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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Fred Litwin on August 16, 2023, 12:53:34 PM
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Was Bill Harvey in Dallas in November of 1963?
A recent article by Jefferson Morley claimed that Harvey was in Dallas in November of 1963. There is no credible evidence that he was.
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Was Bill Harvey in Dallas in November of 1963?
A recent article by Jefferson Morley claimed that Harvey was in Dallas in November of 1963. There is no credible evidence that he was.
Nice piece, Fred. Thank you. Many individuals point to Bill's widow on youtube. He did more good than bad, like James Jesus.
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Fred unironically says there’s “no evidence” despite the fact that Harvey’s CIA files are still classified almost 50 years since his death :D
If there’s nothing to hide, the CIA should declassify his files and make all of us skeptics eat crow.
Do you work for the CIA Fred?
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You think that every time you have a suspicion, the CIA should just declassify documents?
Do I work for the CIA?
Of course, you wouldn't believe the pay checks.
fred
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You think that every time you have a suspicion, the CIA should just declassify documents?
Do I work for the CIA?
Of course, you wouldn't believe the pay checks.
fred
I asked about your employment because the only reasonable explanation for your confidence on this matter could be that you’ve seen what is in the secret Bill Harvey files.
If you haven’t seen the files then your opinion is as good as Jeff Morley’s.
Speaking for myself, I believe there are no innocent reasons why the CIA insists on keeping Harvey’s files secret decades after his death.
I don’t believe there’s a smoking gun hidden somewhere in the secret files but there may be something in the classified documents that increases the plausibility of Harvey and possibly other CIA officers having a role in JFK’s murder. That’s the only explanation that makes sense to me given that there’s no reasonable expectation that secrets from decades ago could endanger the CIA’s operations today.
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MY confidence on the matter is based not on the ridiculous notion that I work for the CIA, but on the fact that there is NO
credible evidence Harvey was in Dallas in November of 1963, let alone had anything to do with the assassination. That is
a fact.
fred
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MY confidence on the matter is based not on the ridiculous notion that I work for the CIA, but on the fact that there is NO
credible evidence Harvey was in Dallas in November of 1963, let alone had anything to do with the assassination. That is
a fact.
fred
The truth is neither one of us can know for certain because some people didn't want us to know the truth.
I don't understand why some people try to fact-check stuff that remains inconclusive. It usually reveals that they have an agenda...
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There is nothing inconclusive. There is no credible evidence that Harvey was in Dallas.
My agenda is quite simple - to debunk JFK conspiracy theories wherever I see them.
And I am right on this one - there is NO credible evidence he was in Dallas.
Fred
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There is nothing inconclusive. There is no credible evidence that Harvey was in Dallas.
My agenda is quite simple - to debunk JFK conspiracy theories wherever I see them.
And I am right on this one - there is NO credible evidence he was in Dallas.
Fred
And there’s no credible evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald was on the 6th floor with a rifle at 12:30pm on 11/22/63.
Case closed?
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Yes, change the subject. If you want to talk about Oswald, then start your own string.
This one is about Harvey.
fred
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Yes, change the subject. If you want to talk about Oswald, then start your own string.
This one is about Harvey.
fred
I'm happy to discuss Bill Harvey.
Here's what Jefferson Morley wrote:
"In 1960 Harvey was put in charge of ZR-RIFLE, the agency’s assassination program, mainly because of his connections to the Italian and Corsican crime syndicates. At the same time he ran Task Force W, the CIA’s project to overthrow Fidel Castro’s leftist government in Cuban. After a shouting match with Robert Kennedy during a tense meeting amid the Cuban missile crisis, Helms transferred him to the Rome station where he was known to win arguments by pointing his pistol at the head of his interlocutor. In The Devil’s Chessboard, David Talbot cites the account of a State Department official who served in Roman saying he saw Harvey on a domestic flight to Dallas in the fall of 1963, and wondered why he would go there. In his memoir, CIA director Richard Helms praised him as “wily, informed perceptive and deeply patriotic, adding “He was deliberately blunt and loudly outspoken, qualities that, with his heavy drinking were eventually to catch up with him.” Before his death in June 1976, he told C.G. Harvey to burn his personal papers when he passed. In handwritten notes on the ZR-RIFLE program, Harvey said that one key in assassination operations was to make sure a communist took the blame.
In 1978 John Whitten, a senior CIA official who worked with Harvey in Berlin, told the House Select Committee on Assassinations that Harvey was “gun nut” and “dangerous. Asked why Harvey might have told his wife to destroy his personal paper, Whitten replied. “He was too young to have assassinated McKinley or Lincoln. It could have been anything.”
That was Bill Harvey, a plausible JFK suspect.
In the two years following Harvey’s death, some investigators on the House Select Committee on Assassinations regarded him as a prime suspect in the assassination of President Kennedy, because of his harsh criticism of JFK’s Cuba policy and the role of Bobby Kennedy in it. Although no proof that Harvey was involved in JFK assassination has ever surfaced, his hostility to the Kennedys bordered on insubordination, as this video shows."
https://jfkfacts.org/cia-widow-denounced-jfk-jackie-and-rfk-then-she-expressed-love-for-a-gangster/#google_vignette
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No proof of anything.
It's easy to just report Morley's allegations.
But I have debunked them.
fred
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No proof of anything.
It's easy to just report Morley's allegations.
But I have debunked them.
fred
"debunked" - lol :D
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When Fred says "debunked", what he really means is that Wyatt's daughter is skeptical.
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There is nothing inconclusive. There is no credible evidence that Harvey was in Dallas.
My agenda is quite simple - to debunk JFK conspiracy theories wherever I see them.
And I am right on this one - there is NO credible evidence he was in Dallas.
Fred
My agenda is quite simple - to debunk JFK conspiracy theories wherever I see them.
(https://i.imgur.com/IkJr1ZGs.jpg)
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https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/a-reply-to-jefferson-morley-on-bill-harvey (https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/a-reply-to-jefferson-morley-on-bill-harvey)
A reply to Jefferson Morley.
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The correct answer to most of these questions that Fred tries to "debunk":
"we may never know the truth"