Rapid Weapon Wiping "chat" vs Were Lifton & Garrison backfired CIA, LHOs?

[Tom Scully]

Are forum readers distracted by "wiping the weapon quickly" and "Prayperson" related threads? Is the distraction deliberate, or at least intended to divert, by their authors? Are readers troubled by the implications of Priscilla's testimony, vs her actual background?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95330&search=priscilla_and+letter#relPageId=4&tab=page

https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=priscilla%20and%20letter&types=D&from=1
101. No Title, pg 47
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (staff notes)
Priscilla Johnson McMillan (Cont'd) McMillan stated that she is "absolutely baffled by what 'outfit' means in that letter."
(p. 60; see also pp. 86, 87) She did not know whether she received this letter in June of 1965. She did not know who wrote the letter.

http://archive.is/esTuB
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https://archive.is/o/esTuB/www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=95330&relPageId=42

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Lifton has stated he found nothing suspicious about Priscilla or Marina. His book on JFK surgical corpse alteration became an NY Times best seller, Garrison's investigation became a prominent film component of American culture.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/T%20Disk/Thornley%20Kerry%20Wendell%20--%20Lifton%20David/Item%2004.pdf
In two fields David Lifton can lay genuine claim to
jfk.hood.edu/.../Thornley%20Kerry%20Wendell%20--%20Lifton%20David/ Item%2004.pdf

….-Kerry Thornley will be fortunate indeed to survive Dave's "friend- ship" ... It is perfectly proper for Lifton and Thornley to cook up an untrue story on John Rene  ..

The evidence I have uncovered, if actually weighed and taken into account, indicates both can reasonably be regarded as CIA sponsored LHOs....Limited Hang Outs...

Note: Much of this has been presented before. LNs and CTs mutually fail to "grok" these irrefutable connections, making no attempt to "work them into" their rather fixed belief systems, and simply proceed with business as usual. However, you cannot make this "stuff" up, it is what it is!

....This much madness
Is too much sorrow
It's impossible
To make it today    -Neil Young

James Phelan "covered" the Garrison Investigation, especially its origins, for The Saturday Evening Post. His daughter claimed Phelan was a "fledgling reporter" when
he married her mother, Dr. Amalie Strauss Deren, in 1945, but he had worked for presidential advisor, Clark M. Clifford's uncle since 1932. In her book, "False Witness" author Patricia Lambert credits Amalie Phelan, alongside members of Lambert's (nee Billings) own family members.

This was reported in August, 1932. On December 24, 1932, Phelan's name appears with names of all owners and employees of the Alton Evening Telegraph.

https://hayner.newspaperarchive.com/alton-evening-telegraph/1932-08-02/page-3/
 Tuesday, August 2, 1932 - page 3
…Aug. 2—James Phelan, a student at the University of Illinois, gave a talk before the Wood River Rotary Club on “Journalism'’ Monday noon. Leonard Altman had charge of the program Phelan is the son of Mr. and Mrs. John Phelan of Lorena avenue...

In this OP, I am not even going to cover James Phelan's relations with George White, a much better known area than this "soup"!

On December 31, 1941, James Phelan married Avis Gant of South Dakota. In September, 1945, Phelan married Dr. Amalie Deren. Amalie was apparently the widow of Dr. Solomon Deren, a Ukrainian immigrant with a daughter of almpst the same age as Amalie's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Deren#Personal_life
Maya Deren (April 29, 1917 – October 13, 1961), born Eleonora Derenkowska (Ukrainian: Елеоно́ра Деренко́вська), was a Ukrainian-born American experimental filmmaker and important promoter of the avant-garde in the 1940s and 1950s. Deren was also a choreographer, dancer, film theorist, poet, lecturer, writer, and photographer. ....
....Early life[edit]
Deren was born in Kiev, Ukraine (then Russian Republic), into a Jewish family, to psychologist Solomon Derenkowsky and Marie Fiedler, who supposedly named her after Italian actress Eleonora Duse.
In 1922, the family fled the USSR because of anti-Semitic pogroms perpetrated by the White Volunteer Army and moved to Syracuse, New York. Her father shortened the family name to "Deren" shortly after they arrived in New York.[2] He became the staff psychiatrist at the State Institute for the Feeble-Minded in Syracuse.
In 1928, she became a naturalized citizen of the United States. Her mother moved to Paris, France to be with her daughter while she attended the League of Nations International School of Geneva in Switzerland from 1930 to 1933.
Deren began college at Syracuse University, where she studied journalism[3] and political science, and also became a highly active socialist leader during the Trotskyist movement.[4] Deren served as National Secretary in the National Student office of the Young People's Socialist League and was a member of the Social Problems Club at Syracuse University through which she met Gregory Bardacke, whom she married at the age of eighteen in June 1935.[4] After his graduation in 1935, she moved to New York City......

The Phelans' crazed daughter, Janet's diatribe (it continues in 2019 and, believe it or not, gets even more "imaginative"...) only a "Fetzerite" could embrace.
She describes assistance from Patricia Lambert.:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/116795.php
The Extermination of Dr. Amalie Phelan
by Janet C. Phelan Sunday, Sep. 12, 2004 at 2:21 PM

The second in a series detailing extermination efforts under the Bush administration
......

