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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Sean Kneringer on December 27, 2023, 04:49:18 PM
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Article from 1979:
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Her confusion is understandable (she was ten) but her father's account here is, let's say, questionable. He testified to this (the building he is referring to is the TSBD):
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you actually observe the President when he was hit in head?
Mr. WILLIS. No, sir; I did not. I couldn't see that well, and I was more concerned about the shots coming from that building. The minute the third shot was fired, I screamed, hoping the policeman would hear me, to ring that building because it had to come from there. Being directly across the street from the building, made it much more clear to those standing there than the people who were on the side of the street where the building was.
Mr. LIEBELER. So you thought you had picked out a particular building at the time when you heard shots?
Mr. WILLIS. Absolutely.
Mr. LIEBELER. What building was that?
Mr. WILLIS. The Texas School Book Depository Building.
Mr. LIEBELER. You were pretty sure?
Mr. WILLIS. I felt certain. I even looked for smoke, and I knew it came from high up.
In the article he says he saw the president get hit in the head, that "it blew up like a halo. The brains and matter went to the left and rear." So he goes from not seeing the hit to seeing it hit and seeing the matter? It's another example for me (it's not a short list either) of how what these people read or heard affected, consciously or not, their memories. How else could Willis go from not seeing anything hitting JFK to this description? Repressed memory?
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/willis_p.htm
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Willis major contribution to proving a Conspiracy is his Willis 5. That pic shows: (1) The Black Dog Man, and (2) ONLY 2 MEN standing on The Steps. The JFK Limo is also coming down Elm St and POOF, somehow we suddenly get 3 guys standing on The Steps when the Kill Shot strikes. AND THEN, per the NIX FILM, immediately following the Kill Shot, we have a WHITE SHIRT MAN moving up The Steps and disappearing into dark shadow. Of course, NONE of the 3 guys that allegedly were standing on The Steps was wearing a WHITE SHIRT. These images conflict with each other.
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That pic shows: (1) The Black Dog Man, and (2) ONLY 2 MEN standing on The Steps.
It shows the same 3 men as seen in the other images :)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil1.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil2.jpg)
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It shows the same 3 men as seen in the other images :)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil1.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil2.jpg)
If you have a Willis 5 with better definition, please post it for this Forum to evaluate. The actual pic you have posted Only shows 2 MEN. The Ghosty drawing you have supplied is Proof of nothing. And remember that the Top of the head of the alleged Mr Hudson BRIGHTLY reflected the Sunlight. These 2 figures are standing amidst Full Sunlight. There is no trace of Reflected Sunlight anywhere close to head height around these 2 Men. Based on what I see on your posted Willis 5, there are only 2 MEN standing on The Steps.
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If you have a Willis 5 with better definition, please post it for this Forum to evaluate. The actual pic you have posted Only shows 2 MEN. The Ghosty drawing you have supplied is Proof of nothing. And remember that the Top of the head of the alleged Mr Hudson BRIGHTLY reflected the Sunlight. These 2 figures are standing amidst Full Sunlight. There is no trace of Reflected Sunlight anywhere close to head height around these 2 Men. Based on what we see on your posted Willis 5, there are only 2 MEN standing on The Steps.
I'm not going to get in to a discussion over this until you are able to supply an image to back up your claim.
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It shows the same 3 men as seen in the other images :)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil1.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil2.jpg)
Here's my image. It's Willis 5 which I referenced earlier in this thread. I see 2 MEN standing on The Steps. Duncan, it's your turn now. What do You actually see?
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Here's my image. This is Willis 5, which I referenced earlier on this thread. I see 2 MEN standing on The Steps. Your turn Duncan.
I win. :)
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I win. :)
It hurts being hoisted on your own petard doesn't it? But quitting? When facing The Truth, this does usually happen.
