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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Michael Welch on September 14, 2023, 09:21:04 PM
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While doing some research today, I ran across a small thread started by Robin Unger on The Education Forum called Roy Lewis UPDATED from 2016.
In it he was saying how it is strange that Roy is at a conference which Robin attended and Larry Rivera and Judyth Baker and others including Roy himself are claiming that Roy was Carl Edward Jones in the TSBD entrance. Back in 2013 I had discovered that Roy was in the Bronson film running out to see the limo with three other men. They end up around 50 feet behind Mary Moorman when the fatal head shot happens. Roy stands there transfixed while people rush past him to the Grassy Knoll. He eventually makes it over to Carl Edward Jones at the concrete island. Roy seems like a very nice man who has been scared and hiding this information for sixty years. He says he was on the top step of the TSBD or behind the glass doors during the shooting. I was wondering if there is any researcher living in Dallas who would like to visit him and interview and film him and see if he would come clean before he dies. I believe he is going to be 77 next month. Sincerely yours, Michael
Roy is the second from the left in the Bronson frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/digitalcollections12.jpg)
Roy is to the right and up a liittle fron the blonde haired lady in black in this Nix frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/Gayle%20Nix%20Jackson%20Frames/0347.jpg)
Roy is with Otis Williams and Carl Edward Jone at the concrete island in this Hughes frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/7643.jpg)
Roy is finally on the TSBD steps with Carl Edward Jones in this Willis photo. He is in the maroon colored jacket. Carl is in the silver colored outfit.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/willis08.jpg)
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Roy is to the right and up a liittle fron the blonde haired lady in black in this Nix frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/Gayle%20Nix%20Jackson%20Frames/0347.jpg)
Roy is with Otis Williams and Carl Edward Jone at the concrete island in this Hughes frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/7643.jpg)
This was a brilliant catch!
Are we 100% sure that this man IS in fact Mr. Roy Edward Lewis? Has he ever identified himself as the man in the Hughes frame & the Willis photo?
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This was a brilliant catch!
Are we 100% sure that this man IS in fact Mr. Roy Edward Lewis? Has he ever identified himself as the man in the Hughes frame & the Willis photo?
Hi Alan, I am 100% sure this is Roy Edward Lewis. Robin and other researchers have commented how weird it is that he has taken Carl Edward Jones identity and place. Roy has said in a Larry Rivera video--- I saw him[President Kennedy] brush his hair over with his right hand and then there were the shots. Well this could only have happened if he was standing at the corner of Main and Houston Streets like he is in the Bronson film. Then in No More Silence he said I heard Boom Boom Boom and the people in front of me hit the ground. There was no one hitting the concrete outside of the TSBD if he was on the top step or behind the glass. I can understand why he could keep quiet at first. He had just seen, from one of the closest and best vantage points of any of the witnesses, the most powerful man in the world get his brains blown out. Also, like the Chism family, they just feared because they were black that something could happen to them, so they kept their mouthes shut. Thank you for writing! Sincerely yours, Michael
First, let's look at some statements made by Roy Lewis to the FBI and the Dallas Police.
12/9/63 FBI Report (CD 205 p23) "... viewed the Presidential motorcade and heard the shots…but could offer no information as to where the shots had come from.”
2/18/64 Dallas Police report, CD950, p.54) "Subject stated that he was in the entrance of the building when the president was assassinated."
3/18/64 Statement to FBI agents (referenced above) "... at approximately 12 :25,PM I stood by myself on the inside of the front entrance of the Texas School Book Depository Building to watch President John F . Kennedy come by the building in a motorcade..."
1998 No More Silence Pg 84-89 "...“I was standing with some ladies from up in the offices right in the middle of the steps in front of the building that led to the sidewalk beyond the glass door. As the motorcade came by, I remember seeing Kennedy brushing back his hair. That’s when all hell broke loose! I heard BOOM!... BOOM!... BOOM! with the second and third shots being closer together. The people down in front of me hit the ground then everybody started running toward the grassy knoll…
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Bronson_crop_2.jpg)
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It is amazing how Roy is on so many JFK films including the Zapruder film.
(https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z311.jpg)
Behind Mary Moorman in frame 311, Roy's bottom half of his body can be seen on the far left of the group of four men.
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Hi Alan, I am 100% sure this is Roy Edward Lewis.
OK, but HOW are you 100% sure?
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Hi Alan, He has the same size shoes and the same maroon jacket! I will not trouble you with a Prayer Man response. We will just have to agree to disagree! Thank you kind sir! Sincerely yours, Michael
Here are Roy's jacket and shoes in the Cooper/Cook film frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Cook_frame_0019.jpg)
Here are Roy's jacket and shoes in this Nix frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/Gayle%20Nix%20Jackson%20Frames/normal_0454.jpg)
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Hi Alan, He has the same size shoes and the same maroon jacket!
We seem to be talking at cross-purposes here. I accept as compelling your identification of the man in Hughes & Willis as the same man seen out on the grass in Bronson. It was an important discovery, for which I tip my hat to you.
BUT! My question is: How do you know that this man, the fellow in the maroon top in all these images, is indeed the TSBD worker Mr. Roy Edward Lewis?
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We seem to be talking at cross-purposes here. I accept as compelling your identification of the man in Hughes & Willis as the same man seen out on the grass in Bronson. It was an important discovery, for which I tip my hat to you.
BUT! My question is: How do you know that this man, the fellow in the maroon top in all these images, is indeed the TSBD worker Mr. Roy Edward Lewis?
Hi Alan, Sorry, I did not understand. Sincerely yours, Michael
(https://jfkassassinationfiles.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/carl-jones.jpg)
(https://jfkassassinationfiles.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/lewis-roy-e.jpg?w=290)
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Just as a complete aside - what is around his waist in this pic?
