How did Ruby get into the basement?

[Ross Lidell]

Gosh, that's silly. What is "farfetched" is to claim that Grammar just fabricated his account. I swear I hope none of you lone-gunman believers ever works in law enforcement, because you would never catch anyone.

The Western Union money order was clearly an attempt by Ruby to make his hit on Oswald seem like a spontaneous, compulsive act. Even the HSCA did not buy it.

If Ruby had waltzed into the basement the way the WC said he did, via the Main Street ramp, the spontaneous-act story would have a tiny bit of credibility, which of course is why the WC claimed, against all the evidence, that Ruby entered via the Main Street ramp.

But we know that's not how Ruby got into the basement. He entered via the circuitous route of taking the alley next to the Dallas Municipal Building and then using the stairway that led to the basement from that alley. And, conveniently enough, the door to the stairway was unlocked, and the entrance way at the bottom of that stairway suddenly became unguarded shortly before Ruby used it to enter the basement.

Several impertinent questions:

-- Is there proof that a door to the Dallas Municipal Building (adjacent to the alley) was unlocked on Sunday morning, 24 November 1963?

-- Has it ever been determined how long it would take Jack Ruby to get from the Western Union to the bottom of the Main Street ramp via the alley > Dallas Municipal Building hallway > stairway to the basement?

The time-stamped receipt Ruby received at the Western Union was for 11:17 AM. The shooting of Oswald was at 11.21 AM. Could Ruby have made the journey in less than 4 minutes?

[Bill Chapman]

Oh, gosh. You must be kidding. If Grammer had been called to testify and had said he was certain that Ruby called him, that Ruby warned him about the shooting, and that Ruby urged the DPD to change the transfer plans, all holy crap would have broken loose over the case.

No matter what, no matter how clear the evidence, you guys will always cling to the no-conspiracy fable. The DPD lied through their teeth about the Main Street ramp, and the WC repeated their lie, precisely because they both knew that that was the only scenario that even remotely supported the spontaneous-act story. But then, the HSCA came along and utterly destroyed the Main Street ramp tale and proved that Ruby must have entered via the alleyway, that the door was unlocked, and that the entrance way was cleared of security just before Ruby approached. Yet, you guys blink twice and say, "Oh, well, but it was still spontaneous!"

How, exactly, would these conspiracy geniuses stay in second-to-second contact with Ruby, exactly? Smoke signals?

Ruby was just as nutty as Oswald.
Neither shooting needed a conspiracy.

[John Iacoletti]

Nonsense.

Where is the paperwork filed by Grammer telling of this mysterious phone call?

In 1964, during Ruby's trial, Wade and Alexander wanted to prove premeditation since they were going for first degree murder in the death of Oswald.  Grammer, with his whole Ruby mysterious phone call bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns, would have been one of their star witnesses.  Yet, we don't hear a single thing from Grammer until 1988, just in time for him to get his mug in front of the camera so that people like you will be talking about him still in the year 2020.

Says the guy whose OP relies on things that Jim Leavelle told Dale Myers in 1993.