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Title: Which is more likely: The KGB killed JFK, or Trump is a KGB agent?
Post by: Tom Graves on April 06, 2025, 10:29:03 AM
Which statement is more likely: "The KGB killed JFK," or "Donald Trump is a KGB agent"?

Given the fact that "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin was able to install Trump in 2017 and 2025, due, in part, to the conspiracy theories the KGB has been promulgating about the anomaly-replete assassination for sixty-plus years, I'd say the answer to the question is a no-brainer.   
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Jon Banks on April 06, 2025, 04:42:46 PM
Which statement is more paranoiac: "The JFK assassination was a conspiracy," or "Donald Trump is a KGB* agent"?

Given the fact that "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin was able to install Trump in 2017 and 2025, due, in part, to the conspiracy theories the KGB has been promulgating about the anomaly-replete assassination for sixty-plus years, I'd say the answer to the question is a no-brainer.   

*Today's SVR and FSB

If Trump is controlled by a foreign government, it appears to be Israel, not Russia.

He has surrounded himself with Israel-first neoconservatives and is on the cusp of taking us to war with Iran in Israel’s defense.
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Tom Graves on April 06, 2025, 07:27:48 PM
If Trump is controlled by a foreign government, it appears to be Israel, not Russia.

Why didn't he impose any tariffs on Russia?


Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Jon Banks on April 06, 2025, 10:48:10 PM
Why didn't he impose any tariffs on Russia?

North Korea was omitted too.

We don't do much trade with Russia or North Korea due to economic sanctions.

The whole "Trump is a manchurian candidate" theory is waaaaaaay more conspiratorial and more baseless than the speculation that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 06, 2025, 11:23:51 PM
If Trump is controlled by a foreign government, it appears to be Israel, not Russia.

He has surrounded himself with Israel-first neoconservatives and is on the cusp of taking us to war with Iran in Israel’s defense.

But I thought according to the leftists that Trump was a Nazi?  Now he is sympathetic and even controlled by Israel.  That doesn't sound like the Nazis that I remember from the history books.  I think Trump is merely acknowledging the reality that Hamas is a barbaric terrorist organization.  They are incapable of self-government.  Iran has promoted terrorism around the world.  They can't be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon.  That has been made clear to them.  Someone is going to have to take out their nuclear program.  Biden was too weak.  It shouldn't take a war to do that. 
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 06, 2025, 11:36:54 PM
Why didn't he impose any tariffs on Russia?

The entire world including the US has imposed sanctions on Russia for years now. 
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Tom Graves on April 06, 2025, 11:41:20 PM
North Korea was omitted too.

We don't do much trade with Russia or North Korea due to economic sanctions.

The whole "Trump is a manchurian candidate" theory is waaaaaaay more conspiratorial and more baseless than the speculation that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy.

I didn't allege that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate, Banks.

Why the hyperbole?

He's probably just an expendable "useful idiot" on steroids.
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Tom Graves on April 06, 2025, 11:42:24 PM
The entire world including the US has imposed sanctions on Russia for years now.

Poor, poor Russia.

If you were honest, you'd admit that the Traitorous Orange Bird wants Russia to defeat Ukraine and to continue reconstituting The Great Russian Empire unhindered.
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Jon Banks on April 06, 2025, 11:43:21 PM
But I thought according to the leftists that Trump was a Nazi?  Now he is sympathetic and even controlled by Israel. 

I can't speak for those people. I'm on the Left but have never bought into the "Trump-Putin" stuff nor have I ever called Trump a "nazi".

I think Trump is merely acknowledging the reality that Hamas is a barbaric terrorist organization.  They are incapable of self-government. 

Both things may be true but it doesn't justify Israel mass murdering civilians, not just in Gaza, but now Lebanon and Syria too.

Hamas has offered to hand over power to the Palestinian Authority fwiw. Netanyahu rejected their offer. Hamas offered to free all the hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire. Netanyahu rejected that offer too.

Israel just two weeks ago massacred 15 paramedics in Gaza. How is that Hamas' fault? There's video of the incident. It clearly shows that they were murdered in cold blood.