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Cook_frame_0019.jpg)
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Just as a complete aside - what is around his waist in this pic?
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Cook_frame_0019.jpg)
Hi Dan, Great question! It looks like a huge fanny pack but is probably some lady's black purse or something merging in as usual. Thank you as always for writing! Sincerely yours, Michael
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Hi Dan, Great question! It looks like a huge fanny pack but is probably some lady's black purse or something merging in as usual. Thank you as always for writing! Sincerely yours, Michael
;D
It does look weird but as you say it's probably just something behind him.
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Jacket tied around his waist?
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Jacket tied around his waist?
Hi John. I thought of that first, but I think he is still wearing it! Thank you for your valuable input! Sincerely yours, Michael
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Hi John. I thought of that first, but I think he is still wearing it! Thank you for your valuable input! Sincerely yours, Michael
I don't think he is still wearing it, Michael.
What you see as his Jacket is, in my opinion, his Shirt, and as John indicated, he is wearing his Jacket wrapped around his waist.
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I don't think he is still wearing it, Michael.
What you see as his Jacket is, in my opinion, his Shirt, and as John indicated, he is wearing his Jacket wrapped around his waist.
Hi Duncan, I know it looks like a jacket but it is actually, the lady wearing glasses, Yola Hopson's? big black purse and Roy's right arm's shadow cast on Roy' back. Thank you for your input and everything that you do for us! With Much Gratitude and Admiration, Michael
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Cook_frame_0011.jpg)
You can see Roy is wearing his shirt under his jacket in this Cooper/Cook frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Cook_frame_0028.jpg)
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Hi Duncan, I know it looks like a jacket but it is actually, the lady wearing glasses, Yola Hopson's? big black purse and Roy's right arm's shadow cast on Roy' back. Thank you for your input and everything that you do for us! With Much Gratitude and Admiration, Michael
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Cook_frame_0011.jpg)
You can see Roy is wearing his shirt under his jacket in this Cooper/Cook frame.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Cook_frame_0028.jpg)
I just watched the Roy Cooper Film, Michael, you are 100% correct.
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I just watched the Roy Cooper Film, Michael, you are 100% correct.
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Hi Duncan, You are so much better than some forum moderators who cling to their identification; are uncorrectable in public; then later correct their own private sites!!! I was actually looking for the Roy Cooper film! Would you mind posting it? Thank you for your excellent research my friend! I really appreciate it! With Much Gratitude and Admiration! Sincerely yours, Michael
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Hi Duncan, You are so much better than some forum moderators who cling to their identification; are uncorrectable in public; then later correct their own private sites!!! I was actually looking for the Roy Cooper film! Would you mind posting it? Thank you for your excellent research my friend! I really appreciate it! With Much Gratitude and Admiration! Sincerely yours, Michael
Thumb1: The Channel at this link has various edits of the Film https://www.youtube.com/@thejfktheorist1122/search?query=cooper%20film (https://www.youtube.com/@thejfktheorist1122/search?query=cooper%20film)
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Thumb1: The Channel at this link has various edits of the Film https://www.youtube.com/@thejfktheorist1122/search?query=cooper%20film (https://www.youtube.com/@thejfktheorist1122/search?query=cooper%20film)
Hi Duncan, Wow! Thank you so very much! This is the film that shows the Dallas Police Officer, possibly J. L. Chadwick and Detective Joe D. Hutchison driving Arce, Williams, and Shelley over to the Sheriff's Office! Detectives B. L. Senkel and C. W. Brown wrote up reports that they had driven them over, but they lied! Thank you for everything! I really appreciate it! Sincerely yours, Michael
Check out the footage starting around the 3:45 minute mark!
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Hi Duncan, Wow! Thank you so very much! This is the film that shows the Dallas Police Officer, possibly J. L. Chadwick and Detective Jerry D. Hutchinson driving Arce, Williams, and Shelley over to the Sheriff's Office! Detectives B. L. Senkel and C. W. Brown wrote up reports that they had driven them over, but they lied! Thank you for everything! I really appreciate it! Sincerely yours, Michael
Check out the footage starting around the 3:45 minute mark!
This is what Detective Brown looked like. He is on the far right. Credit: Denis Morissette
(https://jfkinvestigators.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/unknown.jpg?w=429&h=221)
This is what Detective Senkel looked like. Credit: Linda Zambanini
(https://jfkinvestigators.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/senkel-billy-comparison.jpg?w=473&h=346)
This is what Detective Jerry D. Hutchinson looked like. Credit: Denis Morissette
(https://jfkinvestigators.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/hutchison-j-d-collage.jpg)
This is what I base my Officer J. L. Chadwick identification on.
(https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/21192070_1287450608050565_374829922029898451_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=IUz6ul3pWwUAX_Kz_z5&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-1.xx&oh=00_AfD_NhTYjb0mi8EJk4lOShNgq2GIVcvyK8_RisCw4M4A5Q&oe=653AB7FF)
With this clearer footage, thanks to Duncan, it could be Officer Paul K. Wilkins. Credit: Jeremy Bacon for his identification in this picture below.
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Probably the reason Roy Edward Lewis has never reported his location out on the grass near the presidential limo during the fatal head shot is he was with his father and younger brother. In several Murray photographs, you see a boy dressed in white who looks a lot like Roy.
In this Murray photo, the boy in white is standing near the North pergola. To his right is a group of mostly black men. The man wearing the fedora hat is probably Roy's and this boy's father.
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Murrayscan13.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/MurrayTraskUnger3.jpg)
(https://i.servimg.com/u/f57/18/50/79/06/shelle10.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Dealey-Plaza-9.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/20180925-202030.JPG)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/digitalcollections12.jpg)