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Appear, Appear, Appear?

LOL!

How many bad guys and bad gals do you figure were wittingly involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Oodles and gobs?

   Including ALL the Fake Newser's, how many people do you believe were involved in the Cover-up that POTUS Joe Biden was, "Cuckoo-for-Cocoa-Puffs"? These people KNOW their job function. They do Not require a "huddle up" with a QB telling them what to do.   
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Royell Storing on April 08, 2025, 04:12:16 PM »
The 2020 election was a statistical outlier in American politics reflecting the changes in the voting laws in almost every state in the weeks leading up to the election.  Those changes were advantageous to Biden.  Absent those changes, he loses by the same margin or more than Kamala in 2024.  Was it stolen?  Not exactly.  The changes were made legally under a false pretext that it was too dangerous to vote in person.   The country is divided 50-50 with the media working nonstop for the leftists.   In addition, the rich, white woke crowd is donating billions to the Dems.   Kamala had a lot more money than Trump to spend.  With all those disadvantages, Trump still won in 2024.  No other person in American political history could have overcome the money, media bias, assassination attempts, and misuse of the justice system to still win an election.  It's a downright miracle and shows just how disgusted Americans are with the crazy leftist policies including open borders that have brought the country to near ruin.

       People NOW regard the 1960 JFK Election as a stolen election. Down the road, the same will be accepted with respect to the 2020 POTUS Election. You can be all nicey-nice by using verbiage like "outlier", but that is like kowtowing to a thief inside your house. The 2020 election theft is another reason the DEM's are opposed to DOGE. You think these 100+ yr old's with SS #'s are Not also Voting by mail? This is exactly why AG Garland branded Arizona canvass workers as "domestic terrorists" with jail in their future if they proceeded to knock on doors. You go to bed with Trump being elected in 2020 and when you wake up that has been flipped? Really? And this stuff about mail-in ballots were counted late and went heavily for Biden is total  BS: I monitored the election on my computer that night, state by state until 3 AM EST. That crappola late vote counting landslide never happened. Just look at Arizona. Trump trailed by close to 100k there and continued to whittle that down to around 10K when they knew they had to cease counting period. And to remedy this corruption Trump brought Musk and his SpaceX Computer Nerds on board. That is why this hoodwinking was Not repeated in 2024. This is why Harris won Only 19 states. And the Dem's know the jig is up. This is why they are melting down and urging people to "Take Down" Musk.   
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The Epstein book "Legend" is, I think, greatly overlooked. Yes, he fell for Angelton's theory that Oswald was a KGB asset or agent but the book has a great deal of information about Oswald's time in the Marines especially at Atsugi. Epstein interviewed about 35 Marines who were in Oswald's unit (MACS-1), some at the same time he was there, and their description of the security is stunning. Essentially none. Many people on the base were aware of the flights; they didn't know where it went but some suspected they were flown over the USSR.

And as you mentioned before, several Marines said that when Oswald came out of the brig he was completely different. Very angry and distant. From their account the brig was a very tough experience for people to go through. Brutal.

As to the Soviets: I still don't know what they questioned him about. Nosenko said they didn't know about his U-2 knowledge (What? They didn't ask him about his Marine experience?) while others said they did but he didn't know anything that they already knew. I do think that after the attempted suicide they considered him to erratic and nutty to really use.

Thanks Steve, I will put that book on my list. Yes, the brig was reportedly brutal. Plus I think that LHO’s ego just wasn’t able to cope with the situation.
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n b

Thanks Charles,
Given his anger, His reported lifelong need to be a notable person of importance, in starting a brand new life in USSR do you find it more plausible that LHO either hoped to use his military security clearance as a card to play in impressing & gaining prominence with his new communist comrades , or he just decided to never mention a word of it.
I find it hard given what we know about his personality that he had no hopes of parlaying his military intelligence experience into a position of some importance in the communist party ?
Being advised from his new leaders that " we already know all that , now got to work in the factory "  would have been a very bitter pill for him to swallow given his fantasy of having his own office at the Kremlin.
Don't you think it possible that having pinned his grandiose  hopes of becoming a brand new person of political importance in the communist Party thru his military experience, but then being rejected and told to go work in a factory this could be a source of his disillusionment with USSR and be the source of his returning to home.

