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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Lance Payette on April 17, 2025, 03:31:23 AM
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I made this suggestion on the Ed Forum years ago and always thought it was kind of clever on my part.
As you know, Earlene Roberts reported that a police car pulled up in front of the rooming house on Beckley and tooted its horn while Oswald was in his room on 11-22. Highly suspicious, eh?
It occurred to me, "What pulls up in front of a house and toots its horn?" A taxi, no?
The rooming house on Beckley had 22 rooms. Not your average house. More like an apartment building.
Roberts told the WC she "couldn't see too good to read" and was "completely blind" in her right eye. Hmmm.
What did Dallas taxis look like, I wondered?
Well, here's one. Think it might have been mistaken for a police car?
One of the Ed Forum regulars ridiculed me for cherry-picking a police car that fit my needs. I pointed out that this is a photo of THE ACTUAL CAB in which WHALEY TRANSPORTED OSWALD!
Note the prominent number on the side, although Roberts said 170 and I don't know if Checker had a 170.
It may all add up to nothing - not a thoroughly Busted Factoid, I'll admit - but I find the Taxi Explanation at least as plausible as the Highly Suspicious Tooting Police Car Explanation. (You can - and should - buy a nifty model of the Whaley taxi here: https://livecarmodel.com/products/1963-checker-taxi-black-with-cream-top-checker-cab-dallas-texas-hobby-exclusive-1-64-diecast-model-car-by-greenlight.html.)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/06/07/automobiles/wheels-Oswald-Cab/wheels-Oswald-Cab-blogSpan.jpg)
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I made this suggestion on the Ed Forum years ago and always thought it was kind of clever on my part.
As you know, Earlene Roberts reported that a police car pulled up in front of the rooming house on Beckley and tooted its horn while Oswald was in his room on 11-22. Highly suspicious, eh?
It occurred to me, "What pulls up in front of a house and toots its horn?" A taxi, no?
The rooming house on Beckley had 22 rooms. Not your average house. More like an apartment building.
Roberts told the WC she "couldn't see too good to read" and was "completely blind" in her right eye. Hmmm.
What did Dallas taxis look like, I wondered?
Well, here's one. Think it might have been mistaken for a police car?
One of the Ed Forum regulars ridiculed me for cherry-picking a police car that fit my needs. I pointed out that this is a photo of THE ACTUAL CAB in which WHALEY TRANSPORTED OSWALD!
Note the prominent number on the side, although Roberts said 170 and I don't know if Checker had a 170.
It may all add up to nothing - not a thoroughly Busted Factoid, I'll admit - but I find the Taxi Explanation at least as plausible as the Highly Suspicious Tooting Police Car Explanation. (You can - and should - buy a nifty model of the Whaley taxi here: https://livecarmodel.com/products/1963-checker-taxi-black-with-cream-top-checker-cab-dallas-texas-hobby-exclusive-1-64-diecast-model-car-by-greenlight.html.)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/06/07/automobiles/wheels-Oswald-Cab/wheels-Oswald-Cab-blogSpan.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fv5tHn7/Whaley-cab-vs-Tippit-Police-car.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/x8VQYVG2/Whaley-s-cab.gif)
JohnM
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(https://i.postimg.cc/9fv5tHn7/Whaley-cab-vs-Tippit-Police-car.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/x8VQYVG2/Whaley-s-cab.gif)
JohnM
Remember, to be Earlene you have to close one eye completely, put Vaseline over the lens of your glasses for the other eye, and squint through the window blinds while sitting in a recliner watching TV!
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For those who wish to continue to rely on Aunt Earlene, it should perhaps be noted that she originally gave the car number as 207 and later changed to 106. She told the WC she "didn't pay much attention" and "didn't know where she got that" 270 or 106.
Tippit's car was 10.
Hmmm.
You know, of course, that Aunt Earlene died of a "heart attack" (oh, sure) at Parkland in 1966. She was apparently so low on the list of Those Who Must Be Eliminated that it took "them" a couple of years to get to her.
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For what it’s worth, Aynesworth interviewed Earlene Roberts on 11/22/63. Aynesworth writes that Roberts didn’t mention any police car at that time (among other things).
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One more plug for my theory.
Think about it: If it were important to some CT theory that Aunt Earlene actually saw a taxi rather than a police car, my theory would be one of the more rational, coherent, evidence-based Conspiracy Factoids around! It would have been elevated to Conspiracy Gospel long ago!
It makes so much sense that I hereby designate it an LN Factoid and an article of faith of LN Gospel.
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I made this suggestion on the Ed Forum years ago and always thought it was kind of clever on my part.
As you know, Earlene Roberts reported that a police car pulled up in front of the rooming house on Beckley and tooted its horn while Oswald was in his room on 11-22. Highly suspicious, eh?
It occurred to me, "What pulls up in front of a house and toots its horn?" A taxi, no?
The rooming house on Beckley had 22 rooms. Not your average house. More like an apartment building.