Trump supports Israel's far-Right government and has given them a free pass to commit war crimes and acts of terror with impunity.

Iran has promoted terrorism around the world. 

Both Saudi Arabia and Israel have killed more American citizens than Iran has.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar, both allies of the US, have funded Al Qaeda and ISIS. Both of those groups are enemies of Iran. The whole war on terror thing was a scam since Bush decided to hold Iraq, not Saudi Arabia (which assisted the 9/11 hijackers), accountable for the 9/11 attacks.

As for nukes, Tulsi Gabbard, Trump's DNI, says Iran isn't currently developing Nuclear weapons.

'Tulsi Gabbard Says Iran Not Believed to be Building a Nuclear Weapon'

https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-iran-nuclear-weapon-2051523
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Jon Banks on April 06, 2025, 11:47:20 PM
I didn't allege that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate, Banks.

Why the hyperbole?

He's probably just an expendable "useful idiot" on steroids.

He may be a 'useful idiot' for Israel and neoconservative Republicans but clearly not Putin.

If Trump aligned his foreign policies on BRICS, Iran, China, and Venezuela with Russia's policies, I might change my mind.

But in the big picture of Trump's policies, it's easy to dismiss the notion that 'he's working for Putin'.
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 06, 2025, 11:52:39 PM
I can't speak for those people. I'm on the Left but have never bought into the "Trump-Putin" stuff nor have I ever called Trump a "nazi".

Both things may be true but it doesn't justify Israel mass murdering civilians, not just in Gaza, but now Lebanon and Syria too.

Hamas has offered to hand over power to the Palestinian Authority fwiw. Netanyahu rejected their offer. Hamas offered to free all the hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire. Netanyahu rejected that offer too.

Israel just two weeks ago massacred 15 paramedics in Gaza. How is that Hamas' fault? There's video of the incident. It clearly shows that they were murdered in cold blood.

Trump supports Israel's far-Right government and has given them a free pass to commit war crimes and acts of terror with impunity.

Both Saudi Arabia and Israel have killed more American citizens than Iran has.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar, both allies of the US, have funded Al Qaeda and ISIS. Both of those groups are enemies of Iran. The whole war on terror thing was a scam since Bush decided to hold Iraq, not Saudi Arabia (which assisted the 9/11 hijackers), accountable for the 9/11 attacks.

As for nukes, Tulsi Gabbard, Trump's DNI, says Iran isn't currently developing Nuclear weapons.

'Tulsi Gabbard Says Iran Not Believed to be Building a Nuclear Weapon'

https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-iran-nuclear-weapon-2051523

When someone wages unprovoked genocidal war like Hamas has done with the support of Iran, one of the risks is that there will be retaliation.  That includes civilian casualties.  Particularly when Hamas hides among civilians.  The Allies in WWII bombed German and Japanese cities.  Hundreds of thousands of civilians died.  That was a consequence of the barbaric policies of their own governments.  There may very well have been "innocent" people among those killed but civilization cannot co-exist with barbarians.  Sometimes the consequences are unfortunate but necessary.  Half measures simply open future generations to risk.  No one suggested that anyone negotiate with Hitler.  The Nazis were forced into unconditional surrender.  Until they did that, the Allies continued to destroy their cities.  Hamas has to surrender, release the hostages, and another government needs to be installed before this can end.   Until them, everyone in Gaza remains at risk.   
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Jon Banks on April 06, 2025, 11:57:18 PM
When someone wages unprovoked genocidal war like Hamas has done with the support of Iran, one of the risks is that there will be retaliation.  That includes civilian casualties.  Particularly when Hamas hides among civilians.  The Allies in WWII bombed German and Japanese cities.  Hundreds of thousands of civilians died.  That was a consequence of the barbaric policies of their own governments.  There may very well have been "innocent" people among those killed but civilization cannot co-exist with barbarians.  Sometimes the consequences are unfortunate but necessary.  Half measures simply open future generations to risk.  No one suggested that anyone negotiate with Hitler.  The Nazis were forced into unconditional surrender.  Until they did that, the Allies continued to destroy their cities.  Hamas has to surrender, release the hostages, and another government needs to be installed before this can end.  Until them, everyone in Gaza remains at risk.

