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Title: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Duncan MacRae on November 08, 2023, 12:03:00 PM
The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane


Bowers died August 1966 when his car left an empty road and struck a concrete bridge abutment near Midlothian, Texas
Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Royell Storing on November 08, 2023, 04:15:29 PM
The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane


Bowers died August 1966 when his car left an empty road and struck a concrete bridge abutment near Midlothian, Texas

The car stuff Bowers detailed has always been given the bulk of the attention. This is Mis-Direction. Fact is, the most important part of Bowers WC Testimony is his detailing seeing 2 Men. Bearing in mind that the Railroad Tower that Bowers was viewing from is DIRECTLY in-line with the parking stalls that run into the N-S section of the Picket Fence, Bowers described these 2 men to be standing roughly at the Corner of the Picket Pence. Where the N-S section meets the E-W section. (I believe these 2 Men were probably standing outside of the Parking Lot, near that picket fence corner.) Bowers Explicitly described 1 of these Men to be wearing a WHITE SHIRT. None of the 3 guys frequently shown to be standing on/near The Steps landing is wearing anything close to a WHITE SHIRT. This WHITE SHIRT Man that Bowers detailed could Not possibly be any of these 3 guys on The Steps. The WHITE SHIRT MAN that Bowers detailed has 1 source that corroborates the Bowers WC Testimony. A Frame-By-Frame examination of the NIX Film is required to find this corroboration. Immediately after the Kill Shot, as SA Hill is arriving at the JFK Limo bumper, FOCUS your attention on The Steps. For roughly 3 frames, there is a WHITE SHIRT MAN running up The Steps. This split second/3 frame snippet is usually omitted from the Nix Film when it is shown. Interestingly, the ORIGINAL NIX Film has been Missing for decades. I do Not believe in coincidences.   
Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on November 08, 2023, 04:38:52 PM
The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane


Lee Bowers died in August 1966, when his car left an empty road and struck a concrete bridge abutment near Midlothian, Texas

The key/critical part of the account for me is this:  "Now I could see back or the South side of the wooden fence in the area, so that obviously that there was no one there who could have - uh - had anything to do with either - as accomplice or anything else because there was no one there - um - at the moment that the shots were fired."

Again: "There was no one there....at the moment that the shots were fired." "There" being the back of the fence. The men he saw were in *front* of the fence on the steps and not behind it.

He further added that the "flash of light or smoke" he saw was where the two men - in *front* of the fence were located. Nothing from *behind* the fence.
The men he saw, I would suggest, are two of three men seen in the Moorman photo. Again, he said he saw no one *behind* the fence.

(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID10718481568/Keyo23p8vkkxb7r/Moorman%20Photo.jpg)

Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Royell Storing on November 08, 2023, 05:07:00 PM
The key/critical part of the account for me is this:  "Now I could see back or the South side of the wooden fence in the area, so that obviously that there was no one there who could have - uh - had anything to do with either - as accomplice or anything else because there was no one there - um - at the moment that the shots were fired."

Again: "There was no one there....at the moment that the shots were fired." "There" being the back of the fence. The men he saw were in *front* of the fence on the steps and not behind it.

He further added that the "flash of light or smoke" he saw was where the two men - in *front* of the fence were located. Nothing from *behind* the fence.
The men he saw, I would suggest, are two of three men seen in the Moorman photo. Again, he said he saw no one *behind* the fence.

(https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID10718481568/Keyo23p8vkkxb7r/Moorman%20Photo.jpg)

If you are going to quote someone, please post your source. Like I said, I believe Bowers is referring to the area OUTSIDE of the Picket Fence Corner.  During his WC Testimony he was asked about seeing anything in the high ground area. This would be between the Sidewalk and the Picket Fence. Bowers also said the 2 Men were standing IN-LINE with the Triple Underpass. Nobody could be IN-LINE with the Triple Underpass if they were inside the parking lot.  NONE of the men on The Steps was wearing anything close to a WHITE SHIRT. Kindly check out the Nix Film as advised. That Man is clearly wearing a White Shirt   
Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Royell Storing on November 09, 2023, 01:33:09 PM

  Lee Bowers and Skinny Holland both claimed to have witnessed a motorcycle cop roaring up the Knoll. This is not the only thing they have in common. They Both had HIGHLY ELEVATED VIEWS down into Dealey Plaza/Elm St. Both Bowers and Holland were looking DOWN into the bottom of a cereal bowl/Elm St. Eyewitnesses at ground level had restricted views of what went on. ALL of these ground level eyewitnesses  were focused on the very bottom of this cereal bowl AKA Elm St. Their vision was restricted much like peering through a spy glass. Bowers and Holland had the absolute best view that day. Without question. Downward and 360. 
Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Robert Reeves on November 10, 2023, 10:33:42 PM
Lee Bowers never told his parents what he saw and what he believed happened during the assassination. So afraid of the repercussions for his family - should they know what he saw.

