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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Lance Payette on April 21, 2025, 04:34:28 PM
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Yes, "Tom Sorensen," I'm looking at you. Yes, "Martin Weidmann," I'm looking at you.
I was treated this morning to an ad hominem attack that seemed (1) weirdly out of place on the thread, yet (2) oddly familiar.
This is basically about how badly you crave attention, and it's bad. As high as eight ramblings a day at one time, now roughly five. It's the ego thing, case closed.
"Tom" has scarcely acknowledged my posts at all over the past three months. What provoked this fury?
Being a lawyerly sort, I scrolled through "Tom's" 138 posts since he joined on February 22, 2025, a couple of weeks after I did. On February 24, two days after joining, he first responded to one of my posts in this genial fashion:
"This OP is easily the dumbest I've seen in a while; let's hope this dude doesn't practice law anymore."
At the same time, "Martin" - who apparently admits he uses a fake name - was questioning whether I was a lawyer at all. Hmmm.
Somewhat oddly, despite my numerous snippy exchanges with "Martin," brother "Tom" has scarcely commented on anything I've said.
He did suggest on March 13 that I might be suffering from "some kind of split personality disorder." Oh, the irony - eh, "Tom" and "Martin"?
But wait, there's more: "Tom" has responded to "Martin" precisely once: a one-liner agreeing with him.
One other time, he prefaced a post with "As Martin pointed out ...." (I always say, agreeing with yourself is the highest form of flattery.) Indeed, that post was distinctly Martin-esque: "As Martin pointed out, you have blind faith in anything that supports your preferred narrative, not so much if it doesn't fit your fantasy—Nutter Trait Classic."
But wait, there's more: "Tom's" posts are weirdly similar to "Martin's" in format, content and sheer unadulterated nastiness. Someone once pointed out to me that there are certain hard-to-disguise "tells" that identify an internet forum sock puppet - and I would suggest that "Tom's" and "Martin's" identity of format, style, content and sheer unadulterated nastiness are very "telling."
Indeed, "Tom" has seemingly dropped any pretense in his more recent posts. I reproduce one below. No, that isn't "Martin" - well, yeah, I guess it is, sort of.
Although I didn't do a full meta-analysis, it would appear that "Tom" and "Martin" post from the same time zone as well.
John Mytton recognized "Tom" as "Martin's" sock puppet on March 6:
"Is this some type of Twisted Tag Team Wrestling? You joined up on the 22nd and even though Martin was posting virtually every waking hour he suddenly stopped on virtually the same day that you started posting? Then Martin started posting 10 days later and you started drastically slowing down? Hahahaaha!"
"Tom" vehemently denied this, insisting he'd "joined an earlier incarnation of the forum in 2013" and that this should explain his odd familiarity - and, apparently, his foaming-at-the-mouth hostility - toward many longtime regulars like John, Richard and Steven. Should I flatter myself that Lance brought him out of woodwork after 12 years of lurking (during which "Martin," who joined in 2016, posted roughly 7,500 times)?
I suppose sock puppets can be kind of fun if used creatively. If I were going to create one, I'd have him argue with ME incessantly! Watching Lance and equally witty Little Bo Peep (LBP being my actual initials) go at each other could be a hoot, no?
What concerns me here is that, on one of my recent CE-399 threads, I offered "Martin" the olive branch that I would tone down my snarkiness toward him and henceforth deal with him in a manner worthy of my seminary training. And I did. And he even responded in a fairly restrained manner.
Alas, "Martin" is seemingly incapable of living without sheer, unadulterated, gratuitous nastiness. Hence, "Tom" takes up the cudgel.
I will not attempt an armchair psychoanalysis of the "Martin and Tom" show, merely suggest that I find it even weirder than the "Harvey and Lee" show and am fascinated as to why someone would play this bizarre game. Isn't hiding behind a "Martin" mask sufficient?
Enquiring minds want to know: Who else on here are you, "Martin" and "Tom"? Surely one fake name and one sock puppet are not enough?
Oh, here is one of "Tom's" recent posts. Look and sound familiar, "Martin"?
I have "blind faith"
Common
when the person who was present at the event with no apparent reason to lie about an innocuous event
among MAGA xxxxxxx.
Apparent.
(i.e. he asked Oswald whether he carried his lunch that day and Oswald said no) confirms this happened.
Classic Richard Smith misuse of "confirmed". There is no other account of what took place inside that car.
How exactly could this be proven to your subjective satisfaction absent a time machine?
It couldn't, even objectively, and you're still struggling to understand this. Wow!
The real knee slapper is that you are relying on this same witness
False, I'm not relying on Frazier.
- who you appear to be suggesting lied about asking if Oswald had his lunch -
False, it may appear so to you for whatever reason.
for his estimate of the length of a bag that he hardly saw.
I haven't referred to his estimate—DOH.
Riddle me this Batman, if Frazier was willing to lie about Oswald not carrying his lunch - again as you suggest he did -
Again, I haven't suggested that.
then why wouldn't he also confirm the more important fact that the bag was long enough to carry the rifle?
Because the curtain rods would fit the shorter bag, cupped in Oswald's hand, as claimed by Frazier.
HA HA HA.
Certainly, you failed again.
I know logic and common sense are not among your strong points but this is actually embarrassing.
Knowing how MAGA logic works, I wouldn't be too concerned about your opinion.
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Yes, "Tom Sorensen," I'm looking at you. Yes, "Martin Weidmann," I'm looking at you.
I was treated this morning to an ad hominem attack that seemed (1) weirdly out of place on the thread, yet (2) oddly familiar.
"Tom" has scarcely acknowledged my posts at all over the past three months. What provoked this fury?
Being a lawyerly sort, I scrolled through "Tom's" 138 posts since he joined on February 22, 2025, a couple of weeks after I did. On February 24, two days after joining, he first responded to one of my posts in this genial fashion:
"This OP is easily the dumbest I've seen in a while; let's hope this dude doesn't practice law anymore."
At the same time, "Martin" - who apparently admits he uses a fake name - was questioning whether I was a lawyer at all. Hmmm.
Somewhat oddly, despite my numerous snippy exchanges with "Martin," brother "Tom" has scarcely commented on anything I've said.
He did suggest on March 13 that I might be suffering from "some kind of split personality disorder." Oh, the irony - eh, "Tom" and "Martin"?
But wait, there's more: "Tom" has responded to "Martin" precisely once: a one-liner agreeing with him.
One other time, he prefaced a post with "As Martin pointed out ...." (I always say, agreeing with yourself is the highest form of flattery.) Indeed, that post was distinctly Martin-esque: "As Martin pointed out, you have blind faith in anything that supports your preferred narrative, not so much if it doesn't fit your fantasy—Nutter Trait Classic."
But wait, there's more: "Tom's" posts are weirdly similar to "Martin's" in format, content and sheer unadulterated nastiness. Someone once pointed out to me that there are certain hard-to-disguise "tells" that identify an internet forum sock puppet - and I would suggest that "Tom's" and "Martin's" identity of format, style, content and sheer unadulterated nastiness are very "telling."
Indeed, "Tom" has seemingly dropped any pretense in his more recent posts. I reproduce one below. No, that isn't "Martin" - well, yeah, I guess it is, sort of.
Although I didn't do a full meta-analysis, it would appear that "Tom" and "Martin" post from the same time zone as well.
John Mytton recognized "Tom" as "Martin's" sock puppet on March 6:
"Is this some type of Twisted Tag Team Wrestling? You joined up on the 22nd and even though Martin was posting virtually every waking hour he suddenly stopped on virtually the same day that you started posting? Then Martin started posting 10 days later and you started drastically slowing down? Hahahaaha!"
"Tom" vehemently denied this, insisting he'd "joined an earlier incarnation of the forum in 2013" and that this should explain his odd familiarity - and, apparently, his foaming-at-the-mouth hostility - toward many longtime regulars like John, Richard and Steven. Should I flatter myself that Lance brought him out of woodwork after 12 years of lurking (during which "Martin," who joined in 2016, posted roughly 7,500 times)?
I suppose sock puppets can be kind of fun if used creatively. If I were going to create one, I'd have him argue with ME incessantly! Watching Lance and equally witty Little Bo Peep (LBP being my actual initials) go at each other could be a hoot, no?
What concerns me here is that, on one of my recent CE-399 threads, I offered "Martin" the olive branch that I would tone down my snarkiness toward him and henceforth deal with him in a manner worthy of my seminary training. And I did. And he even responded in a fairly restrained manner.
Alas, "Martin" is seemingly incapable of living without sheer, unadulterated, gratuitous nastiness. Hence, "Tom" takes up the cudgel.
I will not attempt an armchair psychoanalysis of the "Martin and Tom" show, merely suggest that I find it even weirder than the "Harvey and Lee" show and am fascinated as to why someone would play this bizarre game. Isn't hiding behind a "Martin" mask sufficient?
Enquiring minds want to know: Who else on here are you, "Martin" and "Tom"? Surely one fake name and one sock puppet are not enough?
Oh, here is one of "Tom's" recent posts. Look and sound familiar, "Martin"?
Oh boy, another paranoid crackpot. That's just what we needed. You wouldn't be related to "John Mytton" (who, unlike me has admitted to using a fake name) by any chance, would you?
He could have written your post verbatim..... or perhaps he has? :D
Maybe you should get in touch with "Richard Smith", because he constantly goes on about me being a guy called Roger Collins, who apparently used to be a member many years ago.
Here's a suggestion.... do you full meta-analysis and find out just how big of a fool you are! Have fun Thumb1:
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Mr. Sorensen once called me, if I can remember, a poofter? Or a pollywag? A bubbledypeg? It's hard to take a personal attack from a Brit seriously (he is British, right?)
I wanted to return favor and call him a spotted dick. But I looked that up beforehand and learned it's actually a pudding. So it doesn't work. Unless if you hate pudding I guess. But it sounds tough. I mean, "I may be a poofter but you sir are a spotted dick!" Who wins that round?
Warning: If you look the phrase up make sure your filter is on. Otherwise you won't be getting any pudding, that's for sure.
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Oh boy, another paranoid crackpot. That's just what we needed. You wouldn't be related to "John Mytton" (who, unlike me has admitted to using a fake name) by any chance, would you?
He could have written your post verbatim..... or perhaps he has? :D
Maybe you should get in touch with "Richard Smith", because he constantly goes on about me being a guy called Roger Collins, who apparently used to be a member many years ago.
Here's a suggestion.... do you full meta-analysis and find out just how big of a fool you are! Have fun Thumb1:
Now don't go all huffy on me, "Martin." Although what I have described might reasonably be described as an astonishing coincidence, I remain open-minded and sincerely hope "Tom" will weigh in soon. We note that in your umbrage you do not actually deny that you are in fact "Tom" - or the lovely and talented "Roger Collins," for that matter. If you can establish with anything resembling certainty that "Martin" and "Tom" are separate individuals, I will send you six Happy Meal coupons and wear a Paranoid Crackpot t-shirt the rest of the month.