It will not end if Hamas surrenders. Netanyahu has made clear that he intends to follow through on Trump's idea of removing the Palestinians from Gaza. He has also rejected several offers from Hamas to free all the hostages.

Israel is giving the Palestinians the choices of death or expulsion.

How is that not genocidal? And why are you okay with our tax dollars supporting it?

'Israel approves controversial proposal to facilitate emigration of Palestinians from Gaza'

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/24/middleeast/israel-approves-proposal-to-facilitate-emigration-of-palestinians-from-gaza-intl/index.html


Trump ran on a platform of ending wars. So far, he's not ending any wars and he's close to getting us into another unnecessary war in the Middle East with Iran, Putin's ally.
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on April 07, 2025, 12:10:30 AM
He may be a 'useful idiot' for Israel and neoconservative Republicans but clearly not Putin.

If Trump aligned his foreign policies on BRICS, Iran, China, and Venezuela with Russia's policies, I might change my mind.

But in the big picture of Trump's policies, it's easy to dismiss the notion that 'he's working for Putin'.
I don't know where you get the idea that neconservatives support Trump or he suports them? Rubio? Or who? The neoconservatives I know of loathe Trump; they don't support him. Bill Kristol, Lynne and Dick Cheney, John Bolton...it's a long list. They endorsed Harris. What do the neconservatives say about his policies towards Russia and Ukraine and Europe? They are scathing in their criticism. It seems to me you are singling out Israeli policy and ignoring everything else.



Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on April 07, 2025, 12:13:21 AM
But I thought according to the leftists that Trump was a Nazi?  Now he is sympathetic and even controlled by Israel.  That doesn't sound like the Nazis that I remember from the history books.  I think Trump is merely acknowledging the reality that Hamas is a barbaric terrorist organization.  They are incapable of self-government.  Iran has promoted terrorism around the world.  They can't be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon.  That has been made clear to them.  Someone is going to have to take out their nuclear program.  Biden was too weak.  It shouldn't take a war to do that.
Touche. I do find it weird that those among the progressive Left that likes to call everyone a fascist are mostly (not all) silent when it comes to a real life fascist group like Hamas. You can criticize Israel's response to 10/7 but to march in the street in support of Hamas or not criticize those that do is indefensible. Hamas's ideology is something right out of the Wannsee Conference.
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Jon Banks on April 07, 2025, 12:17:22 AM
I don't know where you get the idea that neconservatives support Trump or he suports them? Rubio? Or who? The neoconservatives I know of loathe Trump; they don't support him. Bill Kristol, Lynne and Dick Cheney, John Bolton...it's a long list. They endorsed Harris. What do the neconservatives say about his policies towards Russia and Ukraine and Europe? They are scathing in their criticism.

The neoconservatives aren't united behind the Democrats. There are many still in the GOP.

Rubio is one. Mike Waltz, Lindsey Graham, and Tom Cotton are arch-neoconservatives too.

And even if they dislike Trump on other issues (ie Ukraine), they support his policies in the Middle East.

It seems to me you are singling out Israeli policy and ignoring everything else.

Because Trump has done more so far in his second term for Israel than any other nation.

I notice patterns and Trump's patterns of behavior so far in his second-term have all been to the benefit of his major campaign donors. Elon Musk gave him $250 million. Miriam Adelson, an Israeli billionaire, gave him $100 million.
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Jon Banks on April 07, 2025, 12:21:26 AM
Touche. I do find it weird that the progressive left that likes to call everyone a fascist are mostly (not all) silent when it comes to a real life fascist group like Hamas. You can criticize Israel's response to 10/7 but to march in the street in support of Hamas is indefensible. Their ideology is something right out of the Wannsee Conference.

