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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Steve M. Galbraith on January 22, 2025, 06:19:21 PM
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Robert Reynolds has researched the assassination records collection over the years and gives his thoughts on the last files that Trump said will be released. What will they have? What will we learn?
Nut graf: "More releases will certainly come, but what about prospects for revelations? There has been more than enough time to sift through and weigh the meaning of the increasingly elusive redactions in the collection, and as the fortune-telling 8 ball says, “Outlook not so good.” As he points out, these files have already been reviewed in their unredacted form. They are reportedly mostly the redacted names of agents, some sources (still alive), SS/tax returns, and some intelligence methods: but nothing connected to the assassination.
My guess, for what it's worth (near zero) is there will be embarrassing information about the CIA bribing foreign leaders - especially Mexican - and some other nasty business of corruption (blackmail? prostitutes?) but, as Reynolds says, nothing about the assassination. We'll see. One questionable point: Reynolds says that Oswald's tax returns, due to existing laws, are still being withheld? I was sure that Marina authorized/okayed their release a decade or so ago? Anyone know further?
Updated: Here are some of Oswald's tax returns/forms that were released by Marina (it's very slow loading): https://web.archive.org/web/20001208085400/http:/www.redacted.com/jfk_sub_tax_ix.htm
Link here: https://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2025/01/jfkarc.html
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Robert Reynolds has researched the assassination records collection over the years and gives his thoughts on the last files that Trump said will be released. What will they have? What will we learn?
Nut graf: "More releases will certainly come, but what about prospects for revelations? There has been more than enough time to sift through and weigh the meaning of the increasingly elusive redactions in the collection, and as the fortune-telling 8 ball says, “Outlook not so good.” As he pointed out, these files have already been reviewed in their unredacted form. They are reportedly mostly the redacted names of agents, some sources (still alive), SS/tax returns, and some methods but nothing connected to the assassination.
My guess, for what it's worth (near zero) is there will be embarrassing information about the CIA bribing foreign leaders - especially Mexican - and some other nasty business of corruption (blackmail? prostitutes?) but nothing about the assassination. We'll see. One questionable point: Reynolds says that Oswald's tax returns, due to existing laws, are still being withheld? I was sure that Marina authorized/okayed their release a decade or so ago? Anyone know further?
Updated: Here are some of Oswald's tax returns/forms that were released by Marina (it's very slow loading): https://web.archive.org/web/20001208085400/http:/www.redacted.com/jfk_sub_tax_ix.htm
Link here: https://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/2025/01/jfkarc.html
Whatever is released... it is most likely the most revealing and damning information to be released, since it is what Trump was told earlier not to release... The Secret Service, CIA, FBI and Dallas law enforcement will likely be implicated...
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Whatever is released... it is most likely the most revealing and damning information to be released, since it is what Trump was told earlier not to release... The Secret Service, CIA, FBI and Dallas law enforcement will likely be implicated...
So he said.
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Whatever is released... it is most likely the most revealing and damning information to be released, since it is what Trump was told earlier not to release... The Secret Service, CIA, FBI and Dallas law enforcement will likely be implicated...
These remaining files were, from what I've read, originally reviewed by the ARRB. Judge John Tunnheim, the chairman, said he's seen them and there's nothing about the assassination in them. Others who have seen them say the same thing. Nothing there.
They were later reviewed for release by the Clinton Administration, the Bush Administration, the Obama Administration, the Trump Administration, and the Biden Administration. If you think all of those people - the ARRB, the Judge, all of these Presidents and their people - have covered up for the murder of JFK, know that the files have information exposing the real perpetrators of the assassination, then, well, I'm not sure what evidence would persuade you that there wasn't a government conspiracy behind the assassination. Why would all of these presidents and people cover this up? Thirty and forty years later? For what benefit? They are protecting people long dead, people who essentially committed treason? Again, why?
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Kudos to President Trump for getting this done despite the obstruction of the establishment. The release of these files should be the final blow to those CTers who cling to them like a life raft to preserve hope in a JFK conspiracy. Even a lot of people who are not particularly interested in the JFK assassination and have no strong view for or against a conspiracy theory question why the files would not be released if there is nothing to hide. Full transparency will address those concerns.