Here, let's just go this route. Get this filled out and post a PDF, and those Happy Meal coupons will be in the mail.
County of Yorkshire )
) ss.
Village of North Pudding )
On _________________, 2025, personally appeared before me, in the same room at the same time, one Thomas P. Sorenson, MBE, and one Martin F, Wiedmann III, OBE, and, after having been duly sworn, established to my eternal satisfaction, each producing authenticated birth certificates and current driver’s licenses, that they are in fact separate and distinct individuals holding remarkably similar views on the assassination of one John Fitzgerald Kennedy, whoever he was. Coincidentally, before leaving, Mr. Sorenson and Mr. Wiedmann both referred to me as a “hopeless old Lone Nut whack job,” whatever that might be, and asked if I were related to that "effing John Mytton," whoever that might be.
Further your affiant sayeth naught.
Pip-pip, cheerio, carry on, whatnot.
______________________________
Notary Public
My commission expires:
___________________
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Now don't go all huffy on me, "Martin." Although what I have described might reasonably be described as an astonishing coincidence, I remain open-minded and sincerely hope "Tom" will weigh in soon. We note that in your umbrage you do not actually deny that you are in fact "Tom" - or the lovely and talented "Roger Collins," for that matter. If you can establish with anything resembling certainty that "Martin" and "Tom" are separate individuals, I will send you six Happy Meal coupons and wear a Paranoid Crackpot t-shirt the rest of the month.
Here, let's just go this route. Get this filled out and post a PDF, and those Happy Meal coupons will be in the mail.
County of Yorkshire )
) ss.
Village of North Pudding )
On _________________, 2025, personally appeared before me, in the same room at the same time, one Thomas P. Sorenson, MBE, and one Martin F, Wiedmann III, OBE, and, after having been duly sworn, established to my eternal satisfaction, each producing authenticated birth certificates and current driver’s licenses, that they are in fact separate and distinct individuals holding remarkably similar views on the assassination of one John Fitzgerald Kennedy, whoever he was. Coincidentally, before leaving, Mr. Sorenson and Mr. Wiedmann both referred to me as a “hopeless old Lone Nut whack job,” whatever that might be, and asked if I were related to that "effing John Mytton," whoever that might be.
Further your affiant sayeth naught.
Pip-pip, cheerio, carry on, whatnot.
______________________________
Notary Public
My commission expires:
___________________
Now you're trying to be a comedian?
And what's in Yorkshire?
that they are in fact separate and distinct individuals holding remarkably similar views on the assassination of one John Fitzgerald Kennedy,
Wait a second.... LNs all hold the same similar views on the assssination of JFK. You're not telling me that they are all the same person, are you?
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Here's a suggestion.... do you full meta-analysis and find out just how big of a fool you are! Have fun Thumb1:
Current time for Lance on Lance's profile: 12:38:09 PM - that would be Arizona.
Current time for "Tom": 8:38:09 PM - that would be England.
Current time for "Martin": 8:38:09 PM - that would be the same as "Tom"
I note further that in "Martin's" rants he repeatedly refers to "the U.S." in a way that would be rather odd for an American.
Just my observations, you understand. I concede it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that two distinct individuals just happen to share identical views on the JFKA, use identical formatting in their posts, use the same emojis, share the same time zone, exhibit the same over-the-top anger again and again and again, never respond to each other, have a pattern where one posts on days the other doesn't, etc., etc.
I mean, it COULD happen - couldn't it? Well, couldn't it?
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Now you're trying to be a comedian?
And what's in Yorkshire?
that they are in fact separate and distinct individuals holding remarkably similar views on the assassination of one John Fitzgerald Kennedy,
Wait a second.... LNs all hold the same similar views on the assssination of JFK. You're not telling me that they are all the same person, are you?
Come on, "Martin." I think you've been pretty decisively outed. Maybe just put "Tom" back in his cabinet and get on with your "Martin" thing?
I rest my case and now return to statesmanlike ex-seminarian mode, although I don't think "Martin" or "Tom" will be hearing much more from me, statesmanlike or otherwise, because I find this all just so weird as to be almost scary.
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Current time for Lance on Lance's profile: 12:38:09 PM - that would be Arizona.
Current time for "Tom": 8:38:09 PM - that would be England.
Current time for "Martin": 8:38:09 PM - that would be the same as "Tom"
I note further that in "Martin's" rants he repeatedly refers to "the U.S." in a way that would be rather odd for an American.
Just my observations, you understand. I concede it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that two distinct individuals just happen to share identical views on the JFKA, use identical formatting in their posts, use the same emojis, share the same time zone, exhibit the same over-the-top anger again and again and again, never respond to each other, have a pattern where one posts on days the other doesn't, etc., etc.
I mean, it COULD happen - couldn't it? Well, couldn't it?
Current time for "Martin": 8:38:09 PM - that would be the same as "Tom"
I humbly apologize for never bothering to look at the settings of my profile. The mistake has been corrected.
Don't tell "Richard Smith" because he doesn't believe I'm in Europe.
I note further that in "Martin's" rants he repeatedly refers to "the U.S." in a way that would be rather odd for an American.
How about an American with a dual nationality for whom English isn't his native tongue? Would that work for you?
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Come on, "Martin." I think you've been pretty decisively outed. Maybe just put "Tom" back in his cabinet and get on with your "Martin" thing?
I rest my case and now return to statesmanlike ex-seminarian mode, although I don't think "Martin" or "Tom" will be hearing much more from me, statesmanlike or otherwise, because I find this all just so weird as to be almost scary.
I fully agree that it is utterly idiotic for a "level headed ex lawyer" to jump to conclusions based on foolish and weak assumptions.
Btw, who am I talking to now; Lance Payette or John Mytton?
See what you have done? You've got me wondering again about who and what you really are.
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Holy cow, what have I waded into?
I now find from 2022 an extensive debate as to whether "Martin" is or was one "Otto Beck." How many others have there been?
Sorry now I even opened this can of worms because you, Martin/Tom/Otto/Whoever are too much for me.
Sock puppet to your heart's content if it makes you happy, Martin/Tom/Otto/Whoever.
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Holy cow, what have I waded into?
I now find from 2022 an extensive debate as to whether "Martin" is or was one "Otto Beck." How many others have there been?
Sorry now I even opened this can of worms because you, Martin/Tom/Otto/Whoever are too much for me.
Sock puppet to your heart's content if it makes you happy, Martin/Tom/Otto/Whoever.
Thank you, John Thumb1:
At least now you know how LN paranoia works.
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I fully agree that it is utterly idiotic for a "level headed ex lawyer" to jump to conclusions based on foolish and weak assumptions.
Btw, who am I talking to now; Lance Payette or John Mytton?
See what you have done? You've got me wondering again about who and what you really are.
Nice try at deflection. Lance Payette, for better or worse, is a real person who can be found on the State Bar of Arizona website, in numerous reported state and federal appellate decisions, in at least three fiction pieces in Arizona Attorney magazine, and in numerous legal publications and news articles. He does not require a fake name or sock puppet. I have no idea why John Mytton chooses to use a fake name, but if he creates a sock puppet and starts slinging inane insults at me I will look into the matter.
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Related Fun Stuff (good for a few laughs anyway):
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/16904-amazon-poster-sv-anderson-might-be-vincent-bugliosi/?do=findComment&comment=214399
https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/11/dvp-vs-dieugenio-part-112.html
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Nice try at deflection. Lance Payette, for better or worse, is a real person who can be found on the State Bar of Arizona website, in numerous reported state and federal appellate decisions, in at least three fiction pieces in Arizona Attorney magazine, and in numerous legal publications and news articles. He does not require a fake name or sock puppet. I have no idea why John Mytton chooses to use a fake name, but if he creates a sock puppet and starts slinging inane insults at me I will look into the matter.
Lance Payette, for better or worse, is a real person who can be found on the State Bar of Arizona website
Yes, I know. I've already checked. The question is; is that really you?
John Mytton is an historical figure from the Regency period. He didn't choose to use a fake name. Somebody claiming to being an Australian uses his name.
Knowing the guy who calls himself "John Mytton", it is strangely surprising he has stayed out of this conversation while being on line on this forum.
Btw, why are you getting so defensive?
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Related Fun Stuff (good for a few laughs anyway):
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/16904-amazon-poster-sv-anderson-might-be-vincent-bugliosi/?do=findComment&comment=214399
https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/11/dvp-vs-dieugenio-part-112.html
Thanks for the laugh, David.
Poor "Lance" actually believed he was on to something and ended up making a complete fool of himself.
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Thanks for the laugh, David.
Poor "Lance" actually believed he was on to something and ended up making a complete fool of himself.
Oh, golly, did I? I hadn't noticed. Is that the conclusion you really think those who read this thread are going to draw? Come on, you're not actually delusional as well, are you?
Let me be blunt: I have no doubt whatsoever that the venomous character who poses as "Martin" is in fact the venomous character who poses as "Tom."
(John Mytton, be sure to let me know if you are, in fact, Lance Payette because I'm going to have to get that straightened out with my wife and the State Bar.)
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Oh, golly, did I? I hadn't noticed. Is that the conclusion you really think those who read this thread are going to draw? Come on, you're not actually delusional as well, are you?
Let me be blunt: I have no doubt whatsoever that the venomous character who poses as "Martin" is in fact the venomous character who poses as "Tom."
(John Mytton, be sure to let me know if you are, in fact, Lance Payette because I'm going to get that straightened out with my wife and the State Bar.)
Oh boy, he's getting angry. I must have hit a nerve. Now, he's getting his wife involved.... Hilarious! No wonder "Mytton" is staying out of this conversation.
I don't care what you have no doubt about. Your ego-driven opinions mean nothing to me.
You are 100% wrong and I am not even going to bother to prove you wrong. That's how insignificant you are.
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Oh boy, he's getting angry. I must have hit a nerve. Now, he's getting his wife involved.... Hilarious! No wonder "Mytton" is staying out of this conversation.
I don't care what you have no doubt about. Your ego-driven opinions mean nothing to me.
You are 100% wrong and I am not even going to bother to prove you wrong. That's how insignificant you are.
Hey, "Tom" played the ego card this morning! What a coincidence!
Have you or "Tom" noticed how many of your insults have their roots in psychology? "Split personality," "ego-driven," "paranoia" - I could assemble a list from your posts and "Tom's" - not just directed at me, mind you- that would be quite startling. Should this perhaps suggest something to you? To us?
Ah, and now we have the "I'm not going to bother" card. Please, go ahead and "bother." We're waiting ...
You and DVP, eh? Now there is an odd pairing. Perhaps DVP finds it all humorous, but I find it rather pathetic. You are one bizarre dude, dude.
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Hey, "Tom" played the ego card this morning! What a coincidence!