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It shows the same 3 men as seen in the other images :)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil1.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil2.jpg)
BUMP. Willis 5 showing 2 MEN standing on The Steps
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It shows the same 3 men as seen in the other images :)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil1.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil2.jpg)
BUMP. Willis 5 showing 3 MEN standing on The Steps :)
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BUMP. Willis 5 showing 3 MEN standing on The Steps :)
Are you Now joining Doug Horne and the other JFK Assassination Researchers that claim JFK Assassination Images have been Altered/Removed? The only way there is 3 Men standing on The Steps in Willis 5 is if Man #3 is currently on the Cutting Room Floor.
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It shows the same 3 men as seen in the other images :)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil1.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil2.jpg)
Hi Duncan, I think you're right about the smaller man in front of Hudson but it seems to me that Hudson's white hat is visible at the top.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBDkWN3L/willis-5.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hPKf8kkq/willis-5-bb.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/BZpP87Rw/muchmore-white-shirt.jpg)
JohnM
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(https://img92.pixhost.to/images/221/429032593_animatedclipfrommuchmorefilm.gif)
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This is the position you ALL are now in. Trying your darndest to manipulate these images in order to fit your narrative. This is the same Limbo Dance that has been conducted for 60 yrs with the SBT. Of course, Knott Lab Laser 360 SCIENCE has destroyed the SBT. STOP the Mumbo Jumbo, STOP the Alakazam, and simply look at Willis 5. There are 2 MEN standing on The Steps.
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This is the position you ALL are now in. Trying your darndest to manipulate these images in order to fit your narrative. This is the same Limbo Dance that has been conducted for 60 yrs with the SBT. Of course, Knott Lab Laser 360 SCIENCE has destroyed the SBT. STOP the Mumbo Jumbo, STOP the Alakazam, and simply look at Willis 5. There are 2 MEN standing on The Steps.
Are YOU missing something, up top? :)
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Hi Duncan, I think you're right about the smaller man in front of Hudson but it seems to me that Hudson's white hat is visible at the top.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBDkWN3L/willis-5.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hPKf8kkq/willis-5-bb.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/BZpP87Rw/muchmore-white-shirt.jpg)
JohnM
Of Course, John,
Easily Identifiable for those of us with a properly functioning Brain ;)
Also, Hudson Light colored Pants, Young man Dark colored Pants. Thumb1:
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Are YOU missing something, up top? :)
You continue proving my point. Instead of addressing the issue at hand/Willis 5, you now turn to ridicule in an attempt to transform this discussion into a food fight. Not gonna happen. I encourage this Forum to closely examine Willis 5 and ignore the clown show.
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You continue proving my point. Instead of addressing the issue at hand/Willis 5, you now turn to ridicule in an attempt to transform this discussion into a food fight. Not gonna happen. I encourage this Forum to closely examine Willis 5 and ignore the clown show.
There's nothing more for me to discuss regarding Willis Slide Number 5.
It shows 3 men on the Steps, Hudson being partially obscured by the young man.
This 3 men Willis fact can be cross referenced by viewing and comparing other images.
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There's nothing more for me to discuss regarding Willis Slide Number 5.
It shows 3 men on the Steps, Hudson being partially obscured by the young man.
This 3 men Willis fact can be cross referenced by viewing and comparing other images.
Your alleged "fact" claim is right in line with the claims that were also made regarding the SBT. That is, until Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE found the, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE". Just because you guys say something issa "Fact" does Not make it such. And you're now being Forced into Blurring the heck outta Willis 5 is testament to this. I urge the members of this Forum to Independently examine Willis 5. Please ignore the same Blurry Hocus Pocus that gave birth to "The Badge Man".
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You continue proving my point. Instead of addressing the issue at hand/Willis 5, you now turn to ridicule in an attempt to transform this discussion into a food fight. Not gonna happen. I encourage this Forum to closely examine Willis 5 and ignore the clown show.