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Kudos to President Trump for getting this done despite the obstruction of the establishment. The release of these files should be the final blow to those CTers who cling to them like a life raft to preserve hope in a JFK conspiracy. Even a lot of people who are not particularly interested in the JFK assassination and have no strong view for or against a conspiracy theory question why the files would not be released if there is nothing to hide. Full transparency will address those concerns.
Who needs a "life raft"? Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE has found the SBT, "IS IMPOSSIBLE". Like it or Not, SCIENCE has spoken.
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Kudos to President Trump for getting this done despite the obstruction of the establishment. The release of these files should be the final blow to those CTers who cling to them like a life raft to preserve hope in a JFK conspiracy. Even a lot of people who are not particularly interested in the JFK assassination and have no strong view for or against a conspiracy theory question why the files would not be released if there is nothing to hide. Full transparency will address those concerns.
Polls show that between 60% to 85% of the public over the decades believe in a conspiracy behind the assassination and reject the lone assassin explanation. It's been "the establishment" that has tried to tell them this didn't happen; it was one man with one rifle. The fact that we've been terribly served by the establishment (not as terribly as you think but that's another discussion) doesn't mean they are always wrong, must always be opposed. Sometimes they are right and the public wrong. As in this matter.
Second, you don't really think the conspiracy promoters will be dissuaded from their goofy ideas ("It was the CIA!" "No, it was the Pentagon!" "No, it was the Mob!" "No, it was anti-Castro Cubans!" "No, it was the Birchers!") with this release? When they are released and show nothing, what will the response be? Will it be any different than the one they gave with the previous releases? What is the usual response to conspiracy believers of any kind when the evidence contradicts their claims? Answer: "The lack of evidence is a conspiracy!"
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Polls show that between 60% to 85% of the public over the decades believe in a conspiracy behind the assassination and reject the lone assassin explanation. It's been "the establishment" that has tried to tell them this didn't happen; it was one man with one rifle. The fact that we've been terribly served by the establishment (not as terribly as you think but that's another discussion) doesn't mean they are always wrong, must always be opposed. Sometimes they are right and the public wrong. As in this matter.
Second, you don't really think the conspiracy promoters will be dissuaded from their goofy ideas ("It was the CIA!" "No, it was the Pentagon!" "No, it was the Mob!" "No, it was anti-Castro Cubans!" "No, it was the Birchers!") with this release? When they are released and show nothing, what will the response be? Will it be any different than the one they gave with the previous releases? What is the usual response to conspiracy believers of any kind when the evidence contradicts their claims? Answer: "The lack of evidence is a conspiracy!"
It's a bit apples and oranges. While the establishment has generally supported a lone gunman conclusion because that is what the evidence demonstrates, they have not always been transparent with the underlying information. The FBI, CIA, and many other governmental agencies are secretive by nature and see no advantage in being transparent. That's why these files have still not been released even after 60 years. It takes an outsider like Trump to say enough is enough. Will every hard-core kook conspiracy theorist change their mind when the files are released? Of course not. Many of these people are mentally ill and invested in a JFK conspiracy. It does move the needle, however, with the average person who gives any thought to the case. I've had random discussions with folks who mostly couldn't care less about the JFK assassination, and many ask why the files haven't been released if there is nothing to hide. It's a reasonable question. Now that is done.
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These remaining files were, from what I've read, originally reviewed by the ARRB. Judge John Tunnheim, the chairman, said he's seen them and there's nothing about the assassination in them.
Then why would they be categorized as JFK Assassination Records at all?
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Kudos to President Trump for getting this done despite the obstruction of the establishment.
Typical "Richard" to give the felon credit for something he hasn't even done. News flash: he's a pathological liar.
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Typical "Richard" to give the felon credit for something he hasn't even done. News flash: he's a pathological liar.
News flash: he's a pathological liar.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/23/politics/jfk-assassination-files-trump/index.html
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JohnM
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https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/23/politics/jfk-assassination-files-trump/index.html
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JohnM
Good one John! How long until we are taken down the contrarian rabbit hole? I'll get it started:
-How do we know that is the JFK executive order? It could be photo shopped. It could be another executive order. The counter possibilities are endless.
-"LOL" a lot of presidents have held pens. That doesn't prove anything.
-No files have been released (implying that they never will be but when they are released refuse to admit that you were a fool)
-It could be a Russian plot to undermine our confidence in the government. Prove that they haven't been altered.
A combination of Trump hatred and JFK CTer contrarian mentality to deny facts. They can't bring themselves to acknowledge that Trump has done something that they agree with and give him credit for it.
