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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on May 28, 2020, 12:53:21 AM
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In the below video (12 minutes to 16 minutes), Peter Dale Scott says that the Secret Service had their own radio system separate of the DPD. It would make sense that when the shots began to ring out in Dealey Plaza, that some one of the secret service agents might have radioed that shots were being fired. If they radioed any message at the time of the fatal head shot, the radio system might have recorded the sound of the fatal head shot (in the background).
Given that the eyewitnesses said there were two shots very close together at the time of the fatal head shot (too close for Oswald to operate the bolt action of the rifle for two separate shots), could the secret service be holding (and suppressing) evidence of a potential second shooter who fired at the time of the fatal head shot?
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In the below video (12 minutes to 16 minutes), Peter Dale Scott says that the Secret Service had their own radio system separate of the DPD. It would make sense that when the shots began to ring out in Dealey Plaza, that some one of the secret service agents might have radioed that shots were being fired. If they radioed any message at the time of the fatal head shot, the radio system might have recorded the sound of the fatal head shot (in the background).
Given that the eyewitnesses said there were two shots very close together at the time of the fatal head shot (too close for Oswald to operate the bolt action of the rifle for two separate shots), could the secret service be holding (and suppressing) evidence of a potential second shooter who fired at the time of the fatal head shot?
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
I heard they locked it up and threw away the key so the Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex (nowadays called The Deep State by Far-Left and Far-Right tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists) could get away with The Fascistic Crime of the Century!
(LOL)
Actually, those "two shots, very close together" were probably the sounds of the supersonic "crack" of the bullet and the attendant muzzle blast of the shot that hit JFK in the upper part of his head at Z-313, quickly followed by their resounding echoes.
Bummer, huh?
-- MWT ;)
PS Peter Dale Scott? The U.C. Berkeley poet-intellectual of Canadian extraction who didn't realize until March 2018 that Yuri "The KGB Didn't Have Anything to Do With Oswald in the USSR" Nosenko was ... gasp ... a false defector?
LOL!
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They have filmic recordings of the head shot(s). Sick assholes planned this out. Right down to monitoring every bullet that hit the skull of JFK.
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They have filmic recordings of the head shot(s). Sick assholes planned this out. Right down to monitoring every bullet that hit the skull of JFK.
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Is that what QAnon says?
-- MWT ;)
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They have filmic recordings of the head shot(s). Sick assholes planned this out. Right down to monitoring every bullet that hit the skull of JFK.
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Why have you circuled various shadows and hands?
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Why have you circuled various shadows and hands?
Because I don't have anything to say about Trump
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Because I don't have anything to say about Trump
No, me neither.
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Because I don't have anything to say about Trump.
Wait!
Pro-Castro Cubans and KGB Soviets support Trump, don't they?
-- MWT ;)
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Tommy's explanation of what happened at frame 313 is beyond ridiculous. I've been sporadically studying this case since childhood and have never heard such a false and flawed version of the fatal head shot. If you trot out the "neuromuscular reaction" nonsense, you will have to acknowledge that Newton's laws work every day, including 11/22/63. Maybe the Zapruder film is unclear? What am I missing?
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Tommy's explanation of what happened at frame 313 is beyond ridiculous. I've been sporadically studying this case since childhood and have never heard such a false and flawed version of the fatal head shot. If you trot out the "neuromuscular reaction" nonsense, you will have to acknowledge that Newton's laws work every day, including 11/22/63. Maybe the Zapruder film is unclear? What am I missing?
Yes Newton's Third Law applies. What would happen according to that law if a large amount of matter was thrown forward from a head wound?
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Yes Newton's Third Law applies. What would happen according to that law if a large amount of matter was thrown forward from a head wound?
As has been asked repeatedly of the "shot came from the front" crowd, what kind of bullet causes a body to jerk back the way JFK's did? The ballistics experts I've read all said there is no such bullet. It makes sense if you apply Newton's law. A bullet doesn't have the power or force to drive a body back like that.
What was JFK hit with, a cannon ball? This wasn't a movie scene where the bodies go flying after being hit. That's not what the experts say a body does when it's hit.
So, if the bullet didn't - and can't - cause such a violent reaction then something else did.
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Yes Newton's Third Law applies. What would happen according to that law if a large amount of matter was thrown forward from a head wound?
The first law seems to have that covered:
First Law
In an inertial frame of reference, an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a force.[2][3]
Seems to me the 3rd law creates the initial force required
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The first law seems to have that covered:
First Law
In an inertial frame of reference, an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a force.[2][3]
Seems to me the 3rd law creates the initial force required
Umm, no.