Moorman's photo showing the three men on the steps was widely distributed on the very next day, so whatever your absurd reason for why you believe "they" altered Willis's photo to eliminate one of these men is beyond human comprehension and makes no sense at all.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8H7vsk2/Moorman-UPI-23-11-63.jpg)
The evidence of three men on the steps is truly overwhelming.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8ctzt3BZ/429032593-animatedclipfrommuchmorefilm.gif)
JohnM
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John - Not sure where you are getting my claiming the Willis 5 Photo was "altered". I never made that claim. We have an obvious Mystery here as these images do contradict each other. You are going the easy route and Assuming Willis 5 has been altered as it is the only image that shows 2 MEN on The Steps. Try to keep an open mind when pondering issues such as this.The validity of a piece of evidence is Not solely determined by quantity. Also, be sure and take the time to read through Testimony. I'll help you out here and direct you to Emmett Hudson's WC testimony regarding how many people he saw standing on The Steps. You can thank me later.
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John - Not sure where you are getting my claiming the Willis 5 Photo was "altered".
The only way there is 3 Men standing on The Steps in Willis 5 is if Man #3 is currently on the Cutting Room Floor.
You can't have it both ways, either you believe that Willis' photo was altered or Muchmore's film and Moorman's photo were altered?
Or the very much more sane approach is that nothing was altered and as Duncan and myself have repeatedly pointed out, that some of Hudson is being obscured by the younger man in front.
JohnM
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You can't have it both ways, either you believe that Willis' photo was altered or Muchmore's film and Moorman's photo were altered?
Or the very much more sane approach is that nothing was altered and as Duncan and myself have repeatedly pointed out, that some of Hudson is being obscured by the younger man in front.
JohnM
Take a look at Hudson's WC Testimony. Hudson NEVER mentions a 3rd person on The Steps. Only HUDSON and another MAN = 2 MEN on The Steps. The Willis 5 pic + Emmett Hudson's WC Testimony of 2 Men on The Steps contradict the images showing 3 Men in this same position. I think that Hudson is the only assassination eyewitness to ever Testify as to how many people were standing on The Steps as the JFK Limo came down Elm St. Hudson was standing right there, he should know. Hudson's WC Testimony + Willis 5 seriously calls into question other images showing 3 Men standing on The Steps. I've never seen a photograph of Hudson. Are we Certain which of the men pictured on The Steps is Hudson? If we are to believe Hudson is the Man wearing the light colored slacks, then Hudson had 1 Man at his elbow and another Man standing closely in front of him. There's no way Hudson could possibly miss seeing these other 2 Men.
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Take a look at Hudson's WC Testimony. Hudson NEVER mentions a 3rd person on The Steps. Only HUDSON and another MAN = 2 MEN on The Steps.
Please post the WC Testimony in which Hudson specifically says that there was only two men on the steps? Thanks in advance.
JohnM
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Please post the WC Testimony in which Hudson specifically says that there was only two men on the steps? Thanks in advance.
JohnM
Here we have another Old Guard JFK Researcher that simply will Not trouble himself with Eyewitness Testimony. In my opinion, this is why there are so many remaining questions surrounding the JFK Assassination 60 years later. There's NO excuse for it dating back, and no excuse for it Now.
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Here we have another Old Guard JFK Researcher that simply will Not trouble himself with Eyewitness Testimony. In my opinion, this is why there are so many remaining questions surrounding the JFK Assassination 60 years later. There's NO excuse for it dating back, and no excuse for it Now.
As an "Old Guard JFK Researcher" who has access to the Warren Commission Report and the entire 26 volumes of Warren Commission evidence, I have no need to play your juvenile games, now I will calmly repeat my initial question which you have unsuccessfully failed to avoid, "Please post the WC Testimony in which Hudson specifically says that there was only two men on the steps?"
JohnM
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As an "Old Guard JFK Researcher" who has access to the Warren Commission Report and the entire 26 volumes of Warren Commission evidence, I have no need to play your juvenile games, now I will calmly repeat my initial question which you have unsuccessfully failed to avoid, "Please post the WC Testimony in which Hudson specifically says that there was only two men on the steps?"