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The release of these files should be the final blow to those CTers who cling to them like a life raft to preserve hope in a JFK conspiracy.
A conspiracy doesn't have to be the vast "inside job". If two people were involved, four, seven,... that's a conspiracy.
You are forgetting that President Ford privately told President Giscard d'Estaing "It wasn't satisfactory. We reached a first conclusion: it was not an isolated crime, it was something organized. We were sure that it was organized. But we could not find out by whom. So there was an organization, which has not really been exposed, that hated, that detested or that feared President Kennedy, and that decided to get rid of him."".
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https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/23/politics/jfk-assassination-files-trump/index.html
(https://i.postimg.cc/JzzPgXh1/jfk-release-files.jpg)
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JohnM
Trump didn't sign it:
"Trump handed the pen used to sign the order to an aide and directed it to be given to Robert F Kennedy Jr."
Source:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/23/trump-jfk-assassination-classified-files
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Trump didn't sign it:
"Trump handed the pen used to sign the order to an aide and directed it to be given to Robert F Kennedy Jr."
Source:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/23/trump-jfk-assassination-classified-files
Trump didn't sign it:
What!!??
The article that you posted the link to states that Trump DID sign it. The video that John Mytton posted a link to SHOWS Trump signing it. The pen that Trump used to sign the executive order was given to RFK Jr as a memento. Personally, I think that was an excellent thing for Trump to do.
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Trump didn't sign it:
What!!??
The article that you posted the link to states that Trump DID sign it. The video that John Mytton posted a link to SHOWS Trump signing it. The pen that Trump used to sign the executive order was given to RFK Jr as a memento. Personally, I think that was an excellent thing for Trump to do.
There was a second penmen.
Thanks for the setup.
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TDS runs so deep that JFK's grandson is apparently criticizing the release of the files as a "political prop" implying that it is somehow a knock on JFK "who is not here to punch back." Punch back on what? I'm not sure what point he is trying to make but this appears to be a strained effort to show how much he hates Trump. We are going to need a lot more tin foil before Trump's term is over.
"Declassification is using JFK as a political prop, when he’s not here to punch back. There’s nothing heroic about it."
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There was a second penmen.
Thanks for the setup.
LOL, anytime!
I do wonder if the bullet that clipped his ear had a psychological effect on Trump such that this executive order became a higher priority and more important to him. I think that it probably would have affected me that way if I had been in his shoes.
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LOL, anytime!
I do wonder if the bullet that clipped his ear had a psychological effect on Trump such that this executive order became a higher priority and more important to him. I think that it probably would have affected me that way if I had been in his shoes.
It was pretty easy but I was first with it. Zero points on originality, a perfect 10 on timing.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/23/politics/jfk-assassination-files-trump/index.html
Typical dishonest "Mytton" posting a link to an article timestamped hours after I made that post.
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https://gregrparker.substack.com/p/before-we-get-too-excited (https://gregrparker.substack.com/p/before-we-get-too-excited)
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LOL, anytime!
I do wonder if the bullet that clipped his ear had a psychological effect on Trump such that this executive order became a higher priority and more important to him. I think that it probably would have affected me that way if I had been in his shoes.
RFK Jr. was an influence. I believe RFK is a CTer when it comes to these events. This is low hanging fruit to throw him a bone. Trump also has good cause to distrust "official" reports given his experience in politics.
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All signed... classified documents released to the public...
It won't be long when quite a few LN'rs will be sitting down to a multi-course meal made up of their own words!! IMO
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The article that you posted the link to states that Trump DID sign it.
My bad. I read it too fast!
There was a second penmen.
:D
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Good one John! How long until we are taken down the contrarian rabbit hole? I'll get it started:
-How do we know that is the JFK executive order? It could be photo shopped. It could be another executive order. The counter possibilities are endless.
-"LOL" a lot of presidents have held pens. That doesn't prove anything.
-No files have been released (implying that they never will be but when they are released refuse to admit that you were a fool)
-It could be a Russian plot to undermine our confidence in the government. Prove that they haven't been altered.
A combination of Trump hatred and JFK CTer contrarian mentality to deny facts. They can't bring themselves to acknowledge that Trump has done something that they agree with and give him credit for it.