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Umm, no.
Now there's a valuable teaching moment: Just say no.
Thanks so much for your always useful input, Professor
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Now there's a valuable teaching moment: Just say no.
Thanks so much for your always useful input, Professor
I guess he disagrees with you, but is unable to articulate why ...
Shall we declare him the weiner?
-- MWT ;)
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I guess he disagrees with you, but is unable to articulate why ...
Shall we declare him the weiner?
-- MWT ;)
You are funny. But not in the funny ha ha meaning of the word.
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You are funny. But not in the funny ha ha meaning of the word.
Is that like a bucket of matter being thrown forward?
-- MWT ;)
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Is that like a bucket of matter being thrown forward?
-- MWT ;)
Funny.
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Funny.
Funny ha-ha?
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Funny ha-ha?
Not really, no.
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Not really, no.
Hmm.
Okay.
Well, how do you figure JFK's head and body went back and to his left like that?
Was he shot with a bazooka?
-- MWT ;)
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Hmm.
Okay.
Well, how do you figure JFK's head and body went back and to his left like that?
Was he shot with a bazooka?
-- MWT ;)
From my understanding, the bullet went through the skull and fragmented creating a wave of brain matter and internal pressure within the skull cavity which exploded the skull. From conservation of momentum (which follows from Newton's Third Law) the impact of the bullet on the rear of the skull would produce a small forward movement of the head, which it can be argued is seen in the Zapruder film. Equally, the explosion of brain matter would result in a movement of the head in the opposite direction. It is also argued that a neurological reaction (seen in experiments with goats I understand) could have contributed further to the back and to the left movement, causing a second movement. If so this, would mean a small forward movement, an initial movement back and to the left, then a further movement backward due to the neurological reaction. It can be argued that that is what is seen in Zapruder.
Bazookers are different types of weapons of course.
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From my understanding, the bullet went through the skull and fragmented creating a wave of brain matter and internal pressure within the skull cavity which exploded the skull. From conservation of momentum (which follows from Newton's Third Law) the impact of the bullet on the rear of the skull would produce a small forward movement of the head, which it can be argued is seen in the Zapruder film. Equally, the explosion of brain matter would result in a movement of the head in the opposite direction. It is also argued that a neurological reaction (seen in experiments with goats I understand) could have contributed further to the back and to the left movement, causing a second movement. If so this, would mean a small forward movement, an initial movement back and to the left, then a further movement backward due to the neurological reaction. It can be argued that that is what is seen in Zapruder.
Bazookas are different types of weapons of course.
Spot on.
Nicely put, as well.
-- MWT ;)
PS And if a goodly position of the right side of his brain was expelled with great force through a palm-size hole in the upper-right portion of his scull, the "jet effect" would have propelled his head backwards, and to his left, just as we seen in the Zapruder film.
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Spot on.
Nicely put, as well.
-- MWT ;)
PS And if a goodly position of the right side of his brain was expelled with great force through a palm-size hole in the upper right portion of his scull, the "jet effect" would have propelled his head backwards, and to his left, just as we seen in the Zapruder film.
Indeed. Glad we agree. I struggle to tell at times from your posts what point you are making, hence my comments. Thanks.
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Indeed. Glad we agree. I struggle to tell at times from your posts what point you are making, hence my comments. Thanks.
Not at all. (British English)
I thought you were arguing the opposite with whatshisname.
My condolences.
-- MWT ;)
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Not at all. (British English)
I thought you were arguing the opposite with whatshisname.
My condolences.
-- MWT ;)
No probs. My post was more to do with which of Newton's laws was the most relevant and the understanding of what the laws mean.
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No probs. My post was more to do with which of Newton's laws was the most relevant and the understanding of what the laws mean.
Ah ha.
... Yeah, I was a bit skeptical, myself.
-- MWT ;)
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Don't know about a SS recording of the 3 Shots being fired, but I DO Believe there is a recording of the JFK Autopsy at Bethesda. Bethesda had been Upgraded just before the assassination of JFK and that upgrading included the addition of cutting edge audio/video capabilities. When you consider Everything the Govt has gone out of their way to record over the course of history, (D. Day Invasion, Battle Of Midway, etc) they Definitely would have recorded the JFK Autopsy. The violent death of Lt Cmdr Pitzer who was of the Head of Audio/Video there at Bethesda being further proof of the autopsy being recorded. 1st Class Hospital Corpsman Dennis David adds corroboration with his recalling sitting down with Pitzer a few days after the assassination. The 2 of them viewed a 16mm B/W Film of JFK being rolled over on the Autopsy Table and revealing a small Entry wound in the (R) Forehead area and a Large/Exit in the (R) Rear of JFK's head.
