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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Last post by Jack Nessan on Today at 01:21:01 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 01:07:45 AM
Are you from Russia?

Regardless, by your logic, any female Soviet citizen was able to leave "The Worker's Paradise" (not the scare quotes signifying sarcasm) back in 1962 as easily as Marina Nikolayevna Prusakova did -- just marry a "Handsome Prince Charming" (note those scare quotes, once again, once again signifying sarcasm) American who happens to be a former sharpshooting Marine U-2 radar operator.

Are you from Russia?

No more than Catherine the Great was.

Given LHO's suicide attempt. The Russians wanted Oswald out of Russia
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:07:45 AM »
Quote from: Jack Nessan on Today at 01:03:17 AM
You weren't talking about your second post? I know you like the KGB aspect, I am surprised you were being sarcastic about it. Everyone in Russia can be characterized as a low-level KGB informant.

Are you from Russia?

Regardless, by your logic, any female Soviet citizen was able to leave "The Worker's Paradise" (not the scare quotes signifying sarcasm) back in 1962 as easily as Marina Nikolayevna Prusakova did -- just marry a "Handsome Prince Charming" (note those scare quotes, once again, once again signifying sarcasm) American who happens to be a former sharpshooting Marine U-2 radar operator.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Last post by Jack Nessan on Today at 01:03:17 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 12:50:05 AM
This is my OP:

"A KGB true defector (Major) Pyotr Deriabin (1954), wrote a day or two after the assassination that Marina had to be at least a low-level KGB informant to be allowed to marry her Handsome Prince Charming and leave The Worker's Paradise with him."

Where are the scare quotes you say are in it -- scare quotes which I now realize I should have used so that even you could have understood I was being sarcastic?

You weren't talking about your second post? I know you like the KGB aspect, I am surprised you were being sarcastic about it. Everyone in Russia can be characterized as a low-level KGB informant.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:50:05 AM »
Quote from: Jack Nessan on April 02, 2025, 02:55:40 PM
Would you?

yes

What if I had made it more obvious for you by writing, "Her Handsome Prince Charming" and "The Worker's Paradise" in scare quotes?

Check to make sure but I believe these are scare quotes.

BTW, Deriabin said she had to be at least a low-level informant.

Is she or isn’t she low level?
 
BTW my friend met her in the hallway at the HSCA testimonies. He said she had an unbelievable beautiful flawless complexion. Does that help.

The KGB said she was stupid, lazy, not a good Communist, and that the USSR was happy to get rid of her, yet she was a trained pharmacist, she'd recently been given a raise, and she was a dues-paying member of Komsomol.
 
It is interesting, isn't it, that she'd been a KGB "swallow" in Leningrad, she said she didn't know who her father was but she had a patronym ("Nikolayevna'), her uncle was an MVD colonel, and she spoke English a lot better than she let on?

Possibly all part of her cover to be married to a dufus and act like a non-English speaking housewife in Dallas.

This is my OP:

"A KGB true defector (Major) Pyotr Deriabin (1954), wrote a day or two after the assassination that Marina had to be at least a low-level KGB informant to be allowed to marry her Handsome Prince Charming and leave The Worker's Paradise with him."

Where are the scare quotes you say are in it -- scare quotes which I now realize I should have used so that even you could have understood I was being sarcastic?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Last post by Jack Nessan on Today at 12:42:12 AM »
Quote from: Tom Sorensen on April 02, 2025, 05:44:56 PM
Fond indeed, and it was Richard who came up with the "scope nonsense."

Her contradictory statements are documented; it's a matter of fact. Facts don't care whether you like them or not.

Quote me on that.

There's no supporting evidence for Oswald dry firing a Carcano, only Marina's claim that he did. Why do you hope to win this argument?

Fond indeed, and it was Richard who came up with the "scope nonsense."

OK, it holds no interest. People should forget it was even on the rifle.

Her contradictory statements are documented; it's a matter of fact. Facts don't care whether you like them or not.

If you throw a rock, you will hit a witness who made a contradictory statement in the JFK assassination. Does that mean no one has any credibility?

There's no supporting evidence for Oswald dry firing a Carcano, only Marina's claim that he did. Why do you hope to win this argument?