Hi Richard, it was beyond obvious to the rest of the civilized World, that most Americans had an absolute gutful of Biden's government and I posted here just before the election that Trump would win in a landslide and as usual I was more than right. LOL!
Now we see the bizarre reactions from CT's like Icky and Hawthorn(who I have just seen eagerly jumped to the wrong conclusion) to having Trump's heroic signing of an Executive Order, which will finally unveil these highly anticipated documents. And I can hardly wait to see the initial wave of negative reactions when what is in these files will have zero evidence of anybody but a Lone Nut assassinating JFK, but I also fully expect to see the Kooky CT community not accept what is written and will instead double down on the Evil Government which is "clearly" hiding, altering or redacting the elusive smoking gun, and then further generations will have to endure decades or perhaps centuries of idiotic accusations. Yawn!
JohnM
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More on Oswald's tax returns/records. Marina authorized the release of the documents in 1993 but directed that they go to the conspiracy authors Ray and Mary La Fontaine. They were supposed to publish them to the public but apparently never did. Or did but didn't inform the public about them. It's not clear.
Anyway, all of his records except for 1957 when he was in the Marines have been released. The IRS says it cannot find his returns for that year. Note that in 1956, Oswald made $772.46 and filed a tax return on that. He paid $64.70. Here it is: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/lho56tax.gif
Scans of his returns:
https://jfklancer.maryferrell.org/docs.maps/taxrecords/Page_1.JPG
https://jfklancer.maryferrell.org/docs.maps/taxrecords/Page_2.JPG
https://jfklancer.maryferrell.org/docs.maps/taxrecords/Page_3.JPG
https://jfklancer.maryferrell.org/docs.maps/taxrecords/Page_4.JPG
https://jfklancer.maryferrell.org/docs.maps/taxrecords/Page_5.JPG
So, where is the income from being a CIA agent? Or FBI informant?
More here: http://redacted.com/jfk_sub_tax_ix.htm
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This is from the signed executive order dated January 23, 2025:
Sec. 2. Declassification and Disclosure. (a) Within 15 days of the date of this order, the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General shall, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs and the Counsel to the President, present a plan to the President for the full and complete release of records relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
It's about time!!
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Hi Richard, it was beyond obvious to the rest of the civilized World, that most Americans had an absolute gutful of Biden's government and I posted here just before the election that Trump would win in a landslide and as usual I was more than right. LOL!
Now we see the bizarre reactions from CT's like Icky and Hawthorn(who I have just seen eagerly jumped to the wrong conclusion) to having Trump's heroic signing of an Executive Order, which will finally unveil these highly anticipated documents. And I can hardly wait to see the initial wave of negative reactions when what is in these files will have zero evidence of anybody but a Lone Nut assassinating JFK, but I also fully expect to see the Kooky CT community not accept what is written and will instead double down on the Evil Government which is "clearly" hiding, altering or redacting the elusive smoking gun, and then further generations will have to endure decades or perhaps centuries of idiotic accusations. Yawn!
JohnM
President Ford privately told President Giscard d'Estaing:
"It wasn't satisfactory. We reached a first conclusion: it was not an isolated crime, it was something organized. We were sure that it was organized. But we could not find out by whom. So there was an organization, which has not really been exposed, that hated, that detested or that feared President Kennedy, and that decided to get rid of him."
https://www.20minutes.fr/societe/1253343-20131122-20131122-assassinat-kennedy-une-organisation-decide-debarrasser-lui-selon-vge
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Hi Richard, it was beyond obvious to the rest of the civilized World, that most Americans had an absolute gutful of Biden's government and I posted here just before the election that Trump would win in a landslide and as usual I was more than right. LOL!
49.8% of the vote is quite a "landslide". LOL. Typical "Mytton" hyperbole.
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Hi Richard, it was beyond obvious to the rest of the civilized World, that most Americans had an absolute gutful of Biden's government and I posted here just before the election that Trump would win in a landslide and as usual I was more than right. LOL!
Now we see the bizarre reactions from CT's like Icky and Hawthorn(who I have just seen eagerly jumped to the wrong conclusion) to having Trump's heroic signing of an Executive Order, which will finally unveil these highly anticipated documents. And I can hardly wait to see the initial wave of negative reactions when what is in these files will have zero evidence of anybody but a Lone Nut assassinating JFK, but I also fully expect to see the Kooky CT community not accept what is written and will instead double down on the Evil Government which is "clearly" hiding, altering or redacting the elusive smoking gun, and then further generations will have to endure decades or perhaps centuries of idiotic accusations. Yawn!
