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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Reactions to 6 Shots in the Zapruder Film
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2020, 12:14:41 PM »
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Re: Reactions to 6 Shots in the Zapruder Film
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2020, 12:14:41 PM »


Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Reactions to 6 Shots in the Zapruder Film
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2020, 03:21:34 PM »
The reaction from Z226-232 (actually z225 is the very first reaction) is from the first audible shot, the shot which is assumed to have hit him high up in the back.

What about all the witnesses who said they heard a shot just after the limo finished its turn onto Elm Street? What about all the visible reactions between Z154 and Z207? Even if you reach and strain and say they are all in response to one external stimulus, that still gives us four shots. Or, are you going to deny all of them?

I find it incredible that you are placing so much reliance on the testimony of SS agents, most of whom were hungover from the their late-night partying the night before.

One last note on the reactions from z188-207, if hit in the back of the head by bullet fragments around z186, to imagine JFK hasn't reacted to this by reaching for his head in the full second we see him before he goes behind the Stemmons sign is totally unrealistic (IMO)

Okay, well, I can't force you to admit that you can see Z154-207 reactions that are plainly visible. They are so visible that even the HSCA PEP felt compelled to acknowledge them. And there are two strong blur episodes during this timeframe. I won't recount them again. They are discussed in my article. The Z186-207 reactions are discussed in the HSCA PEP's report.

"IF" hit in the back of the head by bullet fragments? "IF"? Look, we know he was hit in the back of the head by several bullet fragments because they are on the autopsy skull x-rays. They surely did not get there as a result of mythical "shearing" by an FMJ bullet.

You see, the problem is that you are bound by a ridiculous theory that only allows for three shots, even though the Zapruder film plainly, clearly, obviously shows reactions to at least four shots, at the bare minimum.

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Re: Reactions to 6 Shots in the Zapruder Film
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2020, 05:59:33 PM »
What about all the witnesses who said they heard a shot just after the limo finished its turn onto Elm Street? What about all the visible reactions between Z154 and Z207? Even if you reach and strain and say they are all in response to one external stimulus, that still gives us four shots. Or, are you going to deny all of them?

I find it incredible that you are placing so much reliance on the testimony of SS agents, most of whom were hungover from the their late-night partying the night before.

Okay, well, I can't force you to admit that you can see Z154-207 reactions that are plainly visible. They are so visible that even the HSCA PEP felt compelled to acknowledge them. And there are two strong blur episodes during this timeframe. I won't recount them again. They are discussed in my article. The Z186-207 reactions are discussed in the HSCA PEP's report.

"IF" hit in the back of the head by bullet fragments? "IF"? Look, we know he was hit in the back of the head by several bullet fragments because they are on the autopsy skull x-rays. They surely did not get there as a result of mythical "shearing" by an FMJ bullet.

You see, the problem is that you are bound by a ridiculous theory that only allows for three shots, even though the Zapruder film plainly, clearly, obviously shows reactions to at least four shots, at the bare minimum.

In his work, "The Unofficial JFK Assassination FAQ #19", John Locke makes the following observation:

"Of the approximately 200 witnesses whose statements were taken by
the WC, 88% said they heard three shots, 5% said they heard more than
three. "


In the comprehensive study of witness statements analysed at his website, Pat Speer concludes:

"While roughly 90% of the witnesses heard three shots or less, and less than 10% heard four shots or more"

I know from my own experience that the vast majority of the witness statements I've read indicate three audible shots, many referring to a specific pattern - shot, pause, two shots closer together.
The overwhelming majority of 'ear-witnesses' to the shooting describe hearing three shots. It is this that informs my opinion and it is this that you must ignore.
Your method seems to be based on jiggle analysis and it seems you would like to cherry-pick your ear-witnesses to suit. The majority of the reactions you describe are normal head turns, something we should totally expect to see. The observation of reactions by the HSCA have been debunked and some of the reactions you describe don't even occur (such as agent Hickey's sharp turn to face right)
The reactions of the car load of 'hung-over' agents, who you would have us believe took three whole seconds to react to the sound of gunfire, is not a starting point for me. It's simply confirmation that the early audible shots you would like to believe happened did not, in fact, take place.
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Re: Reactions to 6 Shots in the Zapruder Film
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Re: Reactions to 6 Shots in the Zapruder Film
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2020, 02:31:17 PM »
You see, the problem is that you are bound by a ridiculous theory that only allows for three shots, even though the Zapruder film plainly, clearly, obviously shows reactions to at least four shots, at the bare minimum.

It's good to see you've abandoned your own ridiculous theory and rightly so. It was very poorly thought through, was easily refuted and seemed to depend heavily on dramatic pronouncements.

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Re: Reactions to 6 Shots in the Zapruder Film
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2020, 02:31:17 PM »