In a 2013, NY Daily News article, there happens to be a December, 1963 photo of Marina and Priscilla seated on either side of Jerome Allen "Jerre" Hasty aka Hastings, described by the FBI as a driver/bodyguard and a friend of Priscilla's CIA first cousin, David C Davenport. All well documented, here.:

Colin, I appreciate your reply. Maybe my nose is simply too sensitive. Author Lambert has been quite close to two people. Lifton and Phelan.
Phelan was taught the newspaper biz by his employer of ten thirteen years, by 1945, an uncle of Clark Clifford.

That uncle, was the brother of William D. McAdams.
McAdams's widowed wife, in 1964, just happened to be married to Marina and Priscilla's bodyguard, furnished by Priscilla's first cousin, CIA officer David C Davenport (according to Sam Ballen, supported by description in Davenport's own obit of a "career in intelligence")…..

'Marina and Lee' author, 85, one of few that knew both ...
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/author-85-knew-jfk-killer-oswald-article-1.1525293
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |. Nov 21, 2013 | 6:43 PM. Priscilla Johnson McMillan, 85, the author of 'Marina and Lee,' is one of the few people ... widow of Lee Harvey Oswald, with friend Jerre Hastings (center) and Priscilla Johnson McMillan.

The US Census in 1940 documents Hastings as rooming in the Winnetka, IL home of James Phelan's employer's brother, William Douglas McAdams and his wife, Marguerite. In a 1965 lawsuit, JoAnne McAdams, a first cousin of Clark M. Clifford, claimed Hastings was married to her mother, Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and that
Jerome Hasty and his friend, David Davenport had conspired with physicians to involuntarily commit her in a State of New Mexico mental asylum.

https://jfkfacts.org/listen-in-on-lbj-and-hoover-talk-about-warren-commission/#comment-836963
Tom S.  December 10, 2015 at 11:10 am
Assoc. Prof. McAdams, as a poli-sci expert, do you find any of these “associations” interesting coincidences? Or, is the danger of exposing these details to young minds too great to take the risk of including some of it on your website? Oswald was never afforded voir dire, related to the concept of Warren Commission as judge and jury.

Counsel to the President: A Memoir – Page 28
https://books.google.com/books?id=P6TWAAAAMAAJ&q=clark+m+clifford+represent+douglas+mcadams&dq=clark+m+clifford+represent+douglas+mcadams&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzw_mk2tHJAhVJVh4KHTRpByoQ6AEIHDAA
Clark M. Clifford – 1992 – ‎Snippet view – ‎More editions
A Memoir Clark M. Clifford … My mother’s youngest brother, William Douglas McAdams, went into the advertising business, moved to New York, and….

https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=ssl&ei=0KJpVp_WM4Kf-AXz76_wBw#q=alton+telegraph+mcadams+phelan

James R. Phelan, 85, Is Dead – Biographer of Howard Hughes
http://www.nytimes.com/…/james-r-phelan-85-is-dead-bi...
The New York Times
Sep 12, 1997 – Born in Alton, Ill., Mr. Phelan began his career at The Alton Evening Telegraph, then moved to the West Coast in 1947 to work for newspapers …

Alton Evening Telegraph from Alton, Illinois · Page 18
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/16331176/
Alton Evening Telegraph (Alton, Illinois), Wednesday, December 24, 1941, Page … S. Cousley John D. McAdams, Jr. Henry McAdams Advertising Department L A. … Brunner Mary Pfeiffenberger James Phelan Circulation Department Richard .

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/4425939/
February 9, 1957
Alton Evening Telegraph from Alton, Illinois · Page 10

Mrs. Georgia McAdams Clifford, widow of Frank A. Clifford, and a sister of the late John D. McAdams, business manager of the Telegraph, died Friday M the home of her son, Clark M. Clifford, at Bethesda, Md. She was 76 years old. She was born in Orterville, daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. William Douglas McAdams. Her fa (her wa« a noted archaeologist. The family came to Alton when she was two years old. She was married in 1MO at Denver to Frank A. Clifford of Alton, for many years an official of Missouri Pacific Railroad. They took up residence in St. Louis, where he died in 1942. Mrs. Clifford w .1 s widely known hs a story-teller, and was the author of several books, children’s stories and stories about Indian legends. She conducted story-telling courses at the Alton YWCA. Surviving is a son, Clark McAdams Clifford. Washington attorney, who for four years was special counsel to President Truman. She also leaves five grandchildren and six great-grandchildren. Also surviving are two sisters, Mrs. J. H. Dickey of Decatur and Mrs. Rupert Neely of Portland. Me. A brother, the lat« 21ark McAdams, was editor of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Funeral services will be at noon Tuesday at Lupton Funeral Home, 7233 Delmar Blvd., University City, Mo. Burial will be in St. Patrick’s Cemetery, Alton.

https://hayner.newspaperarchive.com/alton-evening-telegraph/1932-08-02/page-3/
St. Louis Post-Dispatch   02 Feb 1941, Sun  •  Page 3

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Note: Much of this has been presented before. LNs and CTs mutually fail to "grok" these irrefutable connections, making no attempt to "work them into" their rather fixed belief systems, and simply proceed with business as usual. However, you cannot make this "stuff" up, it is what it is!