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Don't know about a SS recording of the 3 Shots being fired, but I DO Believe there is a recording of the JFK Autopsy at Bethesda. Bethesda had been Upgraded just before the assassination of JFK and that upgrading included the addition of cutting edge audio/video capabilities. When you consider Everything the Govt has gone out of their way to record over the course of history, (D. Day Invasion, Battle Of Midway, etc) they Definitely would have recorded the JFK Autopsy. The violent death of Lt Cmdr Pitzer who was of the Head of Audio/Video there at Bethesda being further proof of the autopsy being recorded. 1st Class Hospital Corpsman Dennis David adds corroboration with his recalling sitting down with Pitzer a few days after the assassination. The 2 of them viewed a 16mm B/W Film of JFK being rolled over on the Autopsy Table and revealing a small Entry wound in the (R) Forehead area and a Large/Exit in the (R) Rear of JFK's head.
What a load of crap. Typical conspiracy bulls—t. Pitzer’s death was investigated by Naval intelligence and the FBI. It was ruled a suicide based on the physical evidence and interviews with family members. This was as I recall some 3 years after the JFK assassination. Pitzer’s wife stated her husband had been depressed for months and had recently attended the funerals of several friends. His depression was growing worse and she expressed concern to him about it. Your choice of the word “violent” death is laughable. Typical Fox News editorializing. Suicides are often violent deaths. You then claim you “believe” there is a recording of the JFK autopsy. Well, belief is something one has in the absence of actual evidence. So, you lose again. Laughable to imagine this vast conspiracy would allow filming of an autopsy which most kooks believed was rigged from the beginning.
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What a load of crap. Typical conspiracy bulls—t. Pitzer’s death was investigated by Naval intelligence and the FBI. It was ruled a suicide based on the physical evidence and interviews with family members. This was as I recall some 3 years after the JFK assassination. Pitzer’s wife stated her husband had been depressed for months and had recently attended the funerals of several friends. His depression was growing worse and she expressed concern to him about it. Your choice of the word “violent” death is laughable. Typical Fox News editorializing. Suicides are often violent deaths. You then claim you “believe” there is a recording of the JFK autopsy. Well, belief is something one has in the absence of actual evidence. So, you lose again. Laughable to imagine this vast conspiracy would allow filming of an autopsy which most kooks believed was rigged from the beginning.
Paul,
Perfect.
The last sentence, especially.
-- MWT ;)
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Don't know about a SS recording of the 3 Shots being fired, but I DO Believe there is a recording of the JFK Autopsy at Bethesda. Bethesda had been Upgraded just before the assassination of JFK and that upgrading included the addition of cutting edge audio/video capabilities. When you consider Everything the Govt has gone out of their way to record over the course of history, (D. Day Invasion, Battle Of Midway, etc) they Definitely would have recorded the JFK Autopsy. The violent death of Lt Cmdr Pitzer who was of the Head of Audio/Video there at Bethesda being further proof of the autopsy being recorded. 1st Class Hospital Corpsman Dennis David adds corroboration with his recalling sitting down with Pitzer a few days after the assassination. The 2 of them viewed a 16mm B/W Film of JFK being rolled over on the Autopsy Table and revealing a small Entry wound in the (R) Forehead area and a Large/Exit in the (R) Rear of JFK's head.
Dear Royell,
I LOVE YOU!
Regardless, how the xxxx did you get like this -- A Trump-worshiping Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theorist?
The JFK crap musta come first, right?
9/11?
Waco?
Benghazi?
Hillary's 300,000 missing emails?
The persecution of Edward "Traitor" Snowden and Julian "Wanker" Assange?
The Moon Landings?
What?
Seems as though the KGB did a Double Whammy on you, my friend.
But I still love you more than Putin does.
And that's saying a lot.
Wanna go frog-giggin' sometime?
-- MWT ;)
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The above FAILS to address the corroboration supplied by Corpsman Dennis David. David being a Very Credible Witness regarding Pitzer having and editing a 16mm B/W film of JFK on the Autopsy Table explains this omission. If there is 1 thing the U.S. Govt does, it's Documenting EVERYTHING in Triplicate.
