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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Watson Phillips on April 11, 2025, 02:21:45 PM
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As the moniker of "conspiracy Theorists" is tossed around with such frequency , meanwhile back at the ranch the one piece of physical murder evidence that nobody can dispute was pierced by a bullet and was not placed in the grave was made to disappear.
Disappear based upon a fact that I defy anyone to deny ?
It was made to disappear because person or persons believed that they personally gained in making it go away .
For all those who like to throw around the term "Conspiracy Theorist" in a disparaging tone , the neutralizing of the single solitary piece of physical evidence of a murder that both did not go into the grave & was officially documented to be " Studied Further" from ever having eyes layed upon it again , void of any officially documented chain of custody whatsoever, is the very definition of unmasked conspiracy on multiple levels.
Where is JFK's brain? This mystery has puzzled America since 1966, when the 35th president's brain suddenly went missing from the National Archives.
Inside Kennedy’s Assassination And Autopsy
The saga of John F. Kennedy’s brain begins on the day he was killed. On Nov. 22, 1963, the president was assassinated while driving through Dallas, Texas. That night, an autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital in D.C. determined that the president had been shot twice from above and behind.
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As the moniker of "conspiracy Theorists" is tossed around with such frequency , meanwhile back at the ranch the one piece of physical murder evidence that nobody can dispute was pierced by a bullet and was not placed in the grave was made to disappear.
Disappear based upon a fact that I defy anyone to deny ?
It was made to disappear because person or persons believed that they personally gained in making it go away .
For all those who like to throw around the term "Conspiracy Theorist" in a disparaging tone , the neutralizing of the single solitary piece of physical evidence of a murder that both did not go into the grave & was officially documented to be " Studied Further" from ever having eyes layed upon it again , void of any officially documented chain of custody whatsoever, is the very definition of unmasked conspiracy on multiple levels.
Where is JFK's brain? This mystery has puzzled America since 1966, when the 35th president's brain suddenly went missing from the National Archives.
Inside Kennedy’s Assassination And Autopsy
The saga of John F. Kennedy’s brain begins on the day he was killed. On Nov. 22, 1963, the president was assassinated while driving through Dallas, Texas. That night, an autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital in D.C. determined that the president had been shot twice from above and behind.
It seems to me that you're starting with a conspiracy - concluded there was one - and then arguing backwards from there. That is finding evidence for your already determined outcome. And giving a sinister explanation for the evidence (or lack of it) while not considering innocent ones. That's not how we do things. This is an example of it.
As to the brain: It was removed and photographed (see John Stringer's testimony; he was the Navy corpsmen who took the photos). So why does it matter what happened to it afterwards? The evidence is that RFK was given JFK's brain and likely had it placed in JFK's casket when the burial site was renovated. Or destroyed. Nothing sinister in it at all.
Question: X-rays and photos taken during the autopsy are available. I'm not sure why the brain is needed to tell us what happened to JFK's head/skull? Why aren't the x-rays and photos sufficient?
As to your original claim: there are numerous examples of police/law enforcement destroying evidence in order to either frame an innocent person - or even a guilty one - or railroad the conviction. It doesn't mean *they* committed the crime. They are just framing a person or helping convict them. We have cases nearly every week where a conviction is overturned due to corruption by the prosecutor or police. Exculpatory evidence withheld, for example. Again, it didn't mean the prosecutor or police did the crime.
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The SS STOLE JFK's Body. The SS then STOLE the Crime Scene. They flew the JFK Limo 1/2 way across the country and then immediately quarantined it inside an FBI Crime Lab Garage. The very night of the assassination, the FBI took possession of ALL of the JFK Assassination Evidence that the Dallas Police Dept had collected. This included the alleged Murder Weapon/Carcano Rifle. J. Edgar Hoover sewed this case up tight in under 12 hours. Yet, the SS did absolutely Nothing to eliminate the active shooter(s) when the POTUS was under fire. "Not consistent" or "following orders"?