James Phelan "covered" the Garrison Investigation, especially its origins, for The Saturday Evening Post. His daughter claimed Phelan was a "fledgling reporter" when
he married her mother, Dr. Amalie Strauss Deren, in 1945, but he had worked for presidential advisor, Clark M. Clifford's uncle since 1932. In her book, "False Witness" author Patricia Lambert credits Amalie Phelan, alongside members of Lambert's (nee Billings) own family members.

This was reported in August, 1932. On December 24, 1932, Phelan's name appears with names of all owners and employees of the Alton Evening Telegraph.

In this OP, I am not even going to cover James Phelan's relations with George White, a much better known area than this "soup"!

On December 31, 1941, James Phelan married Avis Gant of South Dakota. In September, 1945, Phelan married Dr. Amalie Deren. Amalie was apparently the widow of Dr. Solomon Deren, a Ukrainian immigrant with a daughter of almpst the same age as Amalie's.

The Phelans' crazed daughter, Janet's diatribe (it continues in 2019 and, believe it or not, gets even more "imaginative"...) only a "Fetzerite" could embrace.
She describes assistance from Patricia Lambert.:


In a 2013, NY Daily News article, there happens to be a December, 1963 photo of Marina and Priscilla seated on either side of Jerome Allen "Jerre" Hasty aka Hastings, described by the FBI as a driver/bodyguard and a friend of Priscilla's CIA first cousin, David C Davenport. All well documented, here.:
The US Census in 1940 documents Hastings as rooming in the Winnetka, IL home of James Phelan's employer's brother, William Douglas McAdams and his wife, Marguerite. In a 1965 lawsuit, JoAnne McAdams, a first cousin of Clark M. Clifford, claimed Hastings was married to her mother, Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and that
Jerome Hasty and his friend, David Davenport had conspired with physicians to involuntarily commit her in a State of New Mexico mental asylum.
https://hayner.newspaperarchive.com/alton-evening-telegraph/1932-08-02/page-3/
St. Louis Post-Dispatch   02 Feb 1941, Sun  •  Page 3

(on the 'To Tell the Truth Show?)........ "Will the REAL John McAdams....... please stand down !!"

[Tom Scully]

How do you know what you "know" ?

So.... where are we? Who to believe? David Lifton began an attack thread aimed at Jim DiEugenio, just a couple of days ago on the Ed Forum. In the thread, Lifton in passing brought to my attention that Patricia Billings Lambert has passed away.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26441-dieugenio-cranor-and-the-mole-my-mole-33120/

A 2017 comment by Ms. Lambert's friend David Reitzes on McAdams's newsgroup indicates Ms. Lambert died in 2016. Only today, I found this collaboration between John Newman and Pat Lambert!

Are these authors, Lifton, DiEugenio, Ms. Mellen, and Ms. Lambert, clueless, or am I missing something? What about the esteemed John Newman?

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1999-03-14-9903140296-story.html
"False Witness' -- the JFK assassination revisited
Joan Mellen   THE BALTIMORE SUN - March 14, 1999
 
"False Witness: The Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK," by Patricia Lambert. M. Evans & Co. 352 pages. $24.95.
As New Orleans' District Attorney Jim Garrison's biographer, I confess to an interest in Patricia Lambert's "False Witness." Jim Garrison, who in 1969 prosecuted Clay Shaw unsuccessfully for conspiracy to murder President Kennedy, was a complex man and no saint....

http://www.kenrahn.com/Marsh/Jfk-conspiracy/NMNRSSO.ASC
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 TRANSCRIPT:
JOHN M. NEWMAN / GUS RUSSO UNSCHEDULED WORKSHOP ON 
MAJOR GENERAL EDWARD G. LANSDALE, COLONEL HOWARD L. BURRIS AND
AIR FORCE INTELLIGENCE CONNECTIONS TO THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION
HYATT REGENCY HOTEL AT REUNION SQUARE; DALLAS, TEXAS
 SATURDAY, OCTOBER 24, 1992, 5:30 PM-7:00 PM

 NOTE: Semi-unintelligible sections of the tape are designated by an underlined space followed by the acronym PST: (Phonetically Similar To:) and words which may or may not be what was actually said. This device may help to identify some of the sections.

…...
Q: Did he have any connection with the Secret Service?