^Typical Rightwing misinformation. No one is marching for Hamas. People are marching because they hate that we're sending billions of US tax dollars to a government led by a war criminal (the Hague indicted Netanyahu last year).

Nothing is more fascist in the US right now than disappearing foreign college students (who haven't broken any laws) over their criticisms of Israel. The First Amendment protects criticisms of a foreign government. Heck, even verbal support for Hamas is protected speech (but none of the students targeted have expressed verbal support for Hamas).

Criticism of Israel's crimes against humanity doesn't equate to support for Hamas.

I personally believe the Palestinians would be better off without Hamas and Israelis better off without Netanyahu.
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Tom Graves on April 07, 2025, 01:54:52 AM
Since you believer (sic) there was a conspiracy behind the assassination (Moscow did it) and also that Trump is a Russian agent (Moscow did it again) then I guess you need to add (c) Both of the above.

Wouldn't that be your answer?

Dear Steve M. Galbraith,

Perhaps the following will enlighten you:

1) Although the KGB officer at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, Ivan Obyedkov, who volunteered the Department-13 radioactive name "Kostikov" to Oswald or an Oswald impersonator over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63 was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent (i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited him), I don't necessarily believe Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

2) Although the *only* reason the CIA and the FBI believed Kostikov was Department 13 in the first place was because a Kremlin-loyal triple-agent, Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA at the FBI's NYC field office), had told the FBI a year earlier that Kostikov's charge at the UN, Igor Brykin, was Department 13, I don't necessarily believe Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

3) Although Silvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue at the Cuban Consulate described the "Oswald" they'd dealt in such a way that closely matched short, blond-haired, skinny, very thin-faced, 30-something KGB Colonel / "Third Secretary and Assistant Cultural Attache" Nikolai Leonov, I don't necessarily believe Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

4) Although a probable KGB "mole" in the CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) probably sent former Marine sharpshooter Oswald to Moscow in 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a mole-protecting planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" in the wrong part of the CIA, I don't necessarily believe Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

5) Although Oswald said he'd sliced both wrists but Boskin Hospital said just one, I don't necessarily believe he killed JFK for the KGB.

6) Although Oswald lived half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk for two-and-one-half years, I don't necessarily believe he killed JFK for the KGB.

7) Although KGB true defector Major Pyotr Deriabin (1954) said Marina had to be at least a low-level KGB informant and that Oswald may have been sent back to the U.S. to do something else and "gone rogue," I don't necessarily believe Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

8 ) Although Deriabin and KGB true defector Major Anatoliy Deriabin (December 1961) said that it was the policy of the KGB for the First Chief Directorate's Department 13 (assassinations and sabotage) to interview ALL military defectors -- yet-false-defector-in-'62-and-rogue-defector-in-'64 Yuri Nosenko, who claimed to have been Oswald's case officer, said nothing about it and neither did any of the "documents" that the Kremlin so graciously gave the U.S. after the assassination, I don't necessarily believe Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

9) Although CIA Counterintelligence analyst Clare Edward Petty determined by reading some VENONA decrypts in the early 1970s that George DeMohrenschildt was very probably a long-term KGB "illegal," I don't necessarily believe Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

10) Etc., Etc., Etc. (I could go on and on),

What I am sure of is that, as part of its 1959-on strategy of trying to get us to tear ourselves apart by waging Sun Tzu-like disinformation, "active measures," and strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies, the KGB* has made so much "hay" from the anomaly-replete JFKA over the past sixty-two years that the conspiracy theories it has promulgated about that tragic event (and the HIV/AIDs epidemic, The Crack Cocaine Explosion in "The Ghetto," "Vaccinations Cause Autism," The Moon Landings, 9/11, Hillary's Server, etc., etc., etc.), enabled "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin, with help from his professional IRA trolls, Paul Manafort, GRU officer Konstantin Kilimnik, Oleg Deripaska, Roger Stone, and Harley Schlanger (look him up), et al. ad nauseam, to install The Traitorous Orange Bird known as Donald J. Trump as our "President" in 2017 and 2025 . . . and now he's doing a bang-up job of destroying our country.