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If some witnesses to a hit-and-run car accident say the car that took off was black but films and photos of the accident and an examination of the car show that it was white, who should we believe? What color was the car? Black or white?
In the real world of course we conclude that it was white. Witnesses, as we know, can be wrong.
But in conspiracy world there's a 27 step explanation that says the car was black. The photos were faked. The films were faked. The examination of the car showing it was white was faked.
Because they simply can't believe it was really white.
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The evidence is that RFK was given JFK's brain and likely had it placed in JFK's casket when the burial site was renovated. Or destroyed. Nothing sinister in it at all.
Question: X-rays and photos taken during the autopsy are available. I'm not sure why the brain is needed to tell us what happened to JFK's head/skull? Why aren't the x-rays and photos sufficient?
What "evidence" is there that RFK was "given" the brain & what is the name of the legal official who made the determination that the evidence should disappear short of the "further examination" ordered by the coroner in a murder investigation was completed ?
Having not shown us your doctorate degree in forensics I am not surprised at all that you are completely " not sure" why the doctors who had eyes on the brain determined that " further study " was required .
Another fact that has escaped your attention is, if a doctor performing an autopsy in a murder investigation officially declares that "further study" is required on a piece of vital evidence, and that evidence is spirited away before the officially ordered investigation is completed, that is a criminal act of a secret and sinister nature .
The doctors also noted in their autopsy report that “The brain is preserved and removed for further study.”
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This NY Times article from 1972 indicates the names of the individuals who were apparently involved.
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/08/27/archives/mystery-cloaks-fate-of-brain-of-kennedy-mystery-surrounds-fate-of.html (https://www.nytimes.com/1972/08/27/archives/mystery-cloaks-fate-of-brain-of-kennedy-mystery-surrounds-fate-of.html)
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This NY Times article from 1972 indicates the names of the individuals who were apparently involved.
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/08/27/archives/mystery-cloaks-fate-of-brain-of-kennedy-mystery-surrounds-fate-of.html (https://www.nytimes.com/1972/08/27/archives/mystery-cloaks-fate-of-brain-of-kennedy-mystery-surrounds-fate-of.html)
"Mystery", "Apparently", "Supposedly", "Perhaps", "allegedly"
The only terms that can be applied to the secretly missing, bullet penetrated brain, of an Assassinated U.S. President under lock and key in the Fricking United States Archives of all places, under the same roof our constitution is located no less.
Spirited away in a coffee can size container that you cannot just shove in your hip pocket while nobody is looking.
Here is a fact , and not a supposed , maybe, perhaps, fact I can tell you about the National Archives, the day the Presidents brain left the National Archives , there was a person in charge who was fully accountable for it's leaving the building, and identifying who it left the building with , and for how long it was to be gone from the building. & for what purpose it was leaving the building ALL DOCUMENTED UNDER PENALTY OF FEDERAL LAW.
And knowing all these facts here is something else I know without even looking into it .
The National Archives employee that was accountable and was made fully aware the day that the President's brain left the building, was assured by the sneaking criminalistic conspiratorial thieves that the federal crime of it's undocumented theft would never be traced back to the day they were accountable for it's security and it disappeared , because nobody would ever know the day it was taken .
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The brain and other material from the autopsy - photos, tissue slides, et cetera - were reportedly placed in a locker and given to the National Archives under the custody/control of JFK's secretary Eveylyn Lincoln. Mrs. Lincoln later said she gave the material to RFK. RFK reportedly had the brain placed in JFK's grave.
If you insist on a conspiracy then what type of response will you accept? If you will dismiss any innocent explanation then why ask? It's a bad faith question, frankly.
Here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145280#relPageId=165&search=Evelyn_Lincoln
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If some witnesses to a hit-and-run car accident say the car that took off was black but films and photos of the accident and an examination of the car show that it was white, who should we believe? What color was the car? Black or white?