Most of us cannot fathom what must have been going through the mind of someone cowardly enough to take a high powered rifle and shoot (ambush) an unarmed man from behind. There are a lot of contradictions in what we do have evidence of. He writes in the same letter of “killing Americans in uniform,” and also of living a normal happy and peaceful life in the USSR. Frankly I do not believe that he had any experience or information that would be of much interest the Soviet intelligence community. And I suspect that LHO also knew that. So, I disagree with your idea.

Some people have a tendency to go way overboard with their political beliefs. Take for example Eric Rudolph who apparently felt it was necessary for him to plant bombs and kill innocent people (including the totally unrelated Olympics venue in Atlanta). Supposedly, all because he was apparently upset about the abortion clinics. I put LHO in a similar category. We are talking about fanatical people and actions that cannot be easily explained by reason. There are quite a few choices that we could try to attribute to LHO’s motive. And all of them could potentially be partially correct. It might have been a combination of those possible motives plus the fact that the opportunity to take a few shots at JFK was too tempting for him to resist. But trying to make the assassination a logical choice is something that I think is probably impossible for most of us to grasp.
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Thanks for both of the above replies Steve. That’s some good information.
The Epstein book "Legend" is, I think, greatly overlooked. Yes, he fell for Angelton's theory that Oswald was a KGB asset or agent but the book has a great deal of information about Oswald's time in the Marines especially at Atsugi. Epstein interviewed about 35 Marines who were in Oswald's unit (MACS-1), some at the same time he was there, and their description of the security is stunning. Essentially none. Many people on the base were aware of the flights; they didn't know where it went but some suspected they were flown over the USSR.

And as you mentioned before, several Marines said that when Oswald came out of the brig he was completely different. Very angry and distant. From their account the brig was a very tough experience for people to go through. Brutal.

As to the Soviets: I still don't know what they questioned him about. Nosenko said they didn't know about his U-2 knowledge (What? They didn't ask him about his Marine experience?) while others said they did but he didn't know anything that they already knew. I do think that after the attempted suicide they considered him too erratic and nutty to use for anything. Although on the other hand - there's always two or three of these in this, isn't there? - they did let him leave pretty easily. It took awhile to go through the Soviet and US bureaucracies but they essentially let him go with little opposition.
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Where is the location / locations of discovery of these three large pieces of skull that in the little information provided appear to have arrived late to the autopsy party in Bethesda , from Dallas.
The large pieces of skull delivered by Secret Service agents, " After Midnight "
It seems to me that in a murder investigation the location of where each of these skull pieces were found would be carefully documented ?
Anyone know where each of these skull pieces were found ?
Someone must know where each of these 3 large skull pieces fitting the gaping hole in his head so perfectly like a jigsaw puzzle were found ?
Anyone ?

.s.[31] They noted the largest fragment had what appeared to be an exit wound, confirmed when X-rays found metal fragments
Three skull bone fragments were received as separate specimens, roughly corresponding to the dimensions of the large defect. In the largest of the fragments is a portion of the perimeter of a roughly circular wound presumably of exit, exhibiting beveling of the exterior of the bone, and measuring about 2.5 to 3.0 centimetres (0.98 to 1.18 in). "
After midnight, three skull fragments discovered by the Secret Service were brought to the pathologists.[31] They noted the largest fragment had what appeared to be an exit wound, confirmed when X-rays found metal fragments
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My understanding of the explanation for Russia’s ability to shoot down U2 spy planes is that the development of their anti-aircraft missiles finally reached a point where their missiles could ascend to a high enough altitude. Before that, the U2 spy planes were simply out of their reach. I believe that due to the fact that this happened while LHO was in Russia is just another one of those “strange” coincidences that happened. I ask: what could LHO have possibly told them about the U2 that would have enabled their missiles to reach higher altitudes. I don’t believe LHO’s presence in Russia had anything at all to do with that development.