NEWMAN: Did he have any connection with the Secret Service? Did he have any connection with Lyndon Johnson? These are good questions. The end result of these first few months, in essence, is that Lansdale was fired from any position on Vietnam policy. For Edward Lansdale that was a traumatic experience. Vietnam was his baby. South Vietnam was his creation. In my book I ended my dealings with Lansdale at that point although there was a lot more to do with it. It went into Cuba and Operation Mongoose and other business that was not the privy of my book. But we should talk about that right now simply because of what I just told you; that he lost something which mattered a great deal to him. When I finally got his letters and looked at him talking about going through the experience of being relieved of these responsibilities in Vietnam, you could see a man whose heart was broken. Right Pat? Pat Lambert was my editor and we sat up until midnight, one and two o'clock in the morning looking over this Lansdale stuff. and here was a man whose heart had been broken, been ripped out because he couldn't play any more in his favorite sandbox. Kennedy took him out of that sandbox and put him into another at the end of 1961. That sandbox was Mongoose. Kennedy put him in charge of an enormous apparatus with tremendous resources: weapons and personnel. It makes you wonder what was wrong with Kennedy that he would do this. I don't think Kennedy appreciated the way Lansdale related to being involved in Vietnam policy. As closure on this point, Daniel Ellsberg read pre-galley copies of my book and called me one night very excitedly. He had only read the first segment which gets all the way through 1961. He pointed out mistakes on this and that which we went over. His point, however, was this. He said there was one thing that really jumped out at him. Ellsberg had worked with Lansdale and knew him extremely well. He said, "This is the first time I've ever thought that Lansdale might have been involved in the assassination." I did not put that in my book because I was not writing about the assassination. Ellsberg based this on Lansdale having the nipple yanked out of his mouth and being weaned on Mongoose now. I don't know very much about Lansdale in 1962. I have a copy of what they released on Mongoose. When I look at the Mongoose files that came out of the Senate Church Committee, what I notice is that they wanted to know at what point somebody authorized assassination. The Kennedy Administration had supposedly gotten away from that. It was clear that we hadn't. There were plans and resources being devoted to assassinate Castro. So the line of questioning was to find out who, and when it was authorized. And Lansdale put up his hand and said, "It was me. I did it all alone. Nobody else, just me." When asked why, his answer was that during the missile crisis the Russians had changed the terms of reference by putting missiles in Cuba. So Lansdale decided all on his own that he was going to change things and get rid of Castro. I don't know how accurate that is or how much more we will learn but I do think there is a big gap on Cuban policy that needs to be bridged. What I'm talking about is not a work that focuses on the Cuban missile crisis and the Bay of Pigs, but is a Kennedy soup-to-nuts A-to-Z. Roll the cameras from square one through all this and track Lansdale all the way through '61 and '62. I begin to pick him up again in 1963. None of this is in by book, but because I was there, I was in his papers, I paid attention to this. I organized the material and I read it with extreme interest. I do know this: that in Cuban policy there comes another point where Kennedy becomes very angry with the intrigues that are going on. [TO SIDE B OF TAPE] In February 1963 he has no position there and what he is doing is focusing on Latin America. And he is travelling to countries like Bolivia and elsewhere. Again, here are some countries that no one has done any research on. I've had people from Special Forces and other Army elements come up to me and approach me and tell me we had a lot of guys down there under Kennedy. A lot of those guys ended up going to Vietnam. This is a blind spot as to exactly what we were doing and how many people we had doing what in Latin America.
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https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/when-tony-summers-fell-in-love-with-patricia-lambert
Monday, 11 November 2013 21:46
When Tony Summers Fell in Love with Patricia Lambert
Written by James DiEugenio

…Another related point is the complete reluctance to review any of the abundant new evidence the ARRB has declassified revealing the multiplicity of means which the CIA and FBI employed to cripple Garrison's inquiry right from the start. This included the employment of double agents in his camp, electronic surveillance by Allen Dulles' personal agent Gordon Novel, the interference run by CIA lawyers to make sure certain witnesses would not be returned to New Orleans for questioning, etc. It also includes surveillance of Garrison's office by the FBI. And further the aid given to Washington by compromised journalists both on a national level and local level, i.e. Dave Snyder. This is all out in the open now, thanks to the declassified files of the ARRB. As far as Summers is concerned, its the far side of the moon.
But it's even worse than that. As revealed in a note to Jefferson Morley, Summers has now swung all the way around. For he has now enlisted in the ranks of the anti-Garrison zealots: Dave Reitzes, Stephen Roy, and their Queen Bee, Patricia Lambert. This is a bit much even if you understand Summers' game. Because these people have all proven themselves to be so agenda driven that they are simply not trustworthy. Let us start with Lambert herself. Lambert wrote a book about the Shaw prosecution called False Witness. In that book she never revealed a most important fact, one which energized the book. She was the closest of friends with the late FBI asset on the Garrison case, James Phelan. In fact, as this author found out later, she was the godmother to Phelan's daughter. Even after all the declassified materials about Phelan reveled what a liar he was about himself, Lambert was still praising the man! (Destiny Betrayed, Second Edition, p. 383) She simply refused to confront the facts that 1.) Phelan was an FBI asset, 2.) He lied about this throughout his life, and 3.) He lied about it even after the declassified documents revealed he had been lying! (ibid, pgs. 246-47)
Question for Summers: Does it get any worse than that?
But Lambert could not bring herself to admit this in her book, or even after Phelan died. For instance, Lisa Pease once did an article for Probe comparing Phelan's compromised career with that of former naval intelligence officer Bob Woodward's. In her book, in reference to this essay, Lambert characterized it as being "incomprehensible". To Lambert anything which peels away the carefully carpentered journalistic front about Phelan cannot be deciphered.
And perhaps nothing reveals more about the agenda of her book than what the failure does. Because by not revealing this point, it allows her to begin her book with something she tries to pound the reader with, but which is actually irrelevant. Lambert begins False Witness with pages about Garrison's alcoholic father, whose affliction got him in trouble with the law. Lambert continues this litany with relish and gusto. If Garrison had similar problems one might be able to see the point. But he didn't. If Garrison had been close to his father, it might also be relevant. But he wasn't. Garrison's mother divorced the man when her son was six years old. Garrison never saw his father again. That is an important point that Lambert leaves out. But now that we know it, this opening crescendo is seen as nothing but cheap character assassination.
Which is something that Lambert continues throughout the book. (See this review of her book.) This brings us to Tony Summers and his romance with her. In an interview Summers did with Jefferson Morley, Summers said he has now discounted the Clinton witnesses because of the work of Lambert. Which, if you have read False Witness, is utter hogwash. For, as expected, Lambert simply took a machete to these witnesses and this incident. And she did it in keeping with her agenda of villifying Garrison and upholding Phelan. For Summers to fall for the dog and pony show is simply incomprehensible. As noted in a review of False Witness by myself and Bill Davy, Lambert concocted one of the most bizarre conspiracy theories ever propounded in the literature. Namely that all the witnesses in both the hamlets of Clinton and Jackson made up the story of seeing Oswald, David Ferrie and Clay Shaw in 1967. (Reitzes upholds this wild conspiracy also.)
To say this is untenable does not begin to indicate how bizarre it is. Because, as Joan Mellen notes, there is now Bureau corroboration that Oswald witness Reeves Morgan made a call to the FBI about the incident back in 1963. (A Farewell to Justice, p. 234) Further, there is witness certification that Hoover's agents visited the hospital that Oswald applied for a job at in the area. (ibid) In 1965, conservative publisher Ned Touchstone heard about the visit by the threesome, and he and a friend of his visited one of the witnesses, Ed McGehee. (ibid, pgs. 214, 215) Lesson to Tony Summers on the space-time continuum: 1963 and 1965 precede 1967, which is the year Garrison encountered these witnesses. Further, Garrison lived in New Orleans. These events took place about 100 miles north of the city. Therefore, what Lambert and Reitzes are proffering is nonsense.