JohnM
JOHN - I have Willis 5 + the WC Testimony of Emmett Hudson corroborating 2 MEN on The Steps. You have distorted an assassination image beyond recognition and attached your own concocted story to it. This is where you guys currently reside after Knott Labs Laser SCIENCE declared that the, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE". Unabashed JFK assassination image distortion with uncorroborated and blatantly made-up stories attached. You "researchers" now have Zero Credibility. NONE!
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JOHN - I have Willis 5 + the WC Testimony of Emmett Hudson corroborating 2 MEN on The Steps. You have....
YAWN! I have Moorman's photo which was widely available the day after and Muchmore's corroborated 8mm film and you have testimony that doesn't say what you say it does and your amateur interpretation of a poorly analyzed photo. When you scrounge up some more evidence which is actually believable then get back to me. K?
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8H7vsk2/Moorman-UPI-23-11-63.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8ctzt3BZ/429032593-animatedclipfrommuchmorefilm.gif)
I rest my case!
JohnM
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Why are you omitting Willis 5? Gotta be because it shows ONLY 2 MEN on The Steps. Stop with your attempted Sham.
Why not get down to the brass tacks? How do we know that Emmett Hudson is the man wearing the light colored slacks? I've Never seen a photograph of Emmett Hudson. How about we verify the man wearing the light colored slacks is Emmett Hudson? Or maybe, that can Not be done?
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Why not get down to the brass tacks? How do we know that Emmett Hudson is the man wearing the light colored slacks?
Hudson's testimony is one of only two pieces of evidence that you think provides proof of two men on the steps and now with this sudden departure, you are solely left with one badly interpreted photograph! You just can't make up this level of incompetence, Hilarious!
JohnM
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Hudson's testimony is one of only two pieces of evidence that you think provides proof of two men on the steps and now with this sudden departure, you are solely left with one badly interpreted photograph! You just can't make up this level of incompetence, Hilarious!
JohnM
That's not an answer. Not even a good attempt at dodging what You Do Not Know. Just admit it and we can move on Gomer.
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That's not an answer. Not even a good attempt at dodging what You Do Not Know. Just admit it and we can move on Gomer.
You're a complete novice and totally unaware of the historical record, who wasn't even aware that Moorman's photo and Muchmore's film completely destroys your opinion, and now that you've thrown one of only two of your pieces of evidence under a bus, you are frantically back pedaling. OUCH!
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8H7vsk2/Moorman-UPI-23-11-63.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8ctzt3BZ/429032593-animatedclipfrommuchmorefilm.gif)
JohnM
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You're a complete novice and totally unaware of the historical record, who wasn't even aware that Moorman's photo and Muchmore's film completely destroys your opinion, and now that you've thrown one of only two of your pieces of evidence under a bus, you are frantically back pedaling. OUCH!
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8H7vsk2/Moorman-UPI-23-11-63.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8ctzt3BZ/429032593-animatedclipfrommuchmorefilm.gif)
JohnM
The discussion here has ALWAYS BEEN, why do other images show 3 MEN vs Willis 5 showing 2 MEN standing on The Steps? Where have You been Gomer? Oh yeah. On TILT!
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It shows the same 3 men as seen in the other images :)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil1.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Wil2.jpg)
BUMP. 2 MEN Standing on The Steps
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The discussion here has ALWAYS BEEN, why do other images show 3 MEN vs Willis 5 showing 2 MEN standing on The Steps? Where have You been Gomer? Oh yeah. On TILT!
Unless one of the men is "The Thing With Two Heads" then you might have something! Hilarious!
(https://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/images/4838c.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBDkWN3L/willis-5.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hPKf8kkq/willis-5-bb.png)
Btw I really am sorry to keep raining on your parade but you do keep coming out with some mighty whoppers, let's not forget your complete failure with the Lead Car Antenna! LOL!
JohnM