Have you or "Tom" noticed how many of your insults have their roots in psychology? "Split personality," "ego-driven," "paranoia" - I could assemble a list from your posts and "Tom's" - not just directed at me, mind you- that would be quite startling. Should this perhaps suggest something to you? To us?
Ah, and now we have the "I'm not going to bother" card. Please, go ahead and "bother." We're waiting ...
You and DVP, eh? Now there is an odd pairing. Perhaps DVP finds it all humorous, but I find it rather pathetic. You are one bizarre dude, dude.
You and DVP, eh? Now there is an odd pairing. Perhaps DVP finds it all humorous, but I find it rather pathetic.
That's because it is humorous no matter on which side of the debate you are. DVP and I don't always see eye to eye, but I can respect his point of view. Your idiotic crap doesn't deserve any respect.
You are one bizarre dude, dude.
Says the only guy who takes all of this BS seriously and even gets his wife involved..... Now, that's hilarious. Thumb1:
Have you or "Tom" noticed how many of your insults have their roots in psychology? "Split personality," "ego-driven," "paranoia" - I could assemble a list from your posts
Yes, please assemble your list.... it will be good for a laugh
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Mr. Sorensen once called me, if I can remember, a poofter? Or a pollywag? A bubbledypeg? It's hard to take a personal attack from a Brit seriously (he is British, right?)
I wanted to return favor and call him a spotted dick. But I looked that up beforehand and learned it's actually a pudding. So it doesn't work. Unless if you hate pudding I guess. But it sounds tough. I mean, "I may be a poofter but you sir are a spotted dick!" Who wins that round?
Warning: If you look the phrase up make sure your filter is on. Otherwise you won't be getting any pudding, that's for sure.
:D
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Hey, "Tom" played the ego card this morning! What a coincidence!
Have you or "Tom" noticed how many of your insults have their roots in psychology? "Split personality," "ego-driven," "paranoia" - I could assemble a list from your posts and "Tom's" - not just directed at me, mind you- that would be quite startling. Should this perhaps suggest something to you? To us?
Ah, and now we have the "I'm not going to bother" card. Please, go ahead and "bother." We're waiting ...
You and DVP, eh? Now there is an odd pairing. Perhaps DVP finds it all humorous, but I find it rather pathetic. You are one bizarre dude, dude.
A few years back Bill Brown, Richard Smith and myself busted "Roger Collins" with his new alias Martin Weidmann, I've noticed various other aliases that come along and just after joining up they start supporting Martin's posts, it's all a bit silly really. And as usual when Martin is caught, he starts accusing other members of being other other members, it's like clockwork!
Then along comes Tom!
Hilarious, now you're responding for Martin and a couple of posts ago, even used his clown insult?
Is this some type of Twisted Tag Team Wrestling? You joined up on the 22nd and even though Martin was posting virtually every waking hour he suddenly stopped on virtually the same day that you started posting? Then Martin started posting 10 days later and you started drastically slowing down? Hahahaaha!
JohnM
JohnM
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A few years back Bill Brown, Richard Smith and myself busted "Roger Collins" with his new alias Martin Weidmann, I've noticed various other aliases that come along and just after joining up they start supporting Martin's posts, it's all a bit silly really. And as usual when Martin is caught, he starts accusing other members of being other other members, it's like clockwork!
Then along comes Tom!
JohnM
And there is "John" or should I say Lance?
Btw John Mytton, who wasn't even Australian, died in 1834. Are you communicating with us from the after life?
I've noticed various other aliases that come along and just after joining up they start supporting Martin's posts
So, if somebody agrees with me is me using a fake account? Could you get any more paranoid than this?
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Lance Payette, for better or worse, is a real person who can be found on the State Bar of Arizona website
Yes, I know. I've already checked. The question is; is that really you?
John Mytton is an historical figure from the Regency period. He didn't choose to use a fake name. Somebody claiming to being an Australian uses his name.
Knowing the guy who calls himself "John Mytton", it is strangely surprising he has stayed out of this conversation while being on line on this forum.
Btw, why are you getting so defensive?
This is hilarious, I was "staying out of it" because I was asleep, I'm Australian!
But don't worry, I'm awake now and thoroughly enjoying this.
A better tactic for you when caught would be to stop being so defensive and just laugh it off because all this hostility and this weak deflection of accusing me of being Lance is a dead give away.
BTW I wonder how Tom will respond? Hahahaha!
JohnM
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This is hilarious, I was "staying out of it" because I was asleep, I'm Australian!
But don't worry, I'm awake now and thoroughly enjoying this.
A better tactic for you when caught would be to stop being so defensive and just laugh it off because all this hostility and this weak deflection of accusing me of being Lance is a dead give away.
BTW I wonder how Tom will respond? Hahahaha!
JohnM
This is hilarious, I was "staying out of it" because I was asleep, I'm Australian!
Yes, so you claim, but when I checked (remember that?) there was no John Mytton registered in the greater Sydney area!
But don't worry, I'm awake now and thoroughly enjoying this.
Of course you are enjoying this. It would enjoy any troll.
A better tactic for you when caught would be to stop being so defensive and just laugh it off because all this hostility and this weak deflection of accusing me of being Lance is a dead give away.
It seems you're the one who is being defensive. I am the one who is laughing it off..... Clowns like you have Martin being Otto and/or Tom, but then Martin is really Roger. Talk about paranoia!
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Here's a small sample from the Roger/Martin saga!
(https://i.postimg.cc/bNZKgx5n/Roger-Collins-Rubbishliarproof3-zpsa5b20cdd.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/s2rq3tgP/Roger-Collins-Rubbishliar9i-zps3b79521e.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPJS1CKz/Rogertravelsalotaround-Europe-zps977b2d25.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/j5q17PNL/Roger-Collins-German-zps338e4cd1.jpg)
JohnM
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And there is "John" or should I say Lance?
Btw John Mytton, who wasn't even Australian, died in 1834. Are you communicating with us from the after life?
This is hilarious, I was "staying out of it" because I was asleep, I'm Australian!
Yes, so you claim, but when I checked (remember that?) there was no John Mytton registered in the greater Sydney area!
And this Ladies and Gentlemen is why I use a fake name, these loony potentially violent CT's first google you, then track down your address and then they start harassing you at home! I know because it already happened to me!
JohnM
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Here's a small sample from the Roger/Martin saga!
(https://i.postimg.cc/bNZKgx5n/Roger-Collins-Rubbishliarproof3-zpsa5b20cdd.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/s2rq3tgP/Roger-Collins-Rubbishliar9i-zps3b79521e.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPJS1CKz/Rogertravelsalotaround-Europe-zps977b2d25.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/j5q17PNL/Roger-Collins-German-zps338e4cd1.jpg)
JohnM
And then Johnny tells you he's not obsessed with me! Hilarious!
He is using screen shots of conversations with Roger Collins from 2013, as if it is unusual that two people speak several languages, but he doesn't understand that it's hardly normal for anybody to save screen shots from 12 years ago.
Says it all, really....
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And this Ladies and Gentlemen is why I use a fake name, these loony potentially violent CT's first google you, then track down your address and then they start harassing you at home! I know because it already happened to me!
JohnM
If I wanted to track down your real address, I would already have done it. You don't know who you are dealing with but you are simply just not important enough!
But thank you for confirming, once again, that you are using a fake name.
Now the only question that remains to be answered is; when you are using a fake name on this forum, why do you obsess about others using fake names, even if they don't?
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This is actually becoming kind of a fun exercise in legal forensics.
I pulled these insults just from "Martin's" posts in April. NONE OF THESE WERE AIMED AT ME but at other targets. Several of them were used repeatedly:
"Delusional, one sick puppy, completely ignorant, your massive ego, your idiotic rant, ego-driven desperation, ignorant arrogance, stupid, pathetic, one of the most insignificant posters."
Nice.
When "Tom's" association with "Martin" was questioned, he responded "Another LN false claim. Your paranoid theories are actually great fun to read; carry on!"
Paranoid theories? Distinctly Martin-like, no?
I don't happen to have the software that will do it, but if anyone does I encourage you to run 25 of "Tom's" posts and 25 of "Martin's" through it. I guarantee you, the software will respond: "Why are you feeding me these softballs? Why are you feeding me 50 posts that are obviously by the same person? I'm better than this, pal. Give me a challenge, will ya?"
Skim their posts for yourself, if you have sufficient interest. THERE IS NO DOUBT.
Oh, BTW, they both "just happen" to have visceral, over-the-top disdain for The Donald and his MAGA supporters. Plenty of people do, of course, but this is just one more link in the chain.
John's point occurred to me as well (and I've never even been to Australia!): Why not just sheepishly laugh this off, "Martin"?
"Yeah, OK, you caught me with my pants down. So what? Sock puppets aren't expressly prohibited here. If I want to be 'Tom' as well as 'Martin," or put on lipstick and a tutu and be 'Gladys' on alternate Tuesdays, what's it to the rest of you?"
But noooo, self-important, oh-so-serious "Martin" has to play this out, attempting to turn the tables that Lance is John, John is somehow a fraud because he uses an historical figure's name, and Lance's little joke about his wife is some dark admission of something.
Get help, "Martin."
Try to show him how absurd this all looks, "Tom."
Give him a big hug and tell him it's OK, "Gladys."
Really, Martin, it's OK. We're all laughing with you, not at you. Well, OK, we ARE laughing at you, but we'd be laughing with you if you'd just fess up and stop perpetuating the nonsense. I truly don't understand your motivation, but I'll let it go.
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You don't know who you are dealing with ...
YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN! :D
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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This is actually becoming kind of a fun exercise in legal forensics.
I pulled these insults just from "Martin's" posts in April. NONE OF THESE WERE AIMED AT ME but at other targets. Several of them were used repeatedly:
"Delusional, one sick puppy, completely ignorant, your massive ego, your idiotic rant, ego-driven desperation, ignorant arrogance, stupid, pathetic, one of the most insignificant posters."
Nice.
When "Tom's" association with "Martin" was questioned, he responded "Another LN false claim. Your paranoid theories are actually great fun to read; carry on!"
Paranoid theories? Distinctly Martin-like, no?
I don't happen to have the software that will do it, but if anyone does I encourage you to run 25 of "Tom's" posts and 25 of "Martin's" through it. I guarantee you, the software will respond: "Why are you feeding me these softballs? Why are you feeding me 50 posts that are obviously by the same person? I'm better than this, pal. Give me a challenge, will ya?"
Skim their posts for yourself, if you have sufficient interest. THERE IS NO DOUBT.
Oh, BTW, they both "just happen" to have visceral, over-the-top disdain for The Donald and his MAGA supporters. Plenty of people do, of course, but this is just one more link in the chain.
John's point occurred to me as well (and I've never even been to Australia!): Why not just sheepishly laugh this off, "Martin"?
"Yeah, OK, you caught me with my pants down. So what? Sock puppets aren't expressly prohibited here. If I want to be 'Tom' as well as 'Martin," or put on lipstick and a tutu and be 'Gladys' on alternate Tuesdays, what's it to the rest of you?"