https://jfkfacts.org/provocative-prolific-joan-mellen/#comment-869223
Tom S.  April 12, 2016 at 1:25 pm

Although I am credited as a contributor to Ms. Mellen’s book, “Our Man in Haiti,” my entire body of research results influence me to share an opinion that the description of Joan Mellen in this article is overdone….
She first met Jim Garrison just months after the Clay Shaw trial in 1969 and described interviewing more than 1200 people before publishing her book on Jim Garrison, “Farewell to Justice.”
More than 30 years after she first met Jim Garrison and in addition to much other research and interviewing 1200 people, this was the crux and the emphasis of Joan Mellen’s presentation on the best supported CIA influences/interference on Garrison’s investigation and his prosecution of Clay Shaw.
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
…….
REX: I – I think –
JOAN: – when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people….

Using only internet resources and in the course of a couple of weeks of part time research I shared in comments on this website, (see- https://jfkfacts.org/assassination/review/who-was-the-only-man-to-ever-face-legal-charges-in-jfks-assassination/#comment-856847 )
I found these details, not published or mentioned, ever, by Joan Mellen.
In the course of attempting to determine if my new fact checked research details were actually original, I found identical details, by author of a biography of Clay Shaw,
Donald H Carpenter.

From Joan Mellen’s book :

https://books.google.com/books?id=9mQtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT138&lpg=PT138&dq=%22joan+mellen%22+stephen+lemann&source=bl&ots=JQ0cQ7W_xe&sig=zjEbm-HJgiFBiqsZJ_VSNijJh0U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAvsOe1YnMAhVLHD4KHdSUDKoQ6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=%22joan%20mellen%22%20stephen%20lemann&f=false


The best face I can put on this is that Garrison misled and failed to disclose to his friend, Joan Mellen, and editor of his own book, the co-writer of the JFK the movie screenplay, Zachary Sklar.
The most troubling thing I’ve learned is that almost no one seems to appreciate being exposed to this new information. They already knew what they knew and indicate a preference of not having to consider Garrison’s actual proximity to those even he described as CIA sponsored adversaries.
Garrison’s silence on this also provided an opening (unanswered by Garrison) for the belligerent nephew of Stepen B. Lemann who is also the step-nephew of wife of Lee Garrison’s first cousin and godfather David Baldwin.:
continued……
Reply https://jfkfacts.org/provocative-prolific-joan-mellen/#comment-869239
Jordan  April 12, 2016 at 2:24 pm
While I agree that this information casts an uncomfortable light on the Garrison prosecution, I believe that Garrison was on the right track in the direction his prosecution took.
In fact, surprisingly so given what is known today.
Did he intentionally limit his investigation of the Shaw-Permindex-CMC-CIA links and apparatus…?
Was it constructed as a limited hangout…?
I’d argue no to the latter question, as it simply reveals too much about how the CIA goes about its affairs.
As far as the former question, I am not prepared to make that determination…
…...