Not true, CE 543 shell was dryfired in LHO's carcano.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: "There's something new here...3 top CIA officials lied to the JFK investigators"
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:41:51 AM »
Quote from: Jake Maxwell on Today at 12:39:57 AM

Excuse me... we're talking about the CIA officials lying... not ChatGPT... or the name Jesus...

Jefferson Morley isn't one who should be accusing other people of lying.

It's known a hypocrisy.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: "There's something new here...3 top CIA officials lied to the JFK investigators"
« Last post by Jake Maxwell on Today at 12:39:57 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 12:27:32 AM
It's funny how people who hate the CIA always refer to Angleton as James JESUS Angleton, although he didn't particularly like his middle name (his mother was Mexican) and he never used it.

It's obvious that ChatGPT has been fed a bunch of anti-CIA / anti-Angleton garbage by KGB*-influenced "espionage writers" like Tom Mangold (whose primary source in "Cold Warrior" was probable mole Leonard V. McCoy), and by David Wise (whose primary source in "Molehunt" was probable mole George Kisevalter), et al. ad nauseam.

Gag me with a KGB* spoon.

*Today's SVR and FSB


Excuse me... we're talking about the CIA officials lying... not ChatGPT... or the name Jesus...
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: "There's something new here...3 top CIA officials lied to the JFK investigators"
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:27:32 AM »
Quote from: Jake Maxwell on Today at 12:23:10 AM


​Jefferson Morley, a researcher specializing in the JFK assassination, has identified instances where three top CIA officials—James Jesus Angleton, [...].​

James Jesus Angleton: As the CIA's counterintelligence chief [...]

It's funny how people who hate the CIA always refer to Angleton as James JESUS Angleton, although he didn't particularly like his middle name (his mother was Mexican) and he never used it.

It's obvious that ChatGPT has been fed a bunch of anti-CIA / anti-Angleton garbage by KGB*-influenced "espionage writers" like Tom Mangold (whose primary source in "Cold Warrior" was probable mole Leonard V. McCoy), David Wise (whose primary source in "Molehunt" was probable mole George Kisevalter), and Jefferson Morley (who's so messed up that he can't even admit that Yuri "The KGB Had Absolutely Nothing to Do with Oswald in the USSR" Nosenko was a false defector-in-place in June 1962, and a rogue physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964 whom the KGB had no choice but to support his bona fides in the U.S. through Kremlin-loyal agents like Aleksei Kulak, Igor Kochnov, and Vitaly Yurchenko), et al. ad nauseam.

Gag me with a KGB* spoon.

*Today's SVR and FSB
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Warren Commission Sham
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:23:14 AM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Today at 12:15:28 AM
It is difficult to work out the firing sequence for the 2nd shooter if the 1st shot heard by anyone was at Z224 and how to reconcile that with Norman hearing all 3 shots right above him.

That's nothing compared to trying to understand your English.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: "There's something new here...3 top CIA officials lied to the JFK investigators"
« Last post by Jake Maxwell on Today at 12:23:10 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on April 02, 2025, 11:43:30 PM
Oh yeah?

About what?


Here's a good summary from ChatGPT:

​Jefferson Morley, a researcher specializing in the JFK assassination, has identified instances where three top CIA officials—James Jesus Angleton, Richard Helms, and George Joannides—allegedly misled investigators regarding their knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to President Kennedy's assassination.​

James Jesus Angleton: As the CIA's counterintelligence chief, Angleton oversaw a mail interception program that targeted Oswald. He reportedly misrepresented the extent of this surveillance to the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, denying that Oswald had been a specific target. ​

Richard Helms: Serving as Deputy CIA Director in 1964, Helms testified to the Warren Commission that the agency had minimal information about Oswald obtained from other government agencies before Kennedy's assassination. Contrary to this testimony, records indicate that the CIA had been monitoring Oswald's activities since 1959. ​

George Joannides: Joannides was involved in overseeing anti-Castro Cuban exile groups linked to Oswald. He denied any connection to these groups during the House Select Committee's investigation, despite evidence suggesting his direct involvement. ​

Morley contends that these actions by CIA officials may indicate a broader effort to conceal the agency's pre-assassination interest in Oswald from investigators and the public.
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