If all the witnesses say it was black, and the people who actually examined the crime scene didn’t say one way or the other, and then somebody with an agenda comes along later with a few out of context photos that they claim are of this accident, then yes you should be very skeptical about whether they are or not.
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RFK reportedly had the brain placed in JFK's grave.
“Reported” by whom?
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The brain and other material from the autopsy - photos, tissue slides, et cetera - were reportedly placed in a locker and given to the National Archives under the custody/control of JFK's secretary Eveylyn Lincoln. Mrs. Lincoln later said she gave the material to RFK. RFK reportedly had the brain placed in JFK's grave.
Here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145280#relPageId=165&search=Evelyn_Lincoln
No person but Mrs. Kennedy had legal authority to make a final determination as to her husband's remains.
Any secretive subversion of her sole legal authority in making a final determination as to her husband's remains would have been a criminal act by the secretive conspirators .
The criminal charges just keep piling up in this conspiracy to disappear his brain, absent of the coroners legal written directive that "further examination" take place .
Be that as it may, any item accepted under the roof of the National Archives , makes the National Archives fully responsible for the security of items within it's confines.
To include a fully and specifically documented chain of custody ( Dates, Times, Purposes) of coming and going,
That is unless you are alleging that Mrs. Lincoln also established a domicile for herself within the Archives to personally watch over the container 24/7 ?
So it all boils to down to the United States National Archives chain of custody Document mandated by federal law for each and every item under the roof of the Archives ?
A really simple matter to take all the mystery out of it ?
Have you seen that documentation for the president's brain coming and going at the National Archives ?
Why not do you think ?
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We have films, photos, x-rays that show the damage to JFK's head. You can either accept that physical evidence or reject it. If you reject it then I doubt that you would accept the brain evidence. If the brain was available and it showed damage to the top/side of the head and not the back/rear would you accept it? Or would you say the brain was switched?
It's more than 60 years after the event. The assassination has been investigated multiple times by multiple generations of people, both in the government and out of it. Again and again and again. If you want to dismiss all of this, all of these investigations as being corrupt you are free to do so. Did the news media cover this up too? Why? For what benefit?
If you believe that, that all of this has been covered up (by people who weren't even alive?) you sound awfully silly; but the 1st Amendment protects the right of people to express silly ideas.
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If some witnesses to a hit-and-run car accident say the car that took off was black but films and photos of the accident and an examination of the car show that it was white, who should we believe? What color was the car? Black or white?
In the real world of course we conclude that it was white. Witnesses, as we know, can be wrong.
But in conspiracy world there's a 27 step explanation that says the car was black. The photos were faked. The films were faked. The examination of the car showing it was white was faked.
Because they simply can't believe it was really white.
You either have a "Bad Memory, or a "Conveniently Bad Memory". Do I need to remind you what CBS "60 Minutes" just did with their interview of Presidential Candidate Harris? After CBS repeatedly denied they screwed around with the interview, they finally admitted to doctoring it. I'm Not gonna argue with you as to the intent, but CBS flat-out Altered that interview. You're kidding yourself if you think the manipulation of what we see and hear is Not ongoing.
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We have films, photos, x-rays that show the damage to JFK's head. You can either accept that physical evidence or reject it. If you reject it then I doubt that you would accept the brain evidence. If the brain was available and it showed damage to the top/side of the head and not the back/rear would you accept it? Or would you say the brain was switched?
It's more than 60 years later. The assassination has been investigated multiple times by multiple generations of people,
The legally directed forensic "further examination" of the brain has not "been investigated multiple times"
The brain vanished like a vapor before the Coroner's directive could take place.
That is a fact .
In fact at best the allegation is that the forensic evidence of the brain mandated by order of the coroner to undergo " Further Examination" was made to disappear while under government control under sneaky undocumented circumstances.
Disappearing brains always make me suspicious .
The doctors also noted in their autopsy report that “The brain is preserved and removed for further study.”