But noooo, self-important, oh-so-serious "Martin" has to play this out, attempting to turn the tables that Lance is John, John is somehow a fraud because he uses an historical figure's name, and Lance's little joke about his wife is some dark admission of something.
Get help, "Martin."
Try to show him how absurd this all looks, "Tom."
Give him a big hug and tell him it's OK, "Gladys."
Really, Martin, it's OK. We're all laughing with you, not at you. Well, OK, we ARE laughing at you, but we'd be laughing with you if you'd just fess up and stop perpetuating the nonsense. I truly don't understand your motivation, but I'll let it go.
When "John Mytton" jumped in, because you were making a fool of yourself, didn't you figure it would be better to stay out of this conversation?
John's point occurred to me as well (and I've never even been to Australia!): Why not just sheepishly laugh this off, "Martin"?
But I do. Just a matter of interest; why did you feel the need to mention that you have never been to Australia? Did you want to create distance between you and your alter ego?
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YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN! :D
Sorry, couldn't resist.
So, I've got you mystified, but you still feel you know, right?
I haven't had this much fun for months.... It's absolutely hilarious!
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And there is "John" or should I say Lance?
Btw John Mytton, who wasn't even Australian, died in 1834. Are you communicating with us from the after life?
Are you suggesting that there couldn't possibly be TWO people who have had the name of John Mytton since the 1800s?
Along those same lines, how about this farmer in Australia (https://themeterman.com.au/about_us.php) who has a name I'm kind of familiar with.
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If I wanted to track down your real address, I would already have done it. You don't know who you are dealing with but you are simply just not important enough!
But thank you for confirming, once again, that you are using a fake name.
Now the only question that remains to be answered is; when you are using a fake name on this forum, why do you obsess about others using fake names, even if they don't?
As I've said since virtually day one, I use an alias and there is nothing wrong with that, but one person using multiple aliases is bit weird and especially when they are used to promote your own posts!
JohnM
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When "John Mytton" jumped in, because you were making a fool of yourself, didn't you figure it would be better to stay out of this conversation?
Apparently, I didn't. Despite being the same person, John and I have difficulty coordinating our responses.
But I do. Just a matter of interest; why did you deel the need to mention that you have never been to Australia? Did you want to create distance between you and your alter ego?
Please, tell me you aren't this paranoid, mate. Are we witnessing an actual meltdown here, mate? Should you perhaps put another shrimp on your mental barbie, mate? G'day, mate, ya wacky drongo, I reckon it's about time I shoot through on this thread.
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Are you suggesting that there couldn't possibly be TWO people who have had the name of John Mytton since the 1800s?
Along those same lines, how about this farmer in Australia (https://themeterman.com.au/about_us.php) who has a name I'm kind of familiar with.
Of course there are more than one person named John Mytton. It just isn't the real name of the member on this forum using that name, and he has admitted as much.
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As I've said since virtually day one, I use an alias and there is nothing wrong with that, but one person using multiple aliases is bit weird and especially when they are used to promote your own posts!
JohnM
Who is using multiple aliases?
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Are you suggesting that there couldn't possibly be TWO people who have had the name of John Mytton since the 1800s?
Along those same lines, how about this farmer in Australia (https://themeterman.com.au/about_us.php) who has a name I'm kind of familiar with.
My father, born in 1908, had the unlikely name Alcide John Payette. When I began genealogical research, I was astonished to find, in Hawaii, the grave of Alcide John Payette, born in 1908. It wasn't my father. On the other hand, my father never felt the need to resort to sock puppets. If there is another Lance B. Payette (other than John Mytton, of course), I've never stumbled across him.
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Apparently, I didn't. Despite being the same person, John and I have difficulty coordinating our responses.
Please, tell me you aren't this paranoid, mate. Are we witnessing an actual meltdown here, mate? Should you perhaps put another shrimp on your mental barbie, mate? G'day, mate, ya wacky drongo, I reckon it's about time I shoot through on this thread.
Apparently, I didn't. Despite being the same person, John and I have difficulty coordinating our responses.
Unless you are the same person. Then you can do what you want.
Please, tell me you aren't this paranoid, mate. Are we witnessing an actual meltdown here, mate? Should you perhaps put another shrimp on your mental barbie, mate? G'day, mate, ya wacky drongo, I reckon it's about time I shoot through on this thread.
What's this "mate"crap? I'm not English...
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Hi all,
My name is Tim Nickerson. People call me Tim Nickerson.
(https://i.imgur.com/MtTj2fG.gif)
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Of course there are more than one person named John Mytton. It just isn't the real name of the member on this forum using that name, and he has admitted as much.
Who cares?
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Who cares?
Exactly!
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Of course there are more than one person named John Mytton. It just isn't the real name of the member on this forum using that name, and he has admitted as much.
I love the phrase "admitted as much," as though this required an "admission." :D Especially coming from someone who is doing the same thing!
Cross-examining attorney: "Do you ADMIT, Mr. Mytton, that you post on obscure internet forums using the name of a 19th Century British eccentric? Well, DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT ADMIT THIS? And yet you expect this jury to believe that you, who have ADMITTEDLY appropriated a noted historical figure's name for your own selfish purposes, are innocent of the heinous crimes with which you are charged? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the prosecution rests."
In my long posting history, I have been, at least, Pastor Lance, Runner, Irkle Berserkle, Little Bo Peep, The Venerable Bede, Troglodyte74, Bingo and probably 25 others. I have great fondness for my Venerable Bede persona, may he rest in peace.
Sock puppets? That's a different story. Most forums explicitly prohibit them because they are fundamentally dishonest and serve no purpose other than to deceive. But you already knew that - right, mate?
This thread is rapidly becoming my absolutely most-favorite-ever Monty Python skit, and I've been doing this internet forum thing for almost 30 years.
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Holy cow, what have I waded into?
I now find from 2022 an extensive debate as to whether "Martin" is or was one "Otto Beck." How many others have there been?
Sorry now I even opened this can of worms because you, Martin/Tom/Otto/Whoever are too much for me.
Sock puppet to your heart's content if it makes you happy, Martin/Tom/Otto/Whoever.
Thanks, I forgot about Otto and his $100,000 challenge to prove that he wasn't Weidmann! Ya gotta laugh.
And here's another couple of classic quotes.
Weidmann "As my old Law Professor used to say"
Roger Collins, "I'm a Lawyer"
You can't make this stuff up. :D
JohnM
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Hi all,
My name is Tim Nickerson. People call me Tim Nickerson.
(https://i.imgur.com/MtTj2fG.gif)
And that's why you're simply no fun. :D If I didn't admit Lance Payette was John Mytton just to scramble "Martin's" brains, Lance would be no fun either.
When Peter Sellers was introduced to people, even serious people in real life, just to throw them off he'd say, "Very pleasant to meet you, Mr. Nickerson, if that is in fact your real name."
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My father, born in 1908, had the unlikely name Alcide John Payette. When I began genealogical research, I was astonished to find, in Hawaii, the grave of Alcide John Payette, born in 1908. It wasn't my father. On the other hand, my father never felt the need to resort to sock puppets. If there is another Lance B. Payette (other than John Mytton, of course), I've never stumbled across him.
You are way too desperate to "prove" who you are, so let me help you. I don't care who you are or claim to be. If you want me to call you Lance, I will. Does that help you?
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I love the phrase "admitted as much," as though this required an "admission." :D Especially coming from someone who is doing the same thing!
Cross-examining attorney: "Do you ADMIT, Mr. Mytton, that you post on obscure internet forums using the name of a 19th Century British eccentric? Well, DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT ADMIT THIS? And yet you expect this jury to believe that you, who have ADMITTEDLY appropriated a noted historical figure's name for your own selfish purposes, are innocent of the heinous crimes with which you are charged? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the prosecution rests."
In my long posting history, I have been, at least, Pastor Lance, Runner, Irkle Berserkle, Little Bo Peep, The Venerable Bede, Troglodyte74, Bingo and probably 25 others. I have great fondness for my Venerable Bede person, may he rest in peace.
Sock puppets? That's a different story. Most forums explicitly prohibit them because they are fundamentally dishonest and serve no purpose other than to deceive. But you already knew that - right, mate?
This thread is rapidly becoming my absolutely most-favorite-ever Monty Python skit, and I've been doing this internet forum thing for almost 30 years.
So much desperation, when I have already left you off the hook.
Just like "Mytton" you really can't help yourself, can you?
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And that's why you're simply no fun. :D If I didn't admit Lance Payette was John Mytton just to scramble "Martin's" brains, Lance would be no fun either.
When Peter Sellers was introduced to people, even serious people in real life, just to throw them off he'd say, "Very pleasant to meet you, Mr. Nickerson, if that is in fact your real name."
Now you've just gone and put some doubt in my own mind about my real identity. Thanks a lot buddy. >:(
Your name's not Buddy by any chance?
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Thanks, I forgot about Otto and his $100,000 challenge to prove that he wasn't Weidmann! Ya gotta laugh.
And here's another couple of classic quotes.
Weidmann "As my old Law Professor used to say"
Roger Collins, "I'm a Lawyer"
You can't make this stuff up. :D
JohnM
Do you have evidence that Roger Collins isn't a lawyer?
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Thanks, I forgot about Otto and his $100,000 challenge to prove that he wasn't Weidmann! Ya gotta laugh.
And here's another couple of classic quotes.
Weidmann "As my old Law Professor used to say"
Roger Collins, "I'm a Lawyer"
You can't make this stuff up. :D
JohnM
Or in Martin/Roger's case, apparently, you CAN make this stuff up! If he (they?) is a lawyer, it would have to be in some alternate universe.
On the Ed Forum, Jon Tidd - a fellow Arizona lawyer, for God's sake - got banned for repeatedly suggesting I wasn't actually a lawyer. He would pose weird little legal questions, like a bar exam, to see if I could answer them!
Let's continue this game, "Martin" and "Tom." If I pose a couple of legal questions, will you take a stab at them?
Lee Harvey Oswald walks into the TSBD and slips on a banana peel, causing the package of curtain rods in his hand to discharge a 6.5 mm pellet into the groin of fellow employee Charles Givens. Givens staggers into fellow employee Vicki Adams, causing her to tumble into the stairwell and descend two flights of stairs on her ample posterior. Whereupon, TSBD head honcho Roy Truly, who is involved in an illicit affair with Miss Adams, punches Givens and rushes to the aid of his paramour. Deeply concerned by these events, Oswald gets a coke and exits the building, robs a Circle K, and hails a taxi. Discuss the issues.
OK, I'll stop. I'm about to wet my pants as is it. This thread has exceeded my dreams. You've been a great audience.
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Or in Martin/Roger's case, apparently, you CAN make this stuff up! If he (they?) is a lawyer, it would have to be in some alternate universe.
