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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Jon Banks on October 04, 2021, 02:38:45 PM

Title: On this date in 1963
Post by: Jon Banks on October 04, 2021, 02:38:45 PM: Stars and Stripes published an article on JFK withdrawing troops & advisers from Vietnam after winning re-election.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA1kBKKVcAIAVzB?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Also, Lee Harvey Oswald returns to the Dallas area after spending the spring and summer of 63' in New Orleans.
Title: Re: On this date in 1963
Post by: Charles Collins on October 04, 2021, 07:53:14 PM: Quote from: Jon Banks on October 04, 2021, 02:38:45 PM
Stars and Stripes published an article on JFK withdrawing troops & advisers from Vietnam after winning re-election.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA1kBKKVcAIAVzB?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Also, Lee Harvey Oswald returns to the Dallas area after spending the spring and summer of 63' in New Orleans.

Plus a little side trip to Mexico City…..
Title: Re: On this date in 1963
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on October 04, 2021, 08:10:04 PM: From the Pentagon Papers about this announcement and about the "phased withdrawal plan." As they say, events overtook what was planned. From what I've read, that's usually what happens in a war.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NzhxP8Xg10aNwA60IDKDWzXVgAEsALdeeMsHZulTRa6ARcq09OVjCEQelW18QqJkK2Mx7golfxWZ4dBM764S3roNSXdkgooAut8G17YIEIIOWb-akQWmfYlPLkTQhZuuRzgioRVCE2SsB7ELh0jo7EmHhimjdtL_NKfSI_xZlM_TlL1Qmw8f7_qEwyE8-1D_0p3YAzWP1zpllflq1fTE99h-LBVyMGZJWmRal2gc2_f20sT_k9HnNw8mY07e72zbVosHdoNcKgqD_t2pwP90ALA-Ci_PF1pRYvzTGzSCuy9Z-gw-P1y0n2MKcNyljNH1zm2sHA1dbZwbt7c2UjdLwhpxtI4hd_A8bntHQqIuUhv_KoBJ_eI7vdk3swsGDsRZpiIUGfw0BgCrFwegu-ysBGM4t75T7mK9o0WXhlH0mYqyhgY5M5hX1w5ICGjMV5HZnYuPrCSK_dwXMndz-MINP9qH0zkR1wxL_dKoTe4P9ymkSZay5j89U1FsfBONWVrSUQwA2_jqCozm5h3vApCnhbs2nV0h6v3HQ_J2FR2-W7-xwTbEU7mvjd0q2LQLNoba6-AAaPWTmevmo2mCueb5R1vijceE6pzlxefH4fKyBxg6VuuuIKeT7ccepNmAjT-AU25Ll4j5SgAaCLVvJAQdh8kktkfHFXc5r6Od9spObJGY-fiOK5DjgTSuqXMOfO3wjEGGaN0SLO9zC2qCz-D4-ivw=w788-h873-no?authuser=0)
Title: Re: On this date in 1963
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on October 04, 2021, 08:11:17 PM: Cont.:
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Title: Re: On this date in 1963
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on October 04, 2021, 08:12:23 PM: The entire chapter/section on this is here: https://nara-media-001.s3.amazonaws.com/arcmedia/research/pentagon-papers/Pentagon-Papers-Part-IV-B-4.pdf
Title: Re: On this date in 1963
Post by: Charles Collins on October 05, 2021, 02:35:41 PM: Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on October 04, 2021, 08:10:04 PM
From the Pentagon Papers about this announcement and about the "phased withdrawal plan." As they say, events overtook what was planned. From what I've read, that's usually what happens in a war.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NzhxP8Xg10aNwA60IDKDWzXVgAEsALdeeMsHZulTRa6ARcq09OVjCEQelW18QqJkK2Mx7golfxWZ4dBM764S3roNSXdkgooAut8G17YIEIIOWb-akQWmfYlPLkTQhZuuRzgioRVCE2SsB7ELh0jo7EmHhimjdtL_NKfSI_xZlM_TlL1Qmw8f7_qEwyE8-1D_0p3YAzWP1zpllflq1fTE99h-LBVyMGZJWmRal2gc2_f20sT_k9HnNw8mY07e72zbVosHdoNcKgqD_t2pwP90ALA-Ci_PF1pRYvzTGzSCuy9Z-gw-P1y0n2MKcNyljNH1zm2sHA1dbZwbt7c2UjdLwhpxtI4hd_A8bntHQqIuUhv_KoBJ_eI7vdk3swsGDsRZpiIUGfw0BgCrFwegu-ysBGM4t75T7mK9o0WXhlH0mYqyhgY5M5hX1w5ICGjMV5HZnYuPrCSK_dwXMndz-MINP9qH0zkR1wxL_dKoTe4P9ymkSZay5j89U1FsfBONWVrSUQwA2_jqCozm5h3vApCnhbs2nV0h6v3HQ_J2FR2-W7-xwTbEU7mvjd0q2LQLNoba6-AAaPWTmevmo2mCueb5R1vijceE6pzlxefH4fKyBxg6VuuuIKeT7ccepNmAjT-AU25Ll4j5SgAaCLVvJAQdh8kktkfHFXc5r6Od9spObJGY-fiOK5DjgTSuqXMOfO3wjEGGaN0SLO9zC2qCz-D4-ivw=w788-h873-no?authuser=0)

From Britannica:

The Pentagon Papers revealed that the Harry S. Truman administration gave military aid to France in its colonial war against the communist-led Viet Minh, thus directly involving the United States in Vietnam; that in 1954 Pres. Dwight D. Eisenhower decided to prevent a communist takeover of South Vietnam and to undermine the new communist regime of North Vietnam; that Pres. John F. Kennedy transformed the policy of “limited-risk gamble” that he had inherited into a policy of “broad commitment”; that Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson intensified covert warfare against North Vietnam and began planning to wage overt war in 1964, a full year before the depth of U.S. involvement was publicly revealed; and that Johnson ordered the bombing of North Vietnam in 1965 despite the judgment of the U.S. intelligence community that it would not cause the North Vietnamese to cease their support of the Viet Cong insurgency in South Vietnam.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Daniel-Ellsberg (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Daniel-Ellsberg)

Just curious about specifically how JFK transformed the policy. Can anyone direct me to the section in the Pentagon Papers that spells this out?
Title: Re: On this date in 1963
Post by: Jon Banks on November 10, 2021, 01:27:19 AM: From the ghost of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Twitter account :D

OTD in 1963:

“Ruth Paine told Agent Hosty of the FBI that I’m a ‘Trotskyite Communist’ and an ‘illogical person.’ Wait until I tell him about you Ruth. I know you’re a domestic surveillance agent who’s brother and father worked for the CIA”

https://twitter.com/leeharvey63/status/1458223744661475333?s=21