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Again: police sometimes destroy evidence of a murder not because they were the murderers but because they are framing someone. Sometimes the person is guilty; sometimes not. Simply destroying evidence doesn't mean they were involved in the crime.
If, as the evidence shows (to me), RFK took the brain and *hid* it (so to speak), does that mean RFK was a murderer or conspirator? Or does it mean he simply wanted to bury it with JFK or destroy it to prevent people from seeing it? Why can't the innocent explanation be acceptable?
This is a textbook example of conspiracy thinking. You always assume sinister designs behind an act and that's it. You won't look into whether there was a innocent explanation for what happened.
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Again: police sometimes destroy evidence of a murder not because they were the murderers but because they are framing someone. Sometimes the person is guilty; sometimes not. Simply destroying evidence doesn't mean they were involved in the crime.
Anyone destroying evidence in a murder that has been ordered by the Medical examiner to undergo "further examination" has committed a crime .
In this case a federal crime .
The very fact that the evidence was removed from the National Archives in sneaky like a snake , under the cover of darkness fashion , absent of any federally required chain of custody documentation is a federal crime as well.
Normal people in similar circumstances of a loved one being murdered violently and a certain body part is held for forensic exam/verification have no trouble walking in the front door , as opposed to sneaking in the back door, filling out the proper form for the release of their loved ones remains once the examination/verification has been completed
Thats how normal people who are not up no good do things. and there is not a thing wrong with that.
The presidents brain was not signed over to the only one with legal authority to receive it , Jackie .
It was not signed over at the National Archives to anyone in fact.
Reason being when they are committing a criminal act, criminals by nature do not sign their name to it .
Thats because they are up to no good.
Concealment, Removal, or Mutilation of Records
(18 U.S.C. § 2071)
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
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Anyone destroying evidence in a murder that has been ordered by the Medical examiner to undergo "further examination" has committed a crime.
In this case a federal crime .
The very fact that the evidence was removed from the National Archives is sneaky like a snake, under the cover of darkness fashion, absent of any federally required chain of custody documentation is a federal crime as well.
Normal people in similar circumstances of a loved one being murdered violently and a certain body part is held for forensic exam/verification have no trouble walking in the front door , as opposed to sneaking in the back door, filling out the proper form for the release of their loved ones remains once the examination/verification has been completed
Thats how normal people who are not up no good do things. and there is not a thing wrong with that.
The President's brain was not signed over to the only one with legal authority to receive it, Jackie.
It was not signed over at the National Archives to anyone in fact.
Reason being when they are committing a criminal act, criminals by nature do not sign their name to it .
Thats because they are up to no good.
Phillips,
How many evil, evil people do you figure were wittingly involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?
Just a few?
Oodles and gobs?
Somewhere in between?
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Phillips,
How many evil, evil people do you figure were wittingly involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?
Just a few?
Oodles and gobs?
Somewhere in between?
How many evil, evil people were involved in the cover-up of President Biden suffering from escalating Dementia? This "stuff" is still going on and dates back to at least FDR and the cover-up of his being confined to a wheel chair.
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Phillips,
How many evil, evil people do you figure were wittingly involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?
Just a few?
Oodles and gobs?
Somewhere in between?
My best guess for the wittingly involved there was one no good sneak walking away from the National Archives with the presidents brain without any documented authorization to do so, assisted by one other employed at the National Archives.
Now that I think more about it however , the object being to just to get rid of the thing, I would not be surprised if it never left the building thru a door , but rather down the toilet
Much less chance of being discovered that way, and the whole process could be taken care of by a single person on the inside who knew the opportune time and place within the building to take care of it .
Most likely on a federal holiday when the building was closed & only minimal staff was working.
Fewer loose ends & the people involved not being the sentimental types.
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My best guess for the wittingly involved there was one no good sneak walking away from the National Archives with the presidents brain without any documented authorization to do so, assisted by one other employed at the National Archives.