What makes it even worse is this: Summers admits that he had only been to the area once. (Which makes him more authoritative than Reitzes, who has never been there.) This author has visited the area and talked to the witnesses on three occasions. The first witness addressed was the daughter of Reeves Morgan. She recalled Oswald visiting her father's house one night in the late summer of 1963. Therefore, to buy into Lambert's byzantine plot, Reeves Morgan had to have enlisted his little daughter to lie for him – and to continue the lie for 30 years! The obvious question would be: Why? Why would he do it and then why would she continue it forever?
Actually, it's even worse than that. Because the other group of witnesses who saw the threesome were workers for the civil rights group Congress of Racial Equality. That's right, they were African-Americans trying to secure the right to vote. Lambert is so desperate that she actually intimates a plot between rightwing caucasians (some of whom are actually Klansmen), and oppressed blacks! Again, for what end? And how was it done? It's something out of a sci-fi novel. But Summers buys into this alchemy.
The truth is this: One cannot even begin to understand the Clinton-Jackson incident by visiting the area once. Which it appears is what Summers did. On this author's third visit I was still discovering things about the episode that I had not learned on the two previous excursions. For instance, how on earth did Oswald know the names of doctors who were working at the hospital in Jackson? Why was Marydale Farms, owned by Shaw's boss Lloyd Cobb, shut down the day of the assassination? And why was Reeves Morgan told to shut up about that fact? (DiEugenio, Destiny Betrayed, p. 186) In his blindness, Summers ignores these kinds of questions. And many others. The Clinton-Jackson incident cannot be denied today. And to propose that dozens of witnesses, young and old, white and black, liberal and conservative, that they all lied for Jim Garrison is simply a non starter. One can be in denial about it, as Lambert is. But as we have seen, that is part of her agenda. And it's why Joan Mellen had a hard time interviewing Garrison investigator Anne Dischler, who was instrumental in that particular part of Garrison's inquiry. When Mellen first drove up to her home, Dischler refused to see her. The reason being that she had read the smear done on her in False Witness.. It took much time and effort to convince Dischler that Mellen was not going to do the same. And Dischler requested that Mellen insert a statement in her book that Lambert had distorted the evidence about the incident and also caricatured her.
What probably drove Lambert up the wall was the photograph Dischler saw of Shaw, Ferrie and Oswald in the car in Clinton during the voting drive. And the fact that registrar Henry Palmer said to her that Oswald had actually signed up to vote. (Mellen, p. 217) But he and Sheriff John Manchester at first decided to conceal that fact. So they did what they could to erase it. In other words, if there was a conspiracy, it was not one to fabricate, but to conceal. The opposite of what Lambert proffers. Because there was a surfeit of evidence, it was unsuccessful. In that light, False Witness is about as agenda driven as a book can be. How Summers missed all this is truly troubling.
III
But that's not all Summers missed. In that online interview with Morley, the Irish author says he also decided to withdraw from the main text of his book the story of Rose Cheramie. This is the woman that Oliver Stone began his film with. The prostitute, junkie and drug runner who predicted the Kennedy assassination before it happened.
Again, because of the releases of the ARRB, this story had gotten stronger since Stone's film was released. There had been contributions from the HSCA declassified files, Garrison's files, and the work of radio host Jim Olivier. Plus researcher Bob Dorff had straightened out an evidentiary point that the HSCA had confused.
Francis Fruge was a state trooper who was called in by a hospital administrator to escort Rose Cheramie to a state hospital. On the way there, she began to talk about a plot to kill President Kennedy. Fruge dismissed it as being the ravings of a bad drug trip. But she also repeated it to a doctor at the hospital, Victor Weiss. Fruge then talked about this to a fellow trooper on his return. A young intern named Wayne Owen heard about it while he was there. And in Todd Elliott's new book, he names two more witnesses who had heard about her speaking of a plot before the assassination. The first was Dr. Louis Pavur at Moosa Memorial Hospital, the initial place Rose was taken to, and the place where Fruge picked her up from. Pavur also said that the FBI came to Moosa Hospital and began scouring for records about her. This testimony is backed up by the widow of L. G. Carrier, who was with the Eunice Police Department at the time. Jane Carrier said that her husband told her about the FBI going to Moosa and visiting the police station shortly after the assassination. Further, Jane said her husband actually heard Rose talking about the Kennedy assassination while she was temporarily incarcerated, before Fruge picked her up. (See Elliott, A Rose by Many other Names, pgs. 14-15.) That makes six witnesses.
This was all too much for the Lambert/Reitzes/Roy patrol. Especially since Fruge talked to the bartender at the saloon where Rose traveled through with her two companions. He identified the two men with her as Sergio Arcacha Smith and Emilio Santana. Summers failed to talk to HSCA attorney Jon Blackmer, so he mistakenly writes down the name of Santana as "Osanto" in the 1991 edition of Conspiracy. (Summers, p. 592) He then uses this Italian sounding misspelling to escape into a weak and unfounded story about Arcacha Smith and (naturally) Carlos Marcello.
In reality of course, Santana and Arcacha Smith tie in directly to 544 Camp Street. And Santana was a CIA employee out of the Directorate of Plans. But further, a friend of Arcacha Smith's, Carlos Quiroga, flunked a polygraph test given to him by Jim Garrison. One of the questions was if he had seen the weapons used in the Kennedy assassination prior to Kennedy being killed. (DiEugenio, Destiny Betrayed, p. 329) In other words, with all this new information, the Cheramie story now leads somewhere that Lambert and Reitzes and Roy do not want it to go. As in a political campaign, they had to do something about it.