On the Ed Forum, Jon Tidd - a fellow Arizona lawyer, for God's sake - got banned for repeatedly suggesting I wasn't actually a lawyer. He would pose weird little legal questions, like a bar exam, to see if I could answer them!
Let's continue this game, "Martin" and "Tom." If I pose a couple of legal questions, will you take a stab at them?
Lee Harvey Oswald walks into the TSBD and slips on a banana peel, causing the package of curtain rods in his hand to discharge a 6.5 mm pellet into the groin of fellow employee Charles Givens. Givens staggers into fellow employee Vicki Adams, causing her to tumble into the stairwell and descend two flights of stairs on her ample posterior. Whereupon, TSBD head honcho Roy Truly, who is involved in an illicit affair with Miss Adams, punches Givens and rushes to the aid of his paramour. Deeply concerned by these events, Oswald gets a coke and exits the building, robs a Circle K, and hails a taxi. Discuss the issues.
OK, I'll stop. I'm about to wet my pants as is it. This thread has exceeded my dreams. You've been a great audience.
Let's continue this game, "Martin" and "Tom."
Is Tom a lawyer?
OK, I'll stop. I'm about to wet my pants as is it. This thread has exceeded my dreams.
That's only because you rather foolishly think you are right, when in fact you are not.
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Let's continue this game, "Martin" and "Tom."
Is Tom a lawyer?
Only you would know that, eh? Ask him next time you're sitting on the loo together, mate.
I did forget: "Martin" recently asked me how I could be sure he wasn't a lawyer, so apparently this is a running "Martin" gag.
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Do you have evidence that Roger Collins isn't a lawyer?
You know Roger better than me, ask him?
(https://media.tenor.com/s9Ki3VBtQ9gAAAAM/movie-split.gif)
JohnM
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You know Roger better than me, ask him?
(https://media.tenor.com/s9Ki3VBtQ9gAAAAM/movie-split.gif)
JohnM
This is starting to become almost theological: How many "Martins" can dance on the head of a pin? (In the Middle Ages, how many angels could dance on the head of a pin was a genuine theological question.)
I prefer: How many "Martins" can sit on the loo at the same time? It fits the tone of this thread better. So far, we have Martin, Tom, Otto and Roger, unless I'm forgetting someone already.
Come on, Martin, you're loving every minute of this.
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"Martin" claims to be from "Europe" yet is apparently ignorant of the metric system. He claims to have relatives who died in the Holocaust yet espouses bizarre anti-Semitic Nazi-like beliefs like Trump's daughter is not a real Jew because she "converted." He falsely claimed Hitler had Jewish relatives as part of his nutty anti-Semitic rant. He is one of two contrarian nuts on this forum that I refuse to address.
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Only you would know that, eh? Ask him next time you're sitting on the loo together, mate.
I did forget: "Martin" recently asked me how I could be sure he wasn't a lawyer, so apparently this is a running "Martin" gag.
So desperate!
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This is starting to become almost theological: How many "Martins" can dance on the head of a pin? (In the Middle Ages, how many angels could dance on the head of a pin was a genuine theological question.)
I prefer: How many "Martins" can sit on the loo at the same time? It fits the tone of this thread better. So far, we have Martin, Tom, Otto and Roger, unless I'm forgetting someone already.
Come on, Martin, you're loving every minute of this.
Well, there was Peter Goth? Who would be quite passionate defending Weidmann, here's 3 Goth posts in a row?
(https://i.postimg.cc/05XpxDyc/peter-goth-or-martin-weidmann.jpg)
JohnM
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You know Roger better than me, ask him?
(https://media.tenor.com/s9Ki3VBtQ9gAAAAM/movie-split.gif)
JohnM
What makes you think I know Roger Collins at all?
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This is starting to become almost theological: How many "Martins" can dance on the head of a pin? (In the Middle Ages, how many angels could dance on the head of a pin was a genuine theological question.)
I prefer: How many "Martins" can sit on the loo at the same time? It fits the tone of this thread better. So far, we have Martin, Tom, Otto and Roger, unless I'm forgetting someone already.
Come on, Martin, you're loving every minute of this.
Of course I'm loving every minute of this. It's hilarious and only shows the LN paranoia
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Well, there was Peter Goth? Who would be quite passionate defending Weidmann, here's 3 Goth posts in a row?
(https://i.postimg.cc/05XpxDyc/peter-goth-or-martin-weidmann.jpg)
JohnM
You still don't understand just how obsessive you are, do you"?
So, now I am Martin, Tom, Otto, Roger and Peter? Hilarious, but so funny.
It completely exposes just how LNs look at the JFK assassination.... They haven't got a clue.
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"Martin" claims to be from "Europe" yet is apparently ignorant of the metric system. He claims to have relatives who died in the Holocaust yet espouses bizarre anti-Semitic Nazi-like beliefs like Trump's daughter is not a real Jew because she "converted." He falsely claimed Hitler had Jewish relatives as part of his nutty anti-Semitic rant. He is one of two contrarian nuts on this forum that I refuse to address.
So, I'm not from Europe? Ask Lance, who just argued that I am.
He claims to have relatives who died in the Holocaust yet espouses bizarre anti-Semitic Nazi-like beliefs like Trump's daughter is not a real Jew because she "converted."
What do my relatives who died in the Holocaust have to do with Trump's daughter, who is indeed not a real Jew?
He falsely claimed Hitler had Jewish relatives as part of his nutty anti-Semitic rant.
Of course a true Hitler loving fool will make such a pathetic untrue claim.
He is one of two contrarian nuts on this forum that I refuse to address.
The only reason why you refuse to address my post (while still addressing my posts) is because you haven't got the counter arguments...
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"Martin" from "Europe" embraces the Nazi race laws that Judaism is not a religion but a race. As a result, he questions whether Trump's daughter is real Jew - just like Hitler. He continues to falsely imply that Hitler had Jewish relatives but refuses to state what Jewish relative that he is referring too. Name Hitler's Jewish relative or admit this is another hoax.
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"Martin" from "Europe" embraces the Nazi race laws that Judaism is not a religion but a race. As a result, he questions whether Trump's daughter is real Jew - just like Hitler. He continues to falsely imply that Hitler had Jewish relatives but refuses to state what Jewish relative that he is referring too. Name Hitler's Jewish relative or admit this is another hoax.
"Martin" from "Europe" embraces the Nazi race laws that Judaism is not a religion but a race.
Did I?
Name Hitler's Jewish relative or admit this is another hoax.
Do your own research! People who are claiming Hitler did not have a Jewish relative are defending him!
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Peter Goth part of the Weidmann fan club! Yay Team!
(https://i.postimg.cc/J7HbrtH8/goth-weidmann-2.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MKk1vx1Q/goth-weidmann.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G2HvsmMk/goth-weidmann-3.jpg)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/TwFgjvSB/goth-weidmann-4.jpg)
Referring to Weidmann
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JohnM
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Oh, golly, my bad.
Tom Sorenson, his wife Tilly and their three little Sorensens just appeared at the door and blessed me and the Mrs. with a lovely plate of chocolate chip cookies. Apparently, they drove 300 miles from a location they'd prefer not to disclose, and I respect that. Tom even answered my legal brain-buster while admitting his lawyer skills had become kind of rusty since his disbarment. Tilly did call the Mrs. a paranoid LN whack-job, and little Pudgie Sorensen (God, is he cute!) kicked my aged cat, but otherwise the visit went well and satisfied my clearly unfounded concerns.
Egg on my face, that's for sure.
Now I'm off to a golf tournament in Sydney for several days, so hopefully Tom, Martin, Roger, Otto and Peter can straighten out Who's on First and things can return to abnormal.
Sorry about that!
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Peter Goth part of the Weidmann fan club! Yay Team!
(https://i.postimg.cc/J7HbrtH8/goth-weidmann-2.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MKk1vx1Q/goth-weidmann.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G2HvsmMk/goth-weidmann-3.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/d3Cd4Sc3/goth-weidmann-5.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/TwFgjvSB/goth-weidmann-4.jpg)
Referring to Weidmann
(https://i.postimg.cc/R0PcFHTS/goth-weidmann-6.jpg)
JohnM
All this and it never crossed your mind that he simply agreed with me? Wow!
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"Martin" from "Europe" who doesn't understand the metric system asks me to "research" Hitler's ancestry when I've already indicated that Hitler did not have any Jewish relatives. None. That is a lie. Instead of supporting "Martin" from "Europe's" claim to the contrary, he just spins contrarian nonsense endlessly. So again name Hitler's Jewish relative or acknowledge that you are an anti-Semite.
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Here's Otto, Goth and Weidmann ALL ganging up on DVP!
(https://i.postimg.cc/DyFm9zqB/otto-goth-weidmann.jpg)
JohnM
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"Martin" from "Europe" who doesn't understand the metric system asks me to "research" Hitler's ancestry when I've already indicated that Hitler did not have any Jewish relatives. None. That is a lie. Instead of supporting "Martin" from "Europe's" claim to the contrary, he just spins contrarian nonsense endlessly. So again name Hitler's Jewish relative or acknowledge that you are an anti-Semite.
"Martin" from "Europe" who doesn't understand the metric system asks me to "research" Hitler's ancestry when I've already indicated that Hitler did not have any Jewish relatives. None.
Yeah, that's what the Hitler loving extreme right has been saying for decades.
I'm not sure what understanding the metric system, I grew up with, has anything to do with it, but I'm dealing with a completely disturbed LN, so I'll just leave it at that.
So again name Hitler's Jewish relative or acknowledge that you are an anti-Semite.
So, being a Jew myself you want me to declare myself to be an anti-Semite? Really?
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Here's Otto, Goth and Weidmann ALL ganging up on DVP!
(https://i.postimg.cc/DyFm9zqB/otto-goth-weidmann.jpg)
JohnM
So, if more than one person disagrees with DVP, they must be the same person?
Oh boy, this paranoia is getting pathetic.
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All this and it never crossed your mind that he simply agreed with me? Wow!
If I weren't so sure I was wrong, I might point out that these alternate Martins seem to have an odd propensity for disappearing after only a few posts. Just a coinkydink, I guess. Since I'm munching on Tilly Sorensen's cookies right now, it has to be a coinkydink - right? Maybe Tom and Martin will each post 93 times in the coming week, get into a huge feud, and show us once and for all how wrong I have been.
"Peter Goth," in his 96-post tenure, likewise detested Trump, favored exceedingly snarky and insulting one-liners, despised John Mytton, and responded to an uncanny number of "Martin's" posts with nothing more than the proverbial Thumb1:. One might almost call him a Martin cheerleader, which is the preferred role of sock puppets - yes? Coinkydink, surely?
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So, if more than one person disagrees with DVP, they must be the same person?
Oh boy, this paranoia is getting pathetic.
Both Otto and Goth's very first posts were both attacking DVP, nah just a coincidence!
And then you joined in a few days later, nah just another coincidence!