JohnM
All of which begs the question, WHY? Why were these files held back? Just my guess, but I believe that Trump read through these files back during his 1st term. I doubt there is a bombshell in them, what with Trump pushing their release while he is attempting to get his cabinet approved by the U.S. Senate. Those Senate clowns have proven they are incapable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. Trump drops a JFK Assassination bomb shell, and his cabinet nominees would suddenly be placed inside a large version of the Han Solo Carbonite Chamber. I do believe this same reason is why we are Not hearing anything about The Drones Situation. Trump is sitting on something there.
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All of which begs the question, WHY? Why were these files held back? Just my guess, but I believe that Trump read through these files back during his 1st term. I doubt there is a bombshell in them, what with Trump pushing their release while he is attempting to get his cabinet approved by the U.S. Senate. Those Senate clowns have proven they are incapable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. Trump drops a JFK Assassination bomb shell, and his cabinet nominees would suddenly be placed inside a large version of the Han Solo Carbonite Chamber. I do believe this same reason is why we are Not hearing anything about The Drones Situation. Trump is sitting on something there.
The why is pretty simple. The government intelligence agencies are secretive by nature. There are probably names and methods in some of these documents that they want to protect. They view it as having nothing to gain from releasing any information. It takes a strong, independent leader to say enough is enough. That rules out every president for the 40 years or so until Trump. The EO actually just says that they have to provide a "plan" for releasing them. My guess is that they will continue to stonewall unless Trump pushes the issue.
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49.8% of the vote is quite a "landslide". LOL. Typical "Mytton" hyperbole.
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
We're not living in the dark ages and your silly irrelevant Butt-hurt demonic spin won't change history!
The Electoral race was the first candidate to reach 270 and Trump absolutely smashed through with 312 and poor old Harris barely reached 226, so yes Trump won in a landslide, read it and weep!
(https://i.postimg.cc/rsDt5cK7/Trump-landslide2.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4NXKQzjX/USA-results-by-county.jpg)
JohnM
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Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
We're not living in the dark ages and your silly irrelevant Butt-hurt demonic spin won't change history!
The Electoral race was the first candidate to reach 270 and Trump absolutely smashed through with 312 and poor old Harris barely reached 226, so yes Trump won in a landslide, read it and weep!
(https://i.postimg.cc/rsDt5cK7/Trump-landslide2.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4NXKQzjX/USA-results-by-county.jpg)
JohnM
All the more remarkable given all the establishment forces working against Trump including the media, justice department, and political establishment including many Republicans. Kamala blew through over $1 billion and still lost biggly.
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President Ford privately told President Giscard d'Estaing:
"It wasn't satisfactory. We reached a first conclusion: it was not an isolated crime, it was something organized. We were sure that it was organized. But we could not find out by whom. So there was an organization, which has not really been exposed, that hated, that detested or that feared President Kennedy, and that decided to get rid of him."
https://www.20minutes.fr/societe/1253343-20131122-20131122-assassinat-kennedy-une-organisation-decide-debarrasser-lui-selon-vge
Hi Jim, I hope you are well.
But anyway, I find this piece of hearsay to be quite odd.
Is there any American evidence to support this claim from anyone?
Did President Ford say this to anyone in America, anyone?
How good was President Giscard d'Estaing's understanding of English or was there an interpreter?
Under what circumstances was this even bought up?
Was President Giscard d'Estaing a JFKA devotee?
President Ford says "We were sure..." which doesn't sound particularly convincing.
President Ford also says that they couldn't find who the exact organization was, that was behind the assassination, again not very convincing.
In 1999 Ex-President Ford made the following declaration that Ford believes that Oswald was the assassin and that the WC couldn't find any evidence of a conspiracy, which doesn't specifically refute his alleged interaction with Giscard but at the end of the day a gut instinct hunch goes nowhere and let's face it, the JFKA has since been investigated by hundreds or even thousands of keen researchers for perhaps millions of hours and still to this day not one investigator has found even a single shred of evidence of any conspiracy.
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JohnM
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All the more remarkable given all the establishment forces working against Trump including the media, justice department, and political establishment including many Republicans. Kamala blew through over $1 billion and still lost biggly.