Now that I think more about it however, the object being to just to get rid of the thing, I would not be surprised if it never left the building thru a door , but rather down the toilet
Much less chance of being discovered that way, and the whole process could be taken care of by a single person on the inside who knew the opportune time and place within the building to take care of it .
Most likely on a federal holiday when the building was closed & only minimal staff was working.
Fewer loose ends & the people involved not being the sentimental types.
I'm referring to the whole JFK assassination, in which so many evil, evil bad guys and really, really bad gals were SO OBVIOUSLY wittingly involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and/or the all-important cover up.
(LOL)
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How many evil, evil people were involved in the cover-up of President Biden suffering from escalating Dementia? This "stuff" is still going on and dates back to at least FDR and the cover-up of his being confined to a wheelchair.
Storing,
Even if true, would your "perps," if caught and convicted, face Capital Punishment like conspirators in the assassination of a President?
Regardless, instead of obsessing on Joe Biden's alleged "dementia," how about focusing on The Traitorous Orange Bird's (rhymes with Xxxx's) "flooding the zone" with lies during the debate?
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Storing,
Even if true, would your "perps," if caught and convicted, face Capital Punishment like conspirators in the assassination of a President?
Regardless, instead of obsessing on Joe Biden's alleged "dementia," how about focusing on The Traitorous Orange Bird's (rhymes with Xxxx's) "flooding the zone" with lies during the debate?
China is involved. You do know this? And you're concerned with alleged "lies"? You got it bad. Real bad! How about taking a cue from Maher and Gov Whitman and being objective?
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China is involved. You do know this? And you're concerned with alleged "lies"? You got it bad. Real bad! How about taking a cue from Maher and Gov Whitman and being objective?
Storing,
You asked about Joe Biden's alleged "dementia," and you suggested that his aides' allegedly "hiding it" was as serious as the evil, evil, evil CIA's or [fill in the blank] conspiring to kill JFK.
If true, should the former be executed like the conspirators who killed . . . say . . . Abraham Lincoln?
Regardless, I assume you're referring to Biden's "obvious dementia" during the debate when he had taken medicine for a cold and The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx) was bombarding him with outrageous lies.
Maher?
The comedian Bill Maher?
Did he offer his Yuk Yuk professional opinion?
(LOL!)
Governor WHITMAN?
Please freshen my memory -- which state is she governor of?
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I'm referring to the whole JFK assassination, in which so many evil, evil bad guys and really, really bad gals were SO OBVIOUSLY wittingly involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and/or the all-important cover up.
(LOL)
Well here is one supposedly in your way of thinking really evil and bad gal conspiracy theorist who photographed the dead president at Bethesda , and when shown what had been officially submitted in the WC not only refused to authenticate, but claimed they had also been processed on film other than the standard Kodak they had used .
Seems the issue once again is really , really dumb conspirators more than anything else.
When Gunn showed her the official photos from the National Archives during her deposition in 1997, she said they were not the pictures she remembered processing.
Spencer, who died about a year ago, was in her 20s when she worked in Washington, D.C., at the Navy's central photo lab. At that time, the lab processed all official White House photographs.
For questioning, she brought with her some pictures she had printed just a few days before Kennedy was murdered. She explained that the lab bought huge quantities of photographic paper, so the markings on the back of the prints she brought would certainly match the autopsy photos she processed. But they didn't, suggesting they were printed at a different time or a different place.
What's more, the official pictures weren't anything like the ones she remembered.
"The prints that we printed did not have the massive head damages that is visible here," she told Gunn. "... The face, the eyes were closed and the face, the mouth was closed, and it was more of a rest position than these show."
The National Archives' photos seemed to be taken in a bright, medical setting. The body was bloody. Spencer said the pictures she had processed seemed to be taken in a darkened room with a flash. She called them "pristine." "There was no blood or opening cavities ... or anything of that nature. It was quite reverent in how they handled it," she said.