So Reitzes now played Karl Rove. In a technique that recalls his partner in cover up, John McAdams, he tried to present something not by Fruge, as being by Fruge. And he then distorted its meaning. He tries to say that when Fruge first met up with Jim Garrison he did not tell him anything like what he told the House Select Committee in his long, detailed, compelling deposition about Cheramie. As with what most of Reitzes writes, this struck me as being in opposition to the actual record. Why? Because I had never seen any kind of "entering interview" or "entering summary" written by Fruge about his experience with Cheramie in Garrison's files. And I had the extant file collection Garrison had left with his son Lyon. In fact, I was the first person who Lyon let duplicate those files. With the help of others, I then put together an alphabetical index to the collection. There was no such Fruge interview that I read. Peter Vea worked as a researcher for Joan Mellen on the Garrison files at NARA. Neither of them recalled any such interview or summary by Fruge.
So how does Reitzes turn the trick? He passes off a short three paragraph memo by investigator Frank Meloche on Cheramie as being by Fruge. He then tries to say this memo represents everything Fruge knew about Cheramie. In reality, this is nothing but a brief progress report from Meloche to Garrison. It is not meant to be comprehensive about anything. Certainly not about Fruge's initial investigation. In just three paragraphs, how could it be? Fruge's HSCA deposition on the subject was well over ten pages long. But yet, Reitzes tries to pass this off as being 1.) by Fruge, and 2.) definitive of his knowledge. It is neither.
It is incredible to me that people like Summers actually take Reitzes seriously. Because he has been shown to be not worth reading more than once already. (Click here for one instance.) And when it comes to Garrison, the man is simply off the map. If one clicks on this response to his review of Bill Davy's book, one will see that it is very hard not to come to the conclusion that Reitzes is a fabricator.
Does this mean there never was any such "entering interview" or "entering summary" with or by Fruge with Garrison? No it does not. It could have existed and is now gone. The reason being that many of Garrison's most important files were pilfered by the infiltrators in his office e.g. William Gurvich, Gordon Novel, Bill Boxley. But the problem with Summers and his new cohorts is that they will never admit to this because it shows that the FBI and CIA were attempting to undermine Garrison in many ways. Which leads to the conclusion that Garrison must have been onto something. And the Cheramie episode indicates he was. Therefore, in light of this, the closest thing we have to such an interview is the one done by Fruge with the HSCA. Reitzes didn't like it. So, like Lambert in Clinton-Jackson, he concocted a nefarious "plot". One in which several people participated in several locations, including Dallas. Because, through his superior, Fruge called Dallas to offer the police Cheramie's testimony. The police declined. The anti-conspiracy crowd is so desperate that they now manufacture grand conspiracies everywhere. And somehow Summers doesn't see through any of this.
To wrap up Reitzes, he also tried to imply that there was no one who heard Cheramie say any such thing at East Hospital in Jackson. He does this by writing that the man attributed with this knowledge by the HSCA, Donn Bowers, later denied he heard Cheramie say these things. What Reitzes fails to make clear is this: the man who said Bowers told him these things was Dr. Victor Weiss. And it was Weiss who actually first started Garrison down this path toward Cheramie. A friend of Weiss', A. H. Magruder, had a talk with the doctor over the Christmas holiday of 1963. Weiss told Magruder about Cheramie's disclosures at that time, which was only a month after the assassination. To anyone but Reitzes, it's clear from this memo what happened. Weiss did not want anyone to know it was he, not Bowers, who had the direct knowledge of Cheramie's information pre-assassination. Which, although it is not admirable, is understandable in light of the explosiveness of her statements.
To give him his due, Reitzes is nothing if not tireless. As Jim Hargrove has noted, the man is addicted to internet posting. As far back as the late nineties, he was posting at the rate of thousands per month, on more than one web site. In fact, more than one administrative service had flagged him as a web abuser. As Davy quotes in his response to his review of Let Justice be Done, some researchers have called Reitzes so internet addicted that he is divorced from the real world. And he is so violently anti-Garrison that he even said that certain witnesses Garrison interviewed didn't exist. But yet, no matter how often he is exposed as being both an addict and an alchemist, he never stops. And since many people are not familiar with the ins and outs of New Orleans, and since Reitzes has his own echo chamber in Roy, David Von Pein and McAdams, unsuspecting lambs get snookered. As far away as Ireland.
IV
In the Morley interview, Summers says that he also now discounts the role of David Ferrie. Again, this is startling. For at least two reasons. First, it is very obvious today that Ferrie lied to the FBI. When Jim Garrison did not buy his story about ice-skating and duck hunting in Texas, the DA turned Ferrie over to the Bureau. In his FBI interview, Ferrie said, among other things, that he never owned a telescopic rifle, or had used one, and further, he would not know how to use one. This from a man who was used by the CIA as a trainer for both Operation Mongoose and the Bay of Pigs. (ibid, DiEugenio, p. 177) In that interview, Ferrie also said he did not know Oswald, and that Oswald was not a member of the CAP squadron in New Orleans. Yet, among others, CAP member Jerry Paradis, a drill instructor for Ferrie, said that Oswald was in the CAP with Ferrie. (ibid) Further, we also know that there is a photo showing Oswald and Ferrie on a cookout in the CAP. Ferrie was clearly lying. And these were fabrications in a legally binding document.