*Today's SVR and FSB

-- Tom
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Jon Banks on April 07, 2025, 02:33:46 AM
Dear Steven,

Although the KGB officer at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, Ivan Obyedkov, who volunteered the Department-13 radioactive name "Kostikov" to Oswald or an Oswald impersonator over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63 was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent (i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited him), and although the only reason the CIA and the FBI believed Kostikov was Department 13 on 11/23/63 was because a Kremlin-loyal triple-agent, Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA at the FBI's NYC field office), had told the FBI a year earlier that Kostikov's charge at the UN, Igor Brykin, was Department 13, and although Silvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue at the Cuban Consulate described the "Oswald" they'd dealt in such a way that closely matched KGB Colonel / "Second Secretary and Assistant Cultural Attache" Nikolai Leonov, and although a probable KGB "mole" in the CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) had probably sent Oswald to Moscow in 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a mole-protecting planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" in the wrong part of the CIA, and although Oswald said he'd sliced both wrists but Boskin Hospital said just one, and although Oswald lived half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk for two-and-one-half years, and although KGB true defector Major Pyotr Deriabin (1954) said Marina had to be at least a low-level KGB informant and that Oswald may have been sent back to the U.S. to do something else and "gone rogue," and although Deriabin and KGB true defector Major Anatoliy Deriabin said that it was the policy of the KGB for the First Chief Directorate's Department 13 (assassinations and sabotage) to interview ALL military defectors -- yet-false-defector-in-'62-and-rogue-defector-in-'64 Yuri Nosenko, who claimed to have been Oswald's case officer, said nothing about it (and neither did the "documents" that the Kremlin so graciously gave the U.S. after the assassination) -- and although CIA Counterintelligence analyst Clare Edward Petty determined by reading some VENONA decrypts in the early 1970s that George DeMohrenschildt was very probably a long-term KGB "illegal," etc, etc, (I could go on and on), it doesn't necessarily mean that I think self-described Marxist Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

What I am sure of, however, is that the KGB* has made so much "hay" from the anomaly-replete JFKA over the past sixty-two years (see above) that the conspiracy theories it promulgated about that tragic event (as well as the HIV/AIDs epidemic, The Crack Cocaine Explosion in "The Ghetto," The Moon Landings, 9/11, Hillary's Server, and [fill in the blank]) enabled Vladimir Putin, his IRA professional trolls, GRU officer Konstantin Kilimnik, Oleg Deripaska, and hordes of "useful idiots," et al., to install The Traitorous Orange Bird as our "President" in 2017 and 2025.

*Today's SVR and FSB

-- Tom

The Soviets made a big deal about racial discrimination in the US prior to the Civil Rights bills being passed in the 1960s.

Does that mean the US didn't legitimately have problems with racial discrimination?
Does that mean MLK Jr and everyone else who marched for Civil Rights in America were useful idiots for the KGB?

Who am I kidding? Given how Russian bots boosted social media posts about BLM and George Floyd, you probably believe Black Lives Matter was a KGB psy-op too.  :D

The fallacy in your logic is that there's some truth to some domestic problems that our adversaries choose to amplify.

The CIA absolutely has a history of involvement with drug trafficking and likely played a role in the Crack epidemic in the 1980s.

Hillary Clinton absolutely shouldn't have used her private email for State Department communications.

A plausible argument can be made that JFK was assassinated by a conspiracy involving people with connections to the US intel community.

Factual or true information can be used for Propaganda purposes. The term "Propaganda" doesn't always imply that the information is false...
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Tom Graves on April 07, 2025, 02:47:09 AM
The Soviets made a big deal about racial discrimination in the US prior to the Civil Rights bills being passed in the 1960s.

Does that mean the US didn't legitimately have problems with racial discrimination?
Does that mean MLK Jr and everyone else who marched for Civil Rights in America were useful idiots for the KGB?

The fallacy in your logic is that there's some truth to some domestic problems that our adversaries choose to amplify.