To try to answer your question, it appears to me that LHO was still extremely angry about his court martial and incarceration in the USMC. I believe that he therefore considered the U.S. to be his “enemy.” Some of the language in his letters to his brother Robert is evidence of this. I believe that LHO eventually realized, after spending some time in Russia, that it was not the utopia that he had envisioned before he went there. When he returned to the U.S. it appears to me that his hopes for a “utopian existence” turned towards Cuba.

JFK’s inaugural speech contained the following quote:

”And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”

Sadly, LHO appears to me to have believed the opposite of what JFK was saying. And even sadder, it appears to me that LHO was eager to use violence to try to change a system that he felt was “rigged against him.” I believe that LHO’s disillusionment  was due in large part to a lack of proper upbringing.

Parents have a huge responsibility to teach their children how to prosper not only physically but mentally, spiritually, and financially. I believe that the JFK assassination is an extreme example of what can happen when parents fail in their responsibilities.
n b

Thanks Charles,
Given his anger, His reported lifelong need to be a notable person of importance, in starting a brand new life in USSR do you find it more plausible that LHO either hoped to use his military security clearance as a card to play in impressing & gaining prominence with his new communist comrades , or he just decided to never mention a word of it.
I find it hard given what we know about his personality that he had no hopes of parlaying his military intelligence experience into a position of some importance in the communist party ?
Being advised from his new leaders that " we already know all that , now got to work in the factory "  would have been a very bitter pill for him to swallow given his fantasy of having his own office at the Kremlin.
Don't you think it possible that having pinned his grandiose  hopes of becoming a brand new person of political importance in the communist Party thru his military experience, but then being rejected and told to go work in a factory this could be a source of his disillusionment with USSR and be the source of his returning to home.


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A lot of people don't realize exactly how insane Oswald really was. In the following excerpt from a letter to Robert his brother, Oswald says and I'm paraphrasing here, Oswald would defend his new country by killing any American and then repeats and highlights -Any American-, clearly insinuating he would even kill his own brother!



JohnM



The last sentence visible in that image of the letter to Robert Oswald probably best answers the question that Watson Phillips asked. LHO himself wrote that he wanted to lead a “normal happy and peaceful life” in the USSR.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Richard Smith on April 08, 2025, 01:25:28 PM »
The Democrats win the 2020 Presidential Election by 7.0 million. But that makes no real difference. But when Trump wins in 2024 by 2.3 million, one third the 2020 Biden margin "The DEI Camp is in the minority" or "We have the mandate to do anything".

The Democrats are no longer in the minority, not even by a slim margin. Don't take my word for it. Trump withdrew a nomination so a Republican candidate does not have to try to win a district Trump won by 21 per cent in November. The Texas governor is not going to allow a congressional election to replace a diseased congressman until forced to in November 2026. Clearly, the Republican leadership no longer consider Democrats to be in the minority. While they can try to hold off the inevitable, a recogning is coming in November 2026 and the Republicans do not know what to do about it.

The 2020 election was a statistical outlier in American politics reflecting the changes in the voting laws in almost every state in the weeks leading up to the election.  Those changes were advantageous to Biden.  Absent those changes, he loses by the same margin or more than Kamala in 2024.  Was it stolen?  Not exactly.  The changes were made legally under a false pretext that it was too dangerous to vote in person.   The country is divided 50-50 with the media working nonstop for the leftists.   In addition, the rich, white woke crowd is donating billions to the Dems.   Kamala had a lot more money than Trump to spend.  With all those disadvantages, Trump still won in 2024.  No other person in American political history could have overcome the money, media bias, assassination attempts, and misuse of the justice system to still win an election.  It's a downright miracle and shows just how disgusted Americans are with the crazy leftist policies including open borders that have brought the country to near ruin.
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A lot of people don't realize exactly how insane Oswald really was. In the following excerpt from a letter to Robert his brother, Oswald says and I'm paraphrasing here, Oswald would defend his new country by killing any American and then repeats and highlights -Any American-, clearly insinuating he would even kill his own brother!

He was a Marxist.

D'oh
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