Agreed, in my experience many people in general society rely solely on the media to form their opinions and Trump was absolutely unfairly pounded by virtually everyone in the media and for Trump to triumph against this massively biased deception makes his landslide victory even sweeter.
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JohnM
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Ford will always be known for Moving the JFK BACK Wound up to the base of his neck. The autopsy photo of that Back Wound makes it obvious that J. Edgar got Ford on the horn and ordered him to do that. Ford's reward was being named Nixon's VP and then walking into the Presidency when Nixon resigned. He was a horribly inept POTUS. He couldn't even beat Jimmy Carter who Reagan spanked big time.
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Agreed, in my experience many people in general society rely solely on the media to form their opinions and Trump was absolutely unfairly pounded by virtually everyone in the media and for Trump to triumph against this massively biased deception makes his landslide victory even sweeter.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/817Yl0jTBzL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg)
JohnM
That may be the greatest picture in American history. Hollywood could not have staged it. Shock and awe in week one.
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Ford will always be known for Moving the JFK BACK Wound up to the base of his neck. The autopsy photo of that Back Wound makes it obvious that J. Edgar got Ford on the horn and ordered him to do that. Ford's reward was being named Nixon's VP and then walking into the Presidency when Nixon resigned. He was a horribly inept POTUS. He couldn't even beat Jimmy Carter who Reagan spanked big time.
Not this again!
Ford never moved any wound, all Ford did was change some non medical description to a more medically precise location which more accurately reflected the Medical Experts who examined Kennedy and wrote the original Autopsy report.
Ford's Accurate Correction
(https://i.postimg.cc/bw7byvLJ/ford-neck.gif)
Original Autopsy Report
(https://i.postimg.cc/rmnwpncJ/jfk-autopsy-report-base-neck.jpg)
JohnM
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We're not living in the dark ages and your silly irrelevant Butt-hurt demonic spin won't change history!
Speaking of spin, there are as many people in your "blue" counties as there are in your "red" counties. Geography doesn't vote, people do.
And if this was an electoral college "landslide" to the Orange Cult, then so was 2020.
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All the more remarkable given all the establishment forces working against Trump including the media, justice department, and political establishment including many Republicans. Kamala blew through over $1 billion and still lost bigly.
Aided by 65 years (it started in 1959) of KGB*-encouraged cynicism and apathy instilled in our body politic (via, for example, the anti-government conspiracy theories that sprang, with the KGB*'s help, from the anomaly-replete assassination of JFK by a sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald), The Traitorous Orange Xxxx (rhymes with bird) known as Donald J. Trump won the 2024 popular vote by only 1.5 percent -- hardly the "mandate" that his zombified supporters claim.
*Today's SVR and FSB
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Aided by 65 years (it started in 1959) of KGB*-encouraged cynicism and apathy instilled in our body politic (via, for example, the anti-government conspiracy theories that sprang, with the KGB*'s help, from the anomaly-replete assassination of JFK by a sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald), The Traitorous Orange Xxxx (rhymes with bird) known as Donald J. Trump won the 2024 popular vote by only 1.5 percent -- hardly the "mandate" that his zombified supporters claim.
*Today's SVR and FSB
Here’s a better take on the recent election, by The Council on Foreign Relations:
“Trump won 77,284,118 votes, or 49.8 percent of the votes cast for president. That is the second highest vote total in U.S. history, trailing only the 81,284,666 votes that Joe Biden won in 2020. Trump won 3,059,799 more popular votes in 2024 than he won in 2020 and 14,299,293 more than he won in 2016.
He now holds the record for the most cumulative popular votes won by any presidential candidate in U.S. history, surpassing Barack Obama.”
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There will be nothing found as all contrarian evidence was shredded to make sure it was a LNer. Like the J6 committee, everything was scrubbed. They won't even find JFK's brain. If there was mercury involved in the bullet, no evidence will be found. If there is some documents left to view, they will still be heavily redacted and blacked out so that they would become meaningless. Like the airplane that hit the Pentagon and all its heavy hi-level surveillance, there is maybe 1 picture and none with an airplane that skimmed the ground and knocked off lamp poles on its way in! That is another story like bay of Tonkin and the USS Liberty as other prime examples.