The CIA absolutely has a history of involvement with drug trafficking and likely played a role in the Crack epidemic in the 1980s.

Hillary Clinton absolutely shouldn't have used her private email for State Department communications.

A plausible argument can be made that JFK was assassinated by a conspiracy involving people with connections to the US intel community.

Factual or true information can be used for Propaganda purposes. The term "Propaganda" doesn't always imply that the information is false...

Dear Self-Described "Leftist," Banks,

Of course, your beloved KGB has strived to exacerbate our own weaknesses and divisions, e.g., Civil Rights and Drug Addiction, and especially since 1959 when it set up Department D in the First Chief Directorate -- today's SVR -- and Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate -- today's FSB.

You should start reading my 280-plus free-to-read articles at Substack under my banner, "How the KGB Zombified the CIA and the FBI," and actually learn something for a change.

I'm finished with you until you do, Left Bank, so rant-on if that's what really gets you off.

-- Tom

Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Jon Banks on April 07, 2025, 03:17:41 AM
Dear Self-Described "Leftist," Banks,

Of course, your beloved KGB has strived to exacerbate our own weaknesses and divisions, e.g., Civil Rights and Drug Addiction, and especially since 1959 when it set up Department D in the First Chief Directorate -- today's SVR -- and Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate -- today's FSB.

As I explained, I'm aware of that. But it doesn't mean the stuff they amplify is "completely false". Some of the examples you raised have some truth.

Regardless of Russia's attempts to amplify JFK conspiracy theories, none of that is why Americans who view the Zapruder film or learn that LHO was assassinated in police custody by mob-affiliated Jack Ruby, believe that there was a conspiracy.

You can't expect people "not to believe their lying eyes" even though what we see with our eyes isn't always reality or the truth. Most people trust their own intuition.

FYI, I find it plausible that LHO acted alone but I don't see how anyone can be 100% certain given all the weird stuff in the JFK assassination investigations.

I consider myself more than 50% (but not 100%) convinced that there was a conspiracy and it has zero to do with "Russian propaganda".


You should start reading my 280-plus free-to-read articles at Substack under my banner, "How the KGB Zombified the CIA and the FBI," and actually learn something for a change.

I'm finished with you until you do, Left Bank, so rant-on if that's what really gets you off.

-- Tom


^Wow. I got the Troll to make a Surrender post! We're done when I say we're done.   8)

And no, I'm not going to give your blog or Fred's clicks. If you want clicks, stop publishing BS...
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Tom Graves on April 07, 2025, 03:29:52 AM
Does that answer your question, Steve?
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Tom Graves on April 07, 2025, 04:43:56 AM
Dear Steve M. Galbraith,

Although  . . .

1) the KGB officer at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, Ivan Obyedkov, who volunteered the Department-13 radioactive name "Kostikov" to Oswald or an Oswald impersonator over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63 was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent (i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited him), and

2) although the *only* reason the CIA and the FBI believed Kostikov was Department 13 in the first place was because a Kremlin-loyal triple-agent, Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA at the FBI's NYC field office), had told the FBI a year earlier that Kostikov's charge at the UN, Igor Brykin, was Department 13, and

3) although Silvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue at the Cuban Consulate described the "Oswald" they'd dealt in such a way that closely matched KGB Colonel / "Third Secretary and Assistant Cultural Attache" Nikolai Leonov, and

4) although a probable KGB "mole" in the CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) had probably sent Oswald to Moscow in 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a mole-protecting planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" in the wrong part of the CIA, and

5) although Oswald said he'd sliced both wrists but Boskin Hospital said just one, and

6) although Oswald lived half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk for two-and-one-half years, and

7) although KGB true defector Major Pyotr Deriabin (1954) said Marina had to be at least a low-level KGB informant and that Oswald may have been sent back to the U.S. to do something else and "gone rogue," and

8 ) although Deriabin and KGB true defector Major Anatoliy Deriabin (December 1961) said that it was the policy of the KGB for the First Chief Directorate's Department 13 (assassinations and sabotage) to interview ALL military defectors -- yet-false-defector-in-'62-and-rogue-defector-in-'64 Yuri Nosenko, who claimed to have been Oswald's case officer, said nothing about it and neither did any of the "documents" that the Kremlin so graciously gave the U.S. after the assassination, and