JohnM
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If I weren't so sure I was wrong, I might point out that these alternate Martins seem to have an odd propensity for disappearing after only a few posts. Just a coinkydink, I guess. Since I'm munching on Tilly Sorensen's cookies right now, it has to be a coinkydink - right? Maybe Tom and Martin will each post 93 times in the coming week, get into a huge feud, and show us once and for all how wrong I have been.
"Peter Goth," in his 96-post tenure, likewise detested Trump, favored exceedingly snarky and insulting one-liners, despised John Mytton, and responded to an uncanny number of "Martin's" posts with nothing more than the proverbial Thumb1:. One might almost call him a Martin cheerleader, which is the preferred role of sock puppets - yes? Coinkydink, surely?
OK, you're officially just as paranoid as the other LN nut jobs who simply can't deal with somebody who disagrees with them.
Having said that, if this kind of superficial "research" is convincing to you, then I understand perfectly your LN point of view.
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If I weren't so sure I was wrong, I might point out that these alternate Martins seem to have an odd propensity for disappearing after only a few posts. Just a coinkydink, I guess. Since I'm munching on Tilly Sorensen's cookies right now, it has to be a coinkydink - right? Maybe Tom and Martin will each post 93 times in the coming week, get into a huge feud, and show us once and for all how wrong I have been.
"Peter Goth," in his 96-post tenure, likewise detested Trump, favored exceedingly snarky and insulting one-liners, despised John Mytton, and responded to an uncanny number of "Martin's" posts with nothing more than the proverbial Thumb1:. One might almost call him a Martin cheerleader, which is the preferred role of sock puppets - yes? Coinkydink, surely?
Dear Lance,
I detest Trump.
Don't you detest Trump?
-- Tom
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Both Otto and Goth's very first posts were both attacking DVP, nah just a coincidence!
And then you joined in a few days later, nah just another coincidence!
JohnM
Just like you and Lance having the same opinion is a coincidence?
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Just like you and Lance having the same opinion is a coincidence?
I thought I was Lance and had a Legal education and didn't live in my Parents basement, Damn!
So thank you very much Martin, for ruining my fantasies! :'(
BTW, Lance has openly poo pooed some of my opinions and I agree to disagree but if he ever did come to Australia, I'd gladly shout him a beer! Whereas you, not so much, but there is still time for you to impress me, so impress away!
JohnM
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I thought I was Lance and had a Legal education and didn't live in my Parents basement, Damn!
So thank you very much Martin, for ruining my fantasies! :'(
BTW, Lance has openly poo pooed some of my opinions and I agree to disagree but if he ever did come to Australia, I'd gladly shout him a beer! Whereas you, not so much, but there is still time for you to impress me, so impress away!
JohnM
Well, one thing is for sure. Your name is not John Mytton and you don't live in Sidney.
You indeed never had a legal education, which is something that's exposed by just about every post you write,
BTW, Lance has openly poo pooed some of my opinions and I agree to disagree but if he ever did come to Australia, I'd gladly shout him a beer!
You are trying too hard to make a point.
Whereas you, not so much, but there is still time for you to impress me, so impress away!
Why would I want to impress a loser troll like you?
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Well, one thing is for sure. Your name is not John Mytton and you don't live in Sidney.
You indeed never had a legal education, which is something that's exposed by just about every post you write,
BTW, Lance has openly poo pooed some of my opinions and I agree to disagree but if he ever did come to Australia, I'd gladly shout him a beer!
You are trying too hard to make a point.
Whereas you, not so much, but there is still time for you to impress me, so impress away!
Why would I want to impress a loser troll like you?
Well, one thing is for sure. Your name is not John Mytton
No kidding Einstein, as I have repeatedly said for many years, I USE AN ALIAS, so as to protect my family and myself from radical CT's such as yourself, who google my name and attempt to track me down! Yowsers!
and you don't live in Sidney.
You're right I don't live in Sidney, I live in Sydney with a "Y"!
BTW, Lance has openly poo pooed some of my opinions and I agree to disagree but if he ever did come to Australia, I'd gladly shout him a beer!
You are trying too hard to make a point.
Which point?
Whereas you, not so much, but there is still time for you to impress me, so impress away!
Why would I want to impress a loser troll like you?
That's not how you impress someone Martin! If you keep carrying on like this, you won't be getting a Christmas card this year!
JohnM
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No kidding Einstein, as I have repeatedly said for many years, I USE AN ALIAS, so as to protect my family and myself from radical CT's such as yourself, who google my name and attempt to track me down! Yowsers!
You're right I don't live in Sidney, I live in Sydney with a "Y"!
Which point?
That's not how you impress someone Martin! If you keep carrying on like this, you won't be getting a Christmas card this year!
JohnM
If you keep carrying on like this, you won't be getting a Christmas card this year!
Why would I want a Christmas card from you?
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If you keep carrying on like this, you won't be getting a Christmas card this year!
Why would I want a Christmas card from you?
Here's some lovely Christmas cards for Roger, Otto, Gothy and you!! Could you give me their addresses?
(https://i.postimg.cc/B6SPxQMh/Christmas-card-for-Martin.jpg)
JohnM
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Hi all,
My name is Tim Nickerson. People call me Tim Nickerson.
(https://i.imgur.com/MtTj2fG.gif)
"It's a household name."
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"Martin" claims to be from "Europe" yet is apparently ignorant of the metric system. He claims to have relatives who died in the Holocaust yet espouses bizarre anti-Semitic Nazi-like beliefs like Trump's daughter is not a real Jew because she "converted." He falsely claimed Hitler had Jewish relatives as part of his nutty anti-Semitic rant. He is one of two contrarian nuts on this forum that I refuse to address.
What may help is if Martin Weidmann/Roger Collins would FINALLY debate me on the Tippit case in a live, real-time podcast; not just audio, but video, too.
I can set it up with a non-biased host anytime Weidmann/Collins is ready.
The real question is, why hasn't he accepted this offer made to him in the past?
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"It's a household name."
Indeed it is. With George Forman in mind, if I would have had 3 sons instead of 3 daughters, I would have named them all Tim. ;D
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Dear Lance,
I detest Trump.
Don't you detest Trump?
-- Tom
No, actually I don't. I think he's a hoot. He may or may not destroy the planet, but I think he's a hoot. At 75, what do I care? If he didn't exist, I might have to invent him. The joke that those suffering from TDS don't seem to get - or at least I don't think they get - is that 70% of The Donald is an act, he knows it's an act, and he thinks it's a hoot. My "politics," to use the term loosely, are rather eclectic - voted for Dubya once, Kerry once, Obama twice, Trump twice, and nobody last time because my wife and I screwed up our Trumpean mail-in ballots and said the hell with it. I find it fascinating to wake up each morning and see what The Donald hath wrought - sometimes good, sometimes not so good. I think he sincerely wants to return America to the America of my childhood, which I would do in a heartbeat if I had a magic genie. All the "Russian" stuff? Nah, not a chance.
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Geez, I wake up this morning and "Tom" hasn't weighed in? Tilly assured me she was going to make sure he did, and Pudgie kicked him in the shins and said, "Just do it, Daddy, and prove you're not Uncle Martin!"
Well, anyway, they did stop by "Martin's" on their way home and sent me a dual selfie from their cellphone.
That's Tom on the left, Martin on the right. No, wait, Martin is on the left. No, wait - well, anyhow, that's them ... or two of them of, anyway.
At some point, Team Martin, you will really need to explain (1) why someone who seems to be more or less intelligent plays this game; (2) why he plays it so obviously and badly and persists with it when caught in flagrante delicto; and (3) why all of his alter selves are so bubbling with venom. I - and Pudgie assures me he's on board with this - find it far more fascinating than anything to do with the JFKA.
Now I'm on to Sydney. As John correctly pointed out to you, "Sidney" is one of your sock puppets, Sydney is a city Down Under, mate.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_aXqnCop2_TENqoD31Y1xPIIDDxS08RBIwQ&s)
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What may help is if Martin Weidmann/Roger Collins would FINALLY debate me on the Tippit case in a live, real-time podcast; not just audio, but video, too.
I can set it up with a non-biased host anytime Weidmann/Collins is ready.
The real question is, why hasn't he accepted this offer made to him in the past?
It's that damn Tom. He's the holdout.
Really, folks, I could go on like this all day.
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Sydney on the top, "Sidney" on the bottom. Just trying to be helpful, sport.
OK, my wife says no more coffee for me this morning.
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Here's some lovely Christmas cards for Roger, Otto, Gothy and you!! Could you give me their addresses?
(https://i.postimg.cc/B6SPxQMh/Christmas-card-for-Martin.jpg)
JohnM
Why don't you give me yours and I will pass it on if I ever meet them?
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What may help is if Martin Weidmann/Roger Collins would FINALLY debate me on the Tippit case in a live, real-time podcast; not just audio, but video, too.
I can set it up with a non-biased host anytime Weidmann/Collins is ready.
The real question is, why hasn't he accepted this offer made to him in the past?
Because the mini debate we had on this forum clearly showed that there is no point to have a debate when you make up "facts" as you go along as well as ignore evidence that proves you wrong.
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I'm going to let you kids play all by yourself from now on. I have to go to Yorkshire for a strategy meeting. Thumb1:
Perhaps I will meet Vincent Baxter there. Haven't heard from him since he suddenly disappeared in 2022.
Oh wait, my memory is playing tricks on me. Now I remember; he disappeared just after I called him out as being "Mytton".
So, I guess he won't be in Yorkshire after all. Just forget I mentioned it....
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All the "Russian" stuff? Nah, not a chance.
Dear Lance,
Boy oh boy, you're a lot more naive than I realized.
Just curious: Do you think Trump will be as much of a "hoot" as Hitler and Stalin were?
-- Tom
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Because the mini debate we had on this forum clearly showed that there is no point to have a debate when you make up "facts" as you go along as well as ignore evidence that proves you wrong.
The mini-debate we had here on this forum was over an irrelevant issue and had zero effect on whether or not Oswald killed Tippit.
You most certainly did not show evidence which proved me wrong. In fact, the police tapes prove me right. You simply don't know how to read them when you listen.
I would think you would jump at the chance to "prove me wrong" for all to see. To me, it sounds like a cop-out on your part, if I'm being honest.
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Perhaps I will meet Vincent Baxter there. Haven't heard from him since he suddenly disappeared in 2022.
Oh wait, my memory is playing tricks on me. Now I remember; he disappeared just after I called him out as being "Mytton".
So, I guess he won't be in Yorkshire after all. Just forget I mentioned it....
Oh gee whiz you caught me, and I guess it's too bad that my Sock Puppet didn't just disappear like others mentioned in this thread, but was here online just a few days before all this hit the fan!? Ouch!
(https://i.postimg.cc/ncWMxnKN/Vincent-Baxter-profile.jpg)
I had a look through Vincent's posts and he independently called out Otto for being Weidmann and you went into your usual hysterics about me being him and offered a 100,000 dollar reward to prove Otto was in fact Weidmann, it's actually quite pathetic!