Roberts told the WC she "couldn't see too good to read" and was "completely blind" in her right eye. Hmmm.
What did Dallas taxis look like, I wondered?
Well, here's one. Think it might have been mistaken for a police car?
One of the Ed Forum regulars ridiculed me for cherry-picking a police car that fit my needs. I pointed out that this is a photo of THE ACTUAL CAB in which WHALEY TRANSPORTED OSWALD!
Note the prominent number on the side, although Roberts said 170 and I don't know if Checker had a 170.
It may all add up to nothing - not a thoroughly Busted Factoid, I'll admit - but I find the Taxi Explanation at least as plausible as the Highly Suspicious Tooting Police Car Explanation. (You can - and should - buy a nifty model of the Whaley taxi here: https://livecarmodel.com/products/1963-checker-taxi-black-with-cream-top-checker-cab-dallas-texas-hobby-exclusive-1-64-diecast-model-car-by-greenlight.html.)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/06/07/automobiles/wheels-Oswald-Cab/wheels-Oswald-Cab-blogSpan.jpg)
Your "conspiracy Theory" is more concocted than "Clever"
Survey says your slippery theory is a bust according to Mrs Roberts testimony , which you have completely misrepresented , either in deliberate dishonesty or ignorance , one .
Your purposedly left out omissions include the fact that Mrs. Roberts testified that she actually worked for & was on a friendly basis with a police officer and his wife , and it was not uncommon for him to stop by the rooming house to relay messages from his wife. back and forth
Not only was She was very familiar with make and model of the patrol cars used , she was very familiar with her friends particular number of his car, and at first glance thought it was his car ( 170) but soon saw that it was not his car.
the police car that I knew and had worked for so, I forgot about it. I seen
it at the time, but I don’t remember now what it was.
Mr. BALL. Did you report the number of the car to anyone?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I think I did-I’m not sure, because I-at that particular
time I remembered it.
Mr. BALL. You remembered the number of the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I think it was-106 it seems to me like it was 106, but I do
know what theirs was-it was 170 and it wasn’t their car.
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Mr. BALL. It was not 170?
Mrs. ROBERTS. The people I worked for n-as 170.
Mr. BALL. Did you report that number to anyone, did you report this incident
to anyone?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, I told the FBI and the Secret Service both when they was
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Your "conspiracy Theory" is more concocted than "Clever"
Survey says your slippery theory is a bust according to Mrs Roberts testimony , which you have completely misrepresented , either in deliberate dishonesty or ignorance , one .
Your purposedly left out omissions include the fact that Mrs. Roberts testified that she actually worked for & was on a friendly basis with a police officer and his wife , and it was not uncommon for him to stop by the rooming house to relay messages from his wife. back and forth
Not only was She was very familiar with make and model of the patrol cars used , she was very familiar with her friends particular number of his car, and at first glance thought it was his car ( 170) but soon saw that it was not his car.
the police car that I knew and had worked for so, I forgot about it. I seen
it at the time, but I don’t remember now what it was.
Mr. BALL. Did you report the number of the car to anyone?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I think I did-I’m not sure, because I-at that particular
time I remembered it.
Mr. BALL. You remembered the number of the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I think it was-106 it seems to me like it was 106, but I do
know what theirs was-it was 170 and it wasn’t their car.
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Mr. BALL. It was not 170?
Mrs. ROBERTS. The people I worked for n-as 170.
Mr. BALL. Did you report that number to anyone, did you report this incident
to anyone?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, I told the FBI and the Secret Service both when they was
It's my factoid, bub, and I can pick and choose as I damn well please. The fact is, Aunt Earlene had poor eyesight, said she didn't pay much attention, and gave two different numbers for the "police" car. The fact is, taxis pull up in front of buildings and toot their horns. The fact is, if it wasn't her friends' police car, and it certainly wasn't Tippit's #10 because she gave three digits both times, then what the hell police car was it? By a process of rational elimination, it was - that's right - Checker cab #142, picking up good old Fred Bigelow who came out of a side entrance and hopped in. Alternatively, Aunt Earlene was fundamentally nuts, which is another distinct possibility.
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It's my factoid, bub, and I can pick and choose as I damn well please.
Obviously !
Concocting your own factoids is as slippery as it gets .
For me I'll stick to the actual testimony
the police car that I knew and had worked for so, I forgot about it. I seen
it at the time, but I don’t remember now what it was.
Mr. BALL. Did you report the number of the car to anyone?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I think I did-I’m not sure, because I-at that particular
time I remembered it.
Mr. BALL. You remembered the number of the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I think it was-106 it seems to me like it was 106, but I do
know what theirs was-it was 170 and it wasn’t their car.
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Mr. BALL. It was not 170?
Mrs. ROBERTS. The people I worked for n-as 170.
Mr. BALL. Did you report that number to anyone, did you report this incident
to anyone?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, I told the FBI and the Secret Service both when they was
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Obviously !