Warren Commission interviews with Bower's parents revealed: they had no idea of his testimony. They believed he shielded them from the truth!
Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Anthony Dyle on December 21, 2023, 12:06:13 AM
  Lee Bowers and Skinny Holland both claimed to have witnessed a motorcycle cop roaring up the Knoll. This is not the only thing they have in common. They Both had HIGHLY ELEVATED VIEWS down into Dealey Plaza/Elm St. Both Bowers and Holland were looking DOWN into the bottom of a cereal bowl/Elm St. Eyewitnesses at ground level had restricted views of what went on. ALL of these ground level eyewitnesses  were focused on the very bottom of this cereal bowl AKA Elm St. Their vision was restricted much like peering through a spy glass. Bowers and Holland had the absolute best view that day. Without question. Downward and 360.

Bowers could not see Elm St or anything on it unless it was as high as the top part of a truck, not in the killzone he couldn't.  Up near Houston sure but once the motorcade went behind the pergola it was lost to him until it hit Stemmons. He could not see the men on the landing either, not even their heads.  No bikes and no cops, not until Haygood looked over the fence.  How he immeadiatly knew it was a bike cop just from his upper body we'll never know.  There's at least half a dozen things he claimed he could see which I know he could not but it makes no difference to his credibilty for me.  A bike cop on the embankment looking over that fence into his yard must have had a bike and he must have been in the motorcade.  What's he doing there?  Wait a minute...
Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Anthony Dyle on December 21, 2023, 12:59:42 AM

At 2:04+ from inside Bowers' Tower.  That's not Elm Street we're seeing.
Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Royell Storing on December 21, 2023, 03:22:04 AM

    In my opinion, with Bowers controlling the train flow leading into and atop the Triple Underpass, I believe that standard equipment inside his Railroad Tower probably included a pair of binoculars. It's gotta be a good 150-200 yards straight line to the middle/far end of the Triple Underpass. I do Not believe someone controlling train cars running atop that Underpass could/would do it with their naked eyes. Bowers was not asked about this by the WC Attorney. I believe that whatever Bowers detailed having seen, (including his descriptions of what was going on inside the 3 cars that cruised around his Railroad Tower), was at least partially aided by binoculars.
Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Anthony Dyle on January 26, 2024, 02:14:47 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/DzrRhCFq/oie-21155332-CGWPLdl.jpg)

This is either from Thompson's 1966 book(meaning it was probably shot in '65 or '66) or it's from the Bowers segment in 'JFK'.  I don't have the former to hand(maybe you do) but I can check the film later.
Regardless, I think you can see how someone might have been able to dissapear from Bowers' view but actually be on the north side of the fence, even if it was just to relieve himself.

Secondly, that's not Elm St we see on the left.  How do I know?  Because that's what I've read.  I thought it was at first and part of me still does but apparently the image is decieving me and that street is further away from the fence than it looks.  Honestly, I don't know for sure but I'd like to.
Title: Re: The Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
Post by: Royell Storing on January 29, 2024, 04:29:28 PM
                                                             2 very important FACTS to bear in mind:

(1) The entire E-W section of picket fence that parallels Elm St was MOVED Down toward Elm St after 11/22/63. The picket fence having been moved needs to be considered when examining picket fence images taken After 11/22/63. Looking at that E-W section of picket fence today, makes me conservatively estimate it has been moved 3 feet down/toward Elm St.
 
(2) On the Pergola side of the N-S section of picket fencing, there is a clear "pathway" that runs down the entire fence. This pathway is also very deeply shadowed. A person(s) could easily be standing within this deeply shadowed path and Not be captured on film, seen by Bowers, or viewed by anyone else on 11/22/63.