But it's even worse than that. Because right after the assassination, Ferrie was hard at work trying to track down any evidence that would link him to Oswald. This included calling former members of the CAP to see if there were any photos depicting the two together. And he was also calling anyone who might say that Oswald had borrowed his library card that summer. (DiEugenio, Reclaiming Parkland, p. 152) In addition to perjury, Ferrie was now liable for obstruction of justice.
If Summers can find any other suspect who did these things, and who we have strong evidence about in the way of phone calls, I would like to see it.
But actually it's even worse than that. Because it appears Summers never looked through any of the ARRB released files from the Garrison inquiry before he reissued his book. Today, there is evidence that Ferrie was in possession of a diagram of Dealey Plaza before the assassination. When a former acquaintance of Ferrie's, Clara Gay, tried to secure it, Ferrie's employers at G. Wray Gill's office yanked it away from her. (Destiny Betrayed, p. 216) Can Summers mention another suspect who had such a diagram?
For his discounting of Ferrie, Summers mentions Roy. Roy is the guy who, even after Dean Andrews told Harold Weisberg that Shaw was Bertrand, tried to deny the value of that long suppressed confession. Roy said that the description of Bertrand given by Andrews to the FBI was not an exact match for Shaw. When several people told Roy that Andrews had been threatened, and therefore felt he was in danger if he spilled the beans, Roy said words to the effect, how did Andrews say that? In fact, this was intimated at in his Warren Commission testimony. (ibid, p. 88) He then told at least three other people he had been threatened: Mark Lane, Jim Garrison, and, if one can believe it, Anthony Summers. (ibid, p. 181) To Roy, that means nothing. And apparently today, it means nothing to Summers.
Roy is an interesting piece of work in other regards. Being in cahoots with Lambert, he once referred to the Clinton-Jackson incident by putting it in quotation marks. He even tried to defend the legacy of the late Paul Mandel. Mandel was the reporter at Life magazine who, within days of the assassination, tried to explain the bullet hole in the front of Kennedy's throat by writing that JFK had turned around toward the depository building. Thereby attributing that bullet strike to Oswald. This, of course, is not evident in the Zapruder film. Which Life had at the time of Mandel's writing. When Mandel's son Peter complained in a column for Huffington Post about the fact that researchers had pointed out this subterfuge by his father, Roy jumped onto a Kennedy assassination forum and said words to the effect, see these people have families too. I didn't quite understand what this meant. Was Roy saying one could not point out any discrepancies in the MSM record on the JFK case since the author may have a son or daughter who was still alive? That's quite a pardon to grant in lieu of freedom of speech. But I did point out that, 58, 000 Americans had paid an even harsher price in Vietnam by Life being a main part of the cover up about Kennedy's death. Roy didn't seem to sympathize with any of them.
When this writer tried to pin Roy down on his beliefs about the assassination, that is did he buy the Warren Comission or not, he would not reply. Since then we have it from other sources that today Roy thinks the Commission was correct. That is, Oswald did it. Which is the face of the ARRB is truly amazing. But now we know where Roy is headed with his work on Ferrie. The same place Wesley Liebeler was for the Commission.
V
We should conclude this essay with the reason Summers reissued his book at this time. In the October 25, 2013 issue of National Enquirer a story was run by reporters John Blosser and Robert Hartlein. It was headlined as the following "Exclusive: Second Gunman in JFK Assassination." The very first sentence in the story is this: "Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone – and the Enquirer can finally name the second gunman who fired the fatal shot at President John F. Kennedy from the grassy knoll in Dallas 50 years ago!" Who is the grassy knoll assassin who the tabloid breathlessly builds suspense about? Herminio Diaz, a Cuban exile who the story, quoting Summers, links to mobster Santo Trafficante. Through Summers, the story also says, "Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone." Summers is further quoted as saying, "...the same people who hired Lee Harvey Oswald ... also hired Herminio Diaz." Oh really? So Oswald shot at Kennedy for that mental defective Trafficante? I call him that because he would have to be to hire a guy who could not hit a moving car let alone a passenger in it at that distance. But as the reader will note, this Mob orientation fits what Summers has been trying to do for decades. We will understand that more thoroughly by tracing how Summers discovered the story.…..

[Tom Scully]

Harold Weisberg's reaction to Lifton and Pat Lamber in 1979. The following link includes an eight page. more legible view of Pat Lambert's tribute to Clint Hill than the eight page version available at this maryferrell.org link. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=48723#relPageId=3&tab=page

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Lambert%20Pat/Item%2001.pdf

[Gerry Down]

Harold Weisberg's reaction to Lifton and Pat Lamber in 1979. The following link includes an eight page. more legible view of Pat Lambert's tribute to Clint Hill than the eight page version available at this maryferrell.org link. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=48723#relPageId=3&tab=page

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Lambert%20Pat/Item%2001.pdf

Did William Manchester really say Clint Hills heroic actions in Dealey Plaza were like taking action in a cul de sac? In other words, he had no choice?

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Harold Weisberg's reaction to Lifton and Pat Lamber in 1979. The following link includes an eight page. more legible view of Pat Lambert's tribute to Clint Hill than the eight page version available at this maryferrell.org link. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=48723#relPageId=3&tab=page

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Lambert%20Pat/Item%2001.pdf

Lifton recently posted at the EF, a rare treat, huh, Tom?