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Clearly the only evidence that make sense is that everyone rushed the grassy knoll and they all were mistaken? The head's final throw was back into the seat - not caused by braking! A trajectory (frangible no doubt) and pieces of skull and brain were on the trunk and blown out of the back! 2 shots within 6 frames is not a bolt action sniper rifle firing twice from behind with the head going forward and then backward - impossible. As one reporter said "2 shots in quick succession"! I will believe that!
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There will be nothing found as all contrarian evidence was shredded to make sure it was a LNer. Like the J6 committee, everything was scrubbed. They won't even find JFK's brain. If there was mercury involved in the bullet, no evidence will be found. If there is some documents left to view, they will still be heavily redacted and blacked out so that they would become meaningless. Like the airplane that hit the Pentagon and all its heavy hi-level surveillance, there is maybe 1 picture and none with an airplane that skimmed the ground and knocked off lamp poles on its way in! That is another story like bay of Tonkin and the USS Liberty as other prime examples.
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Clearly the only evidence that make sense is that everyone rushed the grassy knoll and they all were mistaken? The head's final throw was back into the seat - not caused by braking! A trajectory (frangible no doubt) and pieces of skull and brain were on the trunk and blown out of the back! 2 shots within 6 frames is not a bolt action sniper rifle firing twice from behind with the head going forward and then backward - impossible. As one reporter said "2 shots in quick succession"! I will believe that!
You are very likely correct... sadly.
Yes... not caused by braking... no one else's head throw's back like JFK's...
The Grassy Knoll is rushed by the crowd, very likely because the fellow below sitting behind the bridge, and who possibly lied to the Warren Commission, made the fatal shot...
(https://i.ibb.co/nq0HFbCr/normal-Cancellarecrop.jpg)
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There will be nothing found as all contrarian evidence was shredded to make sure it was a LNer. Like the J6 committee, everything was scrubbed. They won't even find JFK's brain. If there was mercury involved in the bullet, no evidence will be found. If there is some documents left to view, they will still be heavily redacted and blacked out so that they would become meaningless. Like the airplane that hit the Pentagon and all its heavy hi-level surveillance, there is maybe 1 picture and none with an airplane that skimmed the ground and knocked off lamp poles on its way in! That is another story like bay of Tonkin and the USS Liberty as other prime examples.
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Clearly the only evidence that make sense is that everyone rushed the grassy knoll and they all were mistaken? The head's final throw was back into the seat - not caused by braking! A trajectory (frangible no doubt) and pieces of skull and brain were on the trunk and blown out of the back! 2 shots within 6 frames is not a bolt action sniper rifle firing twice from behind with the head going forward and then backward - impossible. As one reporter said "2 shots in quick succession"! I will believe that!
Excuse me but just one question: What kind/type of bullet carries enough force/mass that can throw a body back the way you think JFK's body was by that same bullet? This isn't the movies where bullets throw people back, toss them around like rag dolls. A bullet simply doesn't carry enough force to throw a body around. If they did then why wasn't JFK's body thrown forward when he was shot in the back?
Anyway, you can look this up yourself. Don't trust me. The ballistics experts say it's not possible. Bullets can't throw a body around like they are dolls.
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Hi Jim, I hope you are well.
But anyway, I find this piece of hearsay to be quite odd.
Is there any American evidence to support this claim from anyone?
Did President Ford say this to anyone in America, anyone?
How good was President Giscard d'Estaing's understanding of English or was there an interpreter?
Under what circumstances was this even bought up?
Was President Giscard d'Estaing a JFKA devotee?
President Ford says "We were sure..." which doesn't sound particularly convincing.
President Ford also says that they couldn't find who the exact organization was, that was behind the assassination, again not very convincing.
In 1999 Ex-President Ford made the following declaration that Ford believes that Oswald was the assassin and that the WC couldn't find any evidence of a conspiracy, which doesn't specifically refute his alleged interaction with Giscard but at the end of the day a gut instinct hunch goes nowhere and let's face it, the JFKA has since been investigated by hundreds or even thousands of keen researchers for perhaps millions of hours and still to this day not one investigator has found even a single shred of evidence of any conspiracy.
JohnM
I'm very well thank you John. I haven't been here for a while but the press activity about Trump ordering the release of files drew me back in.
President Giscard spoke fluent English. As I said, he was alone in the back of the limo with President Ford. I see no reason at all for Giscard to invent this. As you say, the fact that Ford said that no "evidence" had been found doesn't rule out the evident fact that they were sure that there had been a conspiracy.