a bank.

138  J159796 is the File Locator Number that Oswald's money order received after it reached the US Treasury Debt. It had been cashed.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #417 on: January 20, 2019, 05:10:35 PM »
    Something that has NEVER been Replicated is Unproven.  It is merely a LEGEND. "When the Legend becomes FACT, print the Legend" applies to the SBT/Pristine Bullet. Until Replicated, it remains pure  BS:

It depends on what you mean by replicated. It's certainly been established that three shots could be got off in 8.7 seconds with some degree of accuracy. The tests done for the WC and for CBS were attempting to get the three shots off in 5.6 seconds or less and they both had some success with speed and accuracy.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #418 on: January 20, 2019, 05:32:20 PM »
It depends on what you mean by replicated. It's certainly been established that three shots could be got off in 8.7 seconds with some degree of accuracy. The tests done for the WC and for CBS were attempting to get the three shots off in 5.6 seconds or less and they both had some success with speed and accuracy.

    Replicated would be: reproducing, exact copy.  You're use of the phrase "some success" would not meet the bar for "Proof". "Some Success" would be more along the lines of, "Close but No cigar". Per chance you desire to rephrase that? I included the condition of the Pristine Bullet which you have omitted above. No mystery there as to why.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #419 on: January 20, 2019, 05:42:46 PM »
    Replicated would be: reproducing, exact copy.  You're use of the phrase "some success" would not meet the bar for "Proof". "Some Success" would be more along the lines of, "Close but No cigar". Per chance you desire to rephrase that?

You mean that Kennedy and Connally would have to be resurrected from the dead? Yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

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I included the condition of the Pristine Bullet which you have omitted above. No mystery there as to why.

The bullet wasn't pristine. It was flattened longitudinally. Why did you omit that little detail?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #420 on: January 20, 2019, 05:57:17 PM »
Weren't Rowland and Brennen completely separate accounts, with Rowland from the east sidewalk on Houston Street plus 15 minutes before the shots rang out, where Brennen was directly across on Elm Street and says he saw the end or last shot fired

Yes, Arnold Rowland reported the same basic sighting that Howard Brennan reported...  The difference is;... Rowland said he saw the man STANDING  behind the window about 15 minutes prior to the shooting.....and Brennan said that he saw the man STANDING  aiming the rifle out of the window during the shooting....

I'm a little skeptical about Rowland's time estimate ....  And I also have some doubt about Brennan's statement regarding the time that he saw the man....

I believe Rowland and Brennan saw the same man within a few minutes .  Due to Brennan's very excited state, his mind might have  tricked him into thinking that he saw the man DURING the shooting when in reality he had seen that "Security Guard"  man STANDING and scanning the spectators that were lining the streets below through the rifles telescopic sight.   Or perhaps Brennan's honesty  was being challenged by the cop that he went to to report that he'd seen a man with a high powered rifle aiming it from a sixth floor window ....In an effort to get the cop to take him seriously he said that He saw the man fire the rifle ...a small lie, but a lie never the less.... 

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Offline Royell Storing

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #421 on: January 20, 2019, 06:03:33 PM »
You mean that Kennedy and Connally would have to be resurrected from the dead? Yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

The bullet wasn't pristine. It was flattened longitudinally. Why did you omit that little detail?

    Your dancing around is simultaneously amusing and revealing. The discussion centers on the 3 SHOTS start-to-finish. Your attempted diversion into "resurrecting the dead" is a dodge. The bullet is usually referred to as "The PRISTINE Bullet". Hence the use of "Pristine". The weakness of your position is revealed through your quibbling over semantics. Why not follow the oft repeated admonition of Sgt Joe Friday: "Just the Facts Ma'am, just the Facts"?   
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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #422 on: January 20, 2019, 06:14:22 PM »
       An eyewitness saying they saw someone standing and firing 3 shots from the snipers window vs an eyewitness saying they saw a person standing behind a window on the 6th floor = No Corroboration. You are doing yourself and CT's by extension a dis-service by attempting to Jam round pegs into square holes.

Huh??...Jam round pegs into square holes???

I'm disappointed in your response....  I've thought that you were more honest, and open minded, and sincerely looking for facts.....

Arnold Rowland's account  most certainly does corroborate Harold Brennan's report of a man STANDING behind a window on the sixth floor......

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #423 on: January 20, 2019, 06:16:37 PM »
You don't need to forgive me at all. The money order was cashed. You obviously are new at this. If you had been engaged in the discussion three years ago, you would  know that the issue was put to rest then. It was debated in this forum, In McAdams' forum and on the ED forum. Actually, there were a number of issues with the money order that were put to rest. The claim that Klein's never bothered to cash the thing was silly to begin with. They were in business for many years and never would have been if they hadn't bothered to cash checks and money orders received as payment for products that they shipped.

Here is a US Postal money order from that period that was never cashed:



Here is the Klein's money order with Oswald's handwriting on it:



The uncashed money order is missing a File Locator Number, which it would have had stamped on it if it passed through the banking system and reached the end point which was the US Treasury Dept.. That is ,if it had been cashed at a bank.

138  J159796 is the File Locator Number that Oswald's money order received after it reached the US Treasury Debt. It had been cashed.
You are old at this and you're still lying?
The money is not endorsed properly, it's missing 3 of 4 separate endorsements  all 3 are below
First National Bank of Chicago w/ date stamp missing
Federal Reserve In Chicago w/ date stamp missing
Federal postal money order center in Kansas City w/ date stamp missing

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #423 on: January 20, 2019, 06:16:37 PM »