9) although CIA Counterintelligence analyst Clare Edward Petty determined by reading some VENONA decrypts in the early 1970s that George DeMohrenschildt was very probably a long-term KGB "illegal,"

10) etc, etc, (I could go on and on),

it doesn't necessarily mean that I think self-described Marxist Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

What I am sure of, however, is that the KGB* has made so much "hay" from the anomaly-replete JFKA over the past sixty-two years (see above) that the conspiracy theories it promulgated about that tragic event (as well as the HIV/AIDs epidemic, The Crack Cocaine Explosion in "The Ghetto," The Moon Landings, 9/11, Hillary's Server, and [fill in the blank]) enabled Vladimir Putin, his IRA professional trolls, GRU officer Konstantin Kilimnik, Oleg Deripaska, et al., and hordes of "useful idiots" to install The Traitorous Orange Bird as our "President" in 2017 and 2025.

*Today's SVR and FSB

-- Tom
Title: Re: Which is More Paranoiac: "The JFKA was a Conspiracy," or "Trump is a KGB Agent"?
Post by: Tom Graves on April 10, 2025, 03:02:01 AM
Dear Steve M. Galbraith,

Although  . . .

1) the KGB officer at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, Ivan Obyedkov, who volunteered the Department-13 radioactive name "Kostikov" to Oswald or an Oswald impersonator over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63 was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent (i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited him), and

2) although the *only* reason the CIA and the FBI believed Kostikov was Department 13 in the first place was because a Kremlin-loyal triple-agent, Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA at the FBI's NYC field office), had told the FBI a year earlier that Kostikov's charge at the UN, Igor Brykin, was Department 13, and

3) although Silvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue at the Cuban Consulate described the "Oswald" they'd dealt in such a way that closely matched KGB Colonel / "Third Secretary and Assistant Cultural Attache" Nikolai Leonov, and

4) although a probable KGB "mole" in the CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) had probably sent Oswald to Moscow in 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a mole-protecting planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" in the wrong part of the CIA, and

5) although Oswald said he'd sliced both wrists but Boskin Hospital said just one, and

6) although Oswald lived half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk for two-and-one-half years, and

7) although KGB true defector Major Pyotr Deriabin (1954) said Marina had to be at least a low-level KGB informant and that Oswald may have been sent back to the U.S. to do something else and "gone rogue," and

8 ) although Deriabin and KGB true defector Major Anatoliy Deriabin (December 1961) said that it was the policy of the KGB for the First Chief Directorate's Department 13 (assassinations and sabotage) to interview ALL military defectors -- yet-false-defector-in-'62-and-rogue-defector-in-'64 Yuri Nosenko, who claimed to have been Oswald's case officer, said nothing about it and neither did any of the "documents" that the Kremlin so graciously gave the U.S. after the assassination, and

9) although CIA Counterintelligence analyst Clare Edward Petty determined by reading some VENONA decrypts in the early 1970s that George DeMohrenschildt was very probably a long-term KGB "illegal,"

10) etc, etc, (I could go on and on),

it doesn't necessarily mean that I think self-described Marxist Oswald killed JFK for the KGB.

What I am sure of, however, is that the KGB* has made so much "hay" from the anomaly-replete JFKA over the past sixty-two years (see above) that the conspiracy theories it promulgated about that tragic event (as well as the HIV/AIDs epidemic, The Crack Cocaine Explosion in "The Ghetto," The Moon Landings, 9/11, Hillary's Server, and [fill in the blank]) enabled Vladimir Putin, his IRA professional trolls, GRU officer Konstantin Kilimnik, Oleg Deripaska, et al., and hordes of "useful idiots" to install The Traitorous Orange Bird as our "President" in 2017 and 2025.

*Today's SVR and FSB

-- Tom

Still waiting for Steve M.'s reply . . .