Concocting your own factoids is as slippery as it gets .
It is, isn't it? How many of your fellow CTers agree with your sentiments? One person's factoid is another's gospel, I suppose.
For me I'll stick to the actual testimony
the police car that I knew and had worked for so, I forgot about it. I seen
it at the time, but I don’t remember now what it was.
Mr. BALL. Did you report the number of the car to anyone?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I think I did-I’m not sure, because I-at that particular
time I remembered it.
Mr. BALL. You remembered the number of the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I think it was-106 it seems to me like it was 106, but I do
know what theirs was-it was 170 and it wasn’t their car.
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Mr. BALL. It was not 170?
Mrs. ROBERTS. The people I worked for n-as 170.
Mr. BALL. Did you report that number to anyone, did you report this incident
to anyone?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, I told the FBI and the Secret Service both when they was
Yes, but at the time of the JFKA she said the number was 207: https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339485/m1/1/.
I don't insist my Taxi Factoid is true. I merely say it provides a plausible alternative explanation for what doddering Aunt Earlene says she saw, one that raises none of the questions her story does.
If there were no other known Dallas police cars in the vicinity, Tippit's car was #10, Dallas patrol cars had only one officer, and a three-digit Dallas police car with two officers pulled up in front of the rooming house, tooted its horn and departed (just like a taxi might have done!) - well, what sense does that make? how likely is that? what would be even a plausible conspiratorial explanation?
"They" were alerting Oswald by their toot that ... well, what, that Tippit was waiting him? That the coast was clear? Not to forget his .38? What were they doing? And why did "they" need two officers in a police car to do it? Far more plausible to me is that Earlene was simply confused by a taxi or more than slightly "off."
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Alternatively, Aunt Earlene was fundamentally nuts, which is another distinct possibility.
Mr. BALL. Has she been working for you for that period of time?
Mrs. JOHNSON. No, sir; I let Mrs. Roberts go a time or two, then I would hire her back.
Mr. BALL. there some reason why you let her go?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Well, she would just get to being disagreeable with renters and I don't know, she has a lot of handicaps. She has an overweight problem and she has some habits that some people have to understand to tolerate.
Mr. BALL. What are they?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Talking just sitting down and making up tales, you know, have you ever seen people like that? Just have a creative mind, there's nothing to it, and just make up and keep talking until she just makes a lie out of it. Listen, I'm telling you the truth and this isn't to go any further, understand that? You have to know these things because you are going to question this lady. I will tell you, she's just as intelligent--I think she is a person that doesn't mean to do that but she just does it automatically. It seems as though that she, oh, I don't know, wants to be attractive or something at times. I just don't know; I don't understand it myself. I only wish I did.
JohnM
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Mr. BALL. Has she been working for you for that period of time?
Mrs. JOHNSON. No, sir; I let Mrs. Roberts go a time or two, then I would hire her back.
Mr. BALL. there some reason why you let her go?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Well, she would just get to being disagreeable with renters and I don't know, she has a lot of handicaps. She has an overweight problem and she has some habits that some people have to understand to tolerate.
Mr. BALL. What are they?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Talking just sitting down and making up tales, you know, have you ever seen people like that? Just have a creative mind, there's nothing to it, and just make up and keep talking until she just makes a lie out of it. Listen, I'm telling you the truth and this isn't to go any further, understand that? You have to know these things because you are going to question this lady. I will tell you, she's just as intelligent--I think she is a person that doesn't mean to do that but she just does it automatically. It seems as though that she, oh, I don't know, wants to be attractive or something at times. I just don't know; I don't understand it myself. I only wish I did.
JohnM
The above is not uncommon when being unable to dispute the facts in evidence. Therefore, put the witness/Roberts on trial.
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The above is not uncommon when being unable to dispute the facts in evidence. Therefore, put the witness/Roberts on trial.
The Police car story miraculously emerged after a full week of Earlene Roberts being extensively questioned!
I never knew Earlene Roberts and you didn't know Earlene Roberts but Mrs Johnson who employed Earlene Roberts for many years knew her well and Mrs Johnson simply stated what she knew about Earlene, why do you have a problem with Mrs Johnson's opinion?
JohnM
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I have a problem with a Witness being put on trial. Whether it be a JFK Assassination Witness or an alleged Rape Victim.
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I have a problem with a Witness being put on trial. Whether it be a JFK Assassination Witness or an alleged Rape Victim.
I have a problem with a Witness being put on trial.
How was Earlene Roberts on trial? The WC never even confronted Earlene with Johnson's revelation!
Whether it be a JFK Assassination Witness or an alleged Rape Victim.
Wow! That went unnecessarily dark very quickly and I'll just leave that there. Thanks for your contribution.
JohnM
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Clearly Roberts was put on trial. The goal being to paint her as being elderly and "wanting" and/or "needy". And why would they confront her with the Johnson allegations? That would have given her the opportunity to refute those accusations.