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The above FAILS to address the corroboration supplied by Corpsman Dennis David. David being a Very Credible Witness regarding Pitzer having and editing a 16mm B/W film of JFK on the Autopsy Table explains this omission. If there is 1 thing the U.S. Govt does, it's Documenting EVERYTHING in Triplicate.
The Kennedy family, RFK in particular had total control of the autopsy. Your ignorance of history is astounding. You’re nothing more than a conspiracy mouthpiece. How cautious was RFK? He had JFK’s coffin dumped into the Atlantic Ocean so it would not become a curiosity piece to lunatics just like yourself. And yet you believe the Kennedy family would allow a film of the autopsy to be made when NOBODY in the family wanted JFK’s health problems to be disclosed. Laughable in its’ ignorance. You show yourself to be a neophyte regarding the assassination buying into anything that screams CONSPIRACY. You cannot fix dumb.
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Guess You have Never played the Humes "when did the Autopsy OFFICIALLY start" game. Rookie!
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Guess You have Never played the Humes "when did the Autopsy OFFICIALLY start" game. Rookie!
Tell you what genius, let’s you and me debate LIVE on the internet the JFK assassination event for all to see who choose to watch? Up to the challenge?
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Tell you what genius, let’s you and me debate LIVE on the internet the JFK assassination event for all to see who choose to watch? Up to the challenge?
Hiding again Storing? Lose your confidence? That big racist mouth of yours closed? I’m calling you out. Running behind mommies skirt? You, me, a debate. LIVE. Got the balls.
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Storing, being the coward he is will not agree to a live debate. He can’t. Obvious why.
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Storing, being the coward he is will not agree to a live debate. He can’t. Obvious why.
12 hours and Storing hides. He cowers.
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agree to a live debate.
How would this be broadcast? On Facebook or Youtube or something like that? Has one of these kinds of debates taken place before?
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How would this be broadcast? On Facebook or Youtube or something like that? Has one of these kinds of debates taken place before?
There are numerous sources on line to accomplish this. The problem in this case is Storing showing himself to be a coward who continually runs and cowers after making ignorant comments. He never supports a thing he says. He knows it. We know it. In a debate, he’d have to justify his positions. He can’t. He knows it. He hides.
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There are numerous sources on line to accomplish this. The problem in this case is Storing showing himself to be a coward who continually runs and cowers after making ignorant comments. He never supports a thing he says. He knows it. We know it. In a debate, he’d have to justify his positions. He can’t. He knows it. He hides.
Paul,
I'm not so sure.
Trump duped half the country in the 2016 debates.
-- MWT ;)
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Really? RFK had total control of the autopsy? Please produce your proof of this. Wasn't RFK waiting with Jackie while the autopsy was happening? I have yet to see a witness who says RFK was at the autopsy. Therefore, how on earth does he "control" it? The eyewitness testimony of the autopsy participants is extremely disturbing and I would be astounded if RFK knew what was actually happening to his brother's body at Bethesda. This is not one of those trivial matters that is often discussed here. It is vital that we discover who was really in charge of the autopsy.
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Paul,
I'm not so sure.
Trump duped half the country in the 2016 debates.
-- MWT ;)
Trump Won 30 states. With the States deciding who is POTUS, means Trump "duped" Far More than "half the country". Class Dismissed!
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Really? RFK had total control of the autopsy? Please produce your proof of this. Wasn't RFK waiting with Jackie while the autopsy was happening? I have yet to see a witness who says RFK was at the autopsy. Therefore, how on earth does he "control" it? The eyewitness testimony of the autopsy participants is extremely disturbing and I would be astounded if RFK knew what was actually happening to his brother's body at Bethesda. This is not one of those trivial matters that is often discussed here. It is vital that we discover who was really in charge of the autopsy.
I never said RFK was physically at the autopsy. He and Jackie were on a different floor at Bethesda. That being said, RFK let it be known he wanted the autopsy done quickly yet wanted none of JFK’s physical health issues to be made public, specifically his Addison’s Disease and any pharmaceuticals found. At this moment RFK was most concerned about his brothers and families reputations.
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Trump Won 30 states. With the States deciding who is POTUS, means Trump "duped" Far More than "half the country". Class Dismissed!
Dear Royell,
Oh, you mean the undereducated voters in 30 relatively "podunk" states.
How about the popular vote, overall?
(I should have said 45% or so of the voters in this country, instead.)
-- MWT ;)
PS Please get well. We're all praying for you. All except for Iacoletti, that is.