BTW in Peter Goth's very first post what is interesting is that he emphasized that he was not a CT(which in itself is very unique), but with every post he proved the exact opposite, sound familiar Weidmann who is well known in these parts as "Mr I'm NOT a CT"! LOL!
Also funny is the original purpose of this Sock Puppet was to attack DVP on the legality of using Ed Forum posts on DVP's website, so to give this alias some form of authority in a legal sense, Goth's very first line is "I'm a writer" and then Goth in his subsequent posts reinforces his validity as a "writer" by responding mostly with one liners and emojis! Hilarious!
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBmdDVbh/otto-goth-weidmann.jpg)
JohnM
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Oh gee whiz you caught me, and I guess it's too bad that my Sock Puppet didn't just disappear like others mentioned in this thread, but was here online just a few days before all this hit the fan!? Ouch!
(https://i.postimg.cc/ncWMxnKN/Vincent-Baxter-profile.jpg)
I had a look through Vincent's posts and he independently called out Otto for being Weidmann and you went into your usual hysterics about me being him and offered a 100,000 dollar reward to prove Otto was in fact Weidmann, it's actually quite pathetic!
BTW in Peter Goth's very first post what is interesting is that he emphasized that he was not a CT(which in itself is very unique), but with every post he proved the exact opposite, sound familiar Weidmann who is well known in these parts as "Mr I'm NOT a CT"! LOL!
Also funny is the original purpose of this Sock Puppet was to attack DVP on the legality of using Ed Forum posts on DVP's website, so to give this alias some form of authority in a legal sense, Goth's very first line is "I'm a writer" and then Goth in his subsequent posts reinforces his validity as a "writer" by responding mostly with one liners and emojis! Hilarious!
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBmdDVbh/otto-goth-weidmann.jpg)
JohnM
It's so easy to provoke you. Hilarious...
Oh gee whiz you caught me, and I guess it's too bad that my Sock Puppet didn't just disappear like others mentioned in this thread, but was here online just a few days before all this hit the fan!? Ouch!
As for Baxter, I noted he is still listed, but he hasn't posted anything since 2022. Perhaps he's just waiting for the next time he's needed.
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The mini-debate we had here on this forum was over an irrelevant issue and had zero effect on whether or not Oswald killed Tippit.
You most certainly did not show evidence which proved me wrong. In fact, the police tapes prove me right. You simply don't know how to read them when you listen.
I would think you would jump at the chance to "prove me wrong" for all to see. To me, it sounds like a cop-out on your part, if I'm being honest.
The mini-debate we had here on this forum was over an irrelevant issue and had zero effect on whether or not Oswald killed Tippit.
But it did have a bearing on the timeline.
You most certainly did not show evidence which proved me wrong. In fact, the police tapes prove me right. You simply don't know how to read them when you listen.
And this is exactly why it is a complete waste of time to have a debate with you. You will simply ignore the evidence that shows you are wrong.
I would think you would jump at the chance to "prove me wrong" for all to see.
Why would I jump at that chance? In all the years that we have been talking you haven't once admitted that you were or even could be wrong about anything. I know you claim you have, but the truth is that you haven't.
With that in mind, talking to a brick wall would make more sense for me.
To me, it sounds like a cop-out on your part, if I'm being honest.
Trying to provoke me? It won't work. If you had been more honest in the mini debate, I might have considered taken it to the next level, but that ship has long sailed.
In fact, if you were being honest right now, you would have to admit there is nothing I could say or show you in a debate that would make you change your mind for 0.000001%
There is one thing I do wonder about, though.. Why are you so desperate to debate me?
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Your Sock Puppet Committee would note that Tom has not even logged on since I started this thread, indeed not since I responded to his nasty comment that precipitated this thread. I hope I didn't hurt his imaginary feelings. Now that Martin has spent the 4.2 seconds it takes to change one's time settings, he and Tom are a full hour apart. One might think this would provide a sufficient safety net for Tom to start posting again without fear of being accused of non-existence by your Committee.
Martin's new time zone, BTW, places him on a small fishing vessel somewhere in the Atlantic, or possibly an internet cafe in Banjul. Gambia (which your Committee believes may in fact be a sock puppet country created by The Donald for purposes unknown but surely nefarious).
Your Committee does admire the sheer sock puppet chutzpah with which Martin simply carries on as though his goofy facade had not been reamed, steamed and drycleaned. Actually, Martin, your Committee thinks you should just start over with an entirely new gig. We're going to suggest "Fuzzy Wuzzy" so you don't even have to pretend to be a person; yes, you can be an actual sock puppet and fulfill these deviant fantasies that seem to possess you.
Just flew back from Sydney and, boy, are my arms tired! Ba-da-boom, ba-da-ba, a little song, a little dance, a little seltzer in your pants.
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Your Sock Puppet Committee would note that Tom has not even logged on since I started this thread, indeed not since I responded to his nasty comment that precipitated this thread. I hope I didn't hurt his imaginary feelings. Now that Martin has spent the 4.2 seconds it takes to change one's time settings, he and Tom are a full hour apart. One might think this would provide a sufficient safety net for Tom to start posting again without fear of being accused of non-existence by your Committee.
Martin's new time zone, BTW, places him on a small fishing vessel somewhere in the Atlantic, or possibly an internet cafe in Banjul. Gambia (which your Committee believes may in fact be a sock puppet country created by The Donald for purposes unknown but surely nefarious).
Your Committee does admire the sheer sock puppet chutzpah with which Martin simply carries on as though his goofy facade had not been reamed, steamed and drycleaned. Actually, Martin, your Committee thinks you should just start over with an entirely new gig. We're going to suggest "Fuzzy Wuzzy" so you don't even have to pretend to be a person; yes, you can be an actual sock puppet and fulfill these deviant fantasies that seem to possess you.
Just flew back from Sydney and, boy, are my arms tired! Ba-da-boom, ba-da-ba, a little song, a little dance, a little seltzer in your pants.
Now that Martin has spent the 4.2 seconds it takes to change one's time settings, he and Tom are a full hour apart.
Which means that your "full meta-analysis" is completely bogus.
Martin's new time zone, BTW, places him on a small fishing vessel somewhere in the Atlantic, or possibly an internet cafe in Banjul.
So, you don't even know how GMT works.... I'm at GMT + 1 not minus 1
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Your Sock Puppet Committee is, of course, merely an advisory body with no rule-making authority. Nevertheless, by a vote of 5-2, with one abstention, your Committee is recommending to the Site Owner the following addition to the Forum Rules:
Use of Sock Puppets
The use of Sock Puppets (as hereinafter defined) is not expressly prohibited inasmuch as these imaginary creatures can provide insights into the Owner Member’s psychological fitness and be a source for mirth for others. HOWEVER, the use of Sock Puppets solely to agree with the Owner Member’s posts (e.g., “Damn right, big guy!”, “I must concur with Martin here,” Thumb1:) is PROHIBITED and may result in discipline for both the Owner Member and the Sock Puppet. Contributions by Sock Puppets shall be reasonably substantive and/or droll (in the sole discretion of the Site Owner). Sock Puppets who disagree with their Owner Member and/or call him silly names are encouraged. To prevent deception and confusion, all Sock Puppets shall include the Owner Member’s name as part of the Sock Puppet’s name (e.g., “Martin’s Cutie,” “Martin’s Little Buddy,” etc.). Members who find this to be an excessive creative challenge are referred to the useful Fantasy Name Generator, https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/puppet-names.php. If the Owner Member's name is itself a fake name, the Owner Member shall use the "FN" (Fake Name) identifier in the Sock Puppet's name, to wit: "FN Martin's Fuzzy Wuzzy." A Sock Puppet shall be either male or female and shall retain the gender assigned at birth for the duration of said Sock Puppet's imaginary existence. No member shall own more than five (5) Sock Puppets at any given time. If a Sock Puppet is retired, the Owner Member shall give appropriate notice to the Site Owner and the Forum. The death or banning of an Owner Member shall be deemed to cause the expiration of all affiliated Sock Puppets. Violations of the Forum Rules by a Sock Puppet shall be deemed a violation by the Member Owner unless such violations are exceedingly witty (in the sole discretion of the Site Owner). Contributions by Sock Puppets may not be accompanied by disgusting noises generated by the Fart Machine, https://fart-machine.com/, whereas other members may (and are encouraged to) respond to a Sock Puppet's contributions with said noises as deemed appropriate. As used herein, the term “Sock Puppet” shall mean an imaginary friend that that a psychologically challenged member creates for the purpose of enhancing said member’s Forum experience and providing safety, security and support to said member in his posting activities.
Effective 4/23/25.
All Sock Puppets existing as of the Effective Date are hereby assigned to Sock Puppet Heaven. If a member wishes to resurrect such a Sock Puppet, he may do so in accordance with this Rule. For example, "Tom Sorensen," may he rest in peace, may be resurrected as "FN Martin's Tom Sorenson" if the Owner Member so desires. Alternatively, "Tom Sorensen" may be resurrected as, for example, "FN Martin's Cuddly Wuddly" so long as the first post by the resurrected Sock Puppet clearly states, in bold font, "I used to be Tom Sorensen."
It took 40+ years, but I just KNEW going to law school would come in handy some day.
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Your Sock Puppet Committee is, of course, merely an advisory body with no rule-making authority. Nevertheless, by a vote of 5-2, with one abstention, your Committee is recommending to the Site Owner the following addition to the Forum Rules:
Use of Sock Puppets
The use of Sock Puppets (as hereinafter defined) is not expressly prohibited inasmuch as these imaginary creatures can provide insights into the Owner Member’s psychological fitness and be a source for mirth for others. HOWEVER, the use of Sock Puppets solely to agree with the Owner Member’s posts (e.g., “Damn right, big guy!”, “I must concur with Martin here,” Thumb1:) is PROHIBITED and may result in discipline for both the Owner Member and the Sock Puppet. Contributions by Sock Puppets shall be reasonably substantive and/or droll (in the sole discretion of the Site Owner). Sock Puppets who disagree with their Owner Member and/or call him silly names are encouraged. To prevent deception and confusion, all Sock Puppets shall include the Owner Member’s name as part of the Sock Puppet’s name (e.g., “Martin’s Cutie,” “Martin’s Little Buddy,” etc.). Members who find this to be an excessive creative challenge are referred to the useful Fantasy Name Generator, https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/puppet-names.php. If the Owner Member's name is itself a fake name, the Owner Member shall use the "FN" (Fake Name) identifier in the Sock Puppet's name, to wit: "FN Martin's Fuzzy Wuzzy." A Sock Puppet shall be either male or female and shall retain the gender assigned at birth for the duration of said Sock Puppet's imaginary existence. No member shall own more than five (5) Sock Puppets at any given time. If a Sock Puppet is retired, the Owner Member shall give appropriate notice to the Site Owner and the Forum. The death or banning of an Owner Member shall be deemed to cause the expiration of all affiliated Sock Puppets. Violations of the Forum Rules by a Sock Puppet shall be deemed a violation by the Member Owner unless such violations are exceedingly witty (in the sole discretion of the Site Owner). Contributions by Sock Puppets may not be accompanied by disgusting noises generated by the Fart Machine, https://fart-machine.com/, whereas other members may (and are encouraged to) respond to a Sock Puppet's contributions with said noises as deemed appropriate. As used herein, the term “Sock Puppet” shall mean an imaginary friend that that a psychologically challenged member creates for the purpose of enhancing said member’s Forum experience and providing safety, security and support to said member in his posting activities.
Effective 4/23/25.
All Sock Puppets existing as of the Effective Date are hereby assigned to Sock Puppet Heaven. If a member wishes to resurrect such a Sock Puppet, he may do so in accordance with this Rule. For example, "Tom Sorensen," may he rest in peace, may be resurrected as "FN Martin's Tom Sorenson" if the Owner Member so desires. Alternatively, "Tom Sorensen" may be resurrected as, for example, "FN Martin's Cuddly Wuddly" so long as the first post by the resurrected Sock Puppet clearly states, in bold font, "I used to be Tom Sorensen."
It took 40+ years, but I just KNEW going to law school would come in handy some day.
I happen to know a guy who also went to law school. He was the janitor.
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I happen to know a guy who also went to law school. He was the janitor.
Named "Tom Sorensen," by any chance? Is this what you meant by "one of my old Law Professors" in your exchange with John? I suppose cleaning the urinals does give one a certain level of attachment to the users.
Keep trying.
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Named "Tom Sorensen," by any chance? Is this what you meant by "one of my old Law Professors" in your exchange with John? I suppose cleaning the urinals does give one a certain level of attachment to the users.
Keep trying.
No, Tom Sorensen isn't one of my old Law Professors.
Keep writing. The more you write, the more you expose that you are "Mytton" or at least his twin brother.
One thing is for sure, you have the same ego as "Mytton" and are just as easily provoked. That's a bad quality for a lawyer. For a janitor not so much.
Greetings from Banjul! :D
Btw, have you figured out how GMT works?
Just one more question if I may. I'm just curious, you said you just flew back from Sydney;
Just flew back from Sydney and, boy, are my arms tired! Ba-da-boom, ba-da-ba, a little song, a little dance, a little seltzer in your pants.
but there is no way you could have flown to Australia and back in such a short time frame. Did you perhaps mean Sydney, Florida?
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I’m not sure who should be more flattered that Martin thinks Lance Payette and John Mytton are the same person – Lance or John? If I am in fact John, I’ve been posting here since 2018 and have accumulated 4,784 posts. Golly, I’ve been busy! Odd that I would have initially adopted the name of a 19th century British eccentric and then shifted to a retired but very much living Arizona lawyer, eh, but perhaps I’m just funny that way. Contrarian that I am, I start out with my sock puppet and then shift to my real identity seven years later!
Anyhoo, Martin has kindly pointed out that I confused Greenwich Mean Time with the Space-Time Continuum and thus incorrectly placed him on a dinghy in the Atlantic. My bad.
I have thought for 50 years that the UK was always 8 hours ahead of Arizona. I apparently failed to take into account some wacky permutation called British Summer Time. Thanks to it, when it’s noon in Arizona it’s apparently Christmas morning in the UK. Now that’s just weird. In any event, BST is 9 hours ahead of Arizona.
At present, with Arizona eschewing Daylight Savings Time because we already have enough daylight, thank you, noon in Arizona is 8 PM Greenwich Mean Time. In fact, because we eschew both DST and BST, noon in Arizona is always 8 PM GMT. At least I got my own time setting correct!
Martin, after changing his time zone, is 9 hours ahead of Arizona. So I was incorrect that this places him in shark-infested waters in the Atlantic where he belongs. It actually places him cleaning urinals at Miss Muffy’s Law School for Prodigious Toddlers in Prague, Czech Republic. Sorry, Martin. Or, if he’s on BST, he actually could be cleaning urinals at Oxford, but we’re not going down that road since it gives us a headache.
Oh, yes, what about Tom? Martin believes that because he changed his time zone a couple of days ago, this erases my observation that he and Tom were posting from the same time zone. Apparently, the change works retroactively, like a time machine! I had no idea and stand corrected.
Tom, dull fellow that he is, is in the same time zone as the Forum. This, of course, places Tom cleaning urinals at the Royal Observatory in London, and I’ll have to admit I’m impressed.
The bottom line, time fans, is that because Martin and Tom are now separated by one hour, and this change works retroactively, Tom could not have been writing Martin’s posts because … because … well … oh, the hell with it. It makes sense to Martin, and that should be good enough for the rest of us.
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I’m not sure who should be more flattered that Martin thinks Lance Payette and John Mytton are the same person – Lance or John? If I am in fact John, I’ve been posting here since 2018 and have accumulated 4,784 posts. Golly, I’ve been busy! Odd that I would have initially adopted the name of a 19th century British eccentric and then shifted to a retired but very much living Arizona lawyer, eh, but perhaps I’m just funny that way. Contrarian that I am, I start out with my sock puppet and then shift to my real identity seven years later!
Anyhoo, Martin has kindly pointed out that I confused Greenwich Mean Time with the Space-Time Continuum and thus incorrectly placed him on a dinghy in the Atlantic. My bad.
I have thought for 50 years that the UK was always 8 hours ahead of Arizona. I apparently failed to take into account some wacky permutation called British Summer Time. Thanks to it, when it’s noon in Arizona it’s apparently Christmas morning in the UK. Now that’s just weird. In any event, BST is 9 hours ahead of Arizona.
At present, with Arizona eschewing Daylight Savings Time because we already have enough daylight, thank you, noon in Arizona is 8 PM Greenwich Mean Time. In fact, because we eschew both DST and BST, noon in Arizona is always 8 PM GMT. At least I got my own time setting correct!
Martin, after changing his time zone, is 9 hours ahead of Arizona. So I was incorrect that this places him in shark-infested waters in the Atlantic where he belongs. It actually places him cleaning urinals at Miss Muffy’s Law School for Prodigious Toddlers in Prague, Czech Republic. Sorry, Martin. Or, if he’s on BST, he actually could be cleaning urinals at Oxford, but we’re not going down that road since it gives us a headache.
Oh, yes, what about Tom? Martin believes that because he changed his time zone a couple of days ago, this erases my observation that he and Tom were posting from the same time zone. Apparently, the change works retroactively, like a time machine! I had no idea and stand corrected.
Tom, dull fellow that he is, is in the same time zone as the Forum. This, of course, places Tom cleaning urinals at the Royal Observatory in London, and I’ll have to admit I’m impressed.
The bottom line, time fans, is that because Martin and Tom are now separated by one hour, and this change works retroactively, Tom could not have been writing Martin’s posts because … because … well … oh, the hell with it. It makes sense to Martin, and that should be good enough for the rest of us.
I’m not sure who should be more flattered that Martin thinks Lance Payette and John Mytton are the same person – Lance or John?
Hey, you started this BS. I'm just showing you how it can also work against you. Being the smart lawyer you pretend to be, didn't you figure that out by now?
If I am in fact John, I’ve been posting here since 2018 and have accumulated 4,784 posts. Golly, I’ve been busy! Odd that I would have initially adopted the name of a 19th century British eccentric and then shifted to a retired but very much living Arizona lawyer, eh, but perhaps I’m just funny that way. Contrarian that I am, I start out with my sock puppet and then shift to my real identity seven years later!
How do we know you've shifted to your real identity? Why so defensive all of a sudden?
Earlier in this thread you said that I never denied to be Tom Sorensen;
We note that in your umbrage you do not actually deny that you are in fact "Tom" - or the lovely and talented "Roger Collins," for that matter.
The reason for that is that it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if I deny it or not. Fools like "Mytton" and you will always find a way to disbelieve it and argue the denial isn't true because of the perceived coincidences;
Although what I have described might reasonably be described as an astonishing coincidence,
so, instead, I just pointed out to you the astonishing coincidences between you and "Mytton". How does that make you feel?
Anyhoo, Martin has kindly pointed out that I confused Greenwich Mean Time with the Space-Time Continuum and thus incorrectly placed him on a dinghy in the Atlantic. My bad.
Yeah, you just had the entire world going backwards. No big deal! Just a minor mistake by a learned man, right?
I have thought for 50 years that the UK was always 8 hours ahead of Arizona. I apparently failed to take into account some wacky permutation called British Summer Time. Thanks to it, when it’s noon in Arizona it’s apparently Christmas morning in the UK. Now that’s just weird. In any event, BST is 9 hours ahead of Arizona.
Actually, there is no such thing as British summer time. All of Europe uses Summer time. The biggest part of Europe is always GMT + 1, regardless of winter or summer time.
Martin, after changing his time zone, is 9 hours ahead of Arizona. So I was incorrect that this places him in shark-infested waters in the Atlantic where he belongs. It actually places him cleaning urinals at Miss Muffy’s Law School for Prodigious Toddlers in Prague, Czech Republic. Sorry, Martin. Or, if he’s on BST, he actually could be cleaning urinals at Oxford, but we’re not going down that road since it gives us a headache.
Oh boy, now he's getting nasty while still displaying his ignorance. Prague is indeed in the same GMT + 1 time zone, but so is Paris, Madrid, Amsterdam and Berlin, but not (let's confuse him a bit more) Lisbon.
Perhaps you should take a look at my avatar, which shows the view from my backyard. Does that look like Prague to you?
Oh, yes, what about Tom? Martin believes that because he changed his time zone a couple of days ago, this erases my observation that he and Tom were posting from the same time zone. Apparently, the change works retroactively, like a time machine! I had no idea and stand corrected.
That you had and have no idea was obvious for the first post you write. I don't know where Tom is posting from. What you failed to understand is that any member can set the time in his profile, which means that your so called "full meta-analysis" was utter BS from the beginning. For a "lawyer" your due diligence is pretty pathetic.
Tom, dull fellow that he is, is in the same time zone as the Forum. This, of course, places Tom cleaning urinals at the Royal Observatory in London, and I’ll have to admit I’m impressed.
One more comment that just shows how foolish you are. It is my understanding that Duncan, who created this forum, lives in Scotland (you know the part at the top of Great Britain), so it stands to reason that he set his forum to GMT. To educate you even further; Greenwich is a borough of Greater London. And why do you assume that Tom cleans urinals in London, while I - according to you - am doing the same in Prague? Care to rethink your entire argument by now?
The bottom line, time fans, is that because Martin and Tom are now separated by one hour, and this change works retroactively, Tom could not have been writing Martin’s posts because … because … well … oh, the hell with it. It makes sense to Martin, and that should be good enough for the rest of us.
Would you prefer it's is good enough for "the rest of us" that all your posting in this thread have not been making sense from the beginning?