ROBERT - Thanks for the info. If the boxcar that the 3 tramps were found inside was located on the (S) side of Commerce St, how is it that there is a photograph of the 3 Tramps in front of the TSBD Tall Double Gates as the 3 Tramps are being marched down the Elm St Ext? The location of that Box Car and the 3 Tramps being photo'd as they march down the Elm St Ext conflict with each other.
The first set of tramps, including named Doyle, Gedney, Abrams (and others unnamed), they were found immediately after the assassination on the parked train in the yard. Between 12:30/13:00. At this point - the train hadn't crossed the overpass.
Lee Bowers recalled: "Since there was the possibility that someone could have...climbed aboard this freight primarily... I stopped the train and gave them a chance to examine it and to be sure that there was no one on it. As a matter of fact, there were three people on it who appeared to be winos, and perhaps were the most frightened winos I had ever seen in my life, since there were possibly 50 policemen with shotguns and Tommy guns and various other weapons shaking them out of these boxcars."
"Ball: In this area around your tower?
Bowers: That's right. Sealed off the area, and I held off the trains until they could be examined,
and there was some transients taken on at least one train."
After a thorough search of the train that Doyle, Gedney, Abrams, etc, got off, the train was allowed to leave, which Bowers enabled.
As the train was leaving the railyard Bowers spotted a person(s) climbing on the train as it was leaving the railyard. He stopped the train. Hence why the train was so far down the tracks: ending up opposite 260 S.Houston. The tramps photographed were brought through the plaza an hour or more after the assassination. The Gedney, Doyle, Abrams tramps were arrested immediately after the assassination. It says so on their arrest sheets. And the Doyle guy said so during his tv interview.
From Doyle's arrest sheet: "These men were seen getting on a boxcar in a train
right after Kennedy was shot. These men are all passing through, they have no jobs..."
Bowers identified the exact boxcar he'd seen the person(s) climb aboard (Ninth car from the engine). Which is where the photographed tramps were found. they were taken all the way back up the tracks to the railyard. Presumably to be identified by Bowers. And that's how they ended up being escorted past the Depository side gate and over to the Sheriff's dept.
[49] C.R. Gilbreath:
10-4, 1:56 p.m.
Dispatcher Hulse and McDaniel:
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Dispatcher:
On Shorecoast at the end of the N/S runway, report to location,
1:57 p.m.[61] Patrolmen G.W. Temple and R. E. Vaughn:
We have information from the agent out here at T & P. Said that the train
is stopped on the overpass, the triple overpass; that there was a person
jumping at the ninth boxcar from the front engine. Said he is hiding in a car.
Dispatcher:
Is the train stopped there now?
[61] Temple and Vaughn:
From A.J Weberman's Coup D'etat in America
''Dallas Police Officer ROY EUGENE VAUGHN told the HSCA that on November 22, 1963, he was in a patrol car with G.W. Temple. After the assassination Roy Vaughn stayed in a patrol car next to the Texas School Book Depository, then took a suspect to the Sheriff's office:
Vaughn then returned to the Texas School Book Depository and he heard someone say that some men had jumped into a boxcar down by Union Station. He told a Sergeant in front of the Texas School Book Depository. Vaughn, Bill Bass, Marvin Wise, and another officer, ran down the tracks for three or four blocks to the grain cars near Union Terminal. Vaughn climbed up and went to the rear of the car. He looked into an open car and saw three men at the opposite end of the car, kind of lying down. Vaughn pulled his revolver and ordered the men out of the car. Bass and Wise took the men to the Sheriff's office. Vaughn, and the other officers, rode the caboose back to the area of the Texas School Book Depository and got off. [Vaughn HSCA Depo.]
Sheriff Roy Vaughn was contacted on November 22, 1993. Buck Revell's story was circulating at this time to the effect that Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams and John Gedney were the tramps who had been photographed being marched through Dealey Plaza. Roy Vaughn:
I can't tell you if these guys were Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams and John Gedney. I don't know. A railroad man came down when I arrived on the scene.
It was after lunch. 1:00 p.m., 2:00 p.m., 2:30 p.m., sometimes afterward. We were dispatched there. I was assigned to patrol in the South Dallas area. The dispatcher told us to report to that location - code three. And that's when I went. I was not there until sometime after the shooting occurred.
This particular incident I am talking about was not immediately after the shooting, no. I was in between the Texas School Book Depository and what used to be a saw factory. And I did detain a man, a security guard brought him down. He had found that individual on the upper floors of the building. I took that man to the Dallas County Sheriff's Office that was directly across the street. Me and several others officers were involved in getting the people out of the open type car. If there was any arrests prior to these, I don't know. I can't say...I don't remember if they smelled. That was 30 years ago today. I was always under the impression there was no paperwork for 29 years then I heard about the arrest records [of Harold Doyle, John Gedney and Gus Abrams].
MARVIN LYNN WISE told the HSCA that the police radio dispatcher told him to go to the Texas School Book Depository.
He parked near the railroad tracks. He was sitting in his car and A man working in the railroad building waved at him.
Wise and another officer (name forgotten) were told by the man that three men got into a boxcar about four or five hundred yards down the track. Wise, in company with Bill Bass, Vaughn and Middleton, went to the boxcars and took the men off the boxcar. Wise stated the men acted scared, and he could smell wine on the breath of one of them. Wise took the men over to the Sheriff's office and, while waiting to turn them over, asked the men for identification. Wise stated that he believes two of the men had documented IDs. He wrote the identification down on paper and put it in his hat. He turned the men over to the Sheriff's Office (Deputy's name unknown) and went back to his radio...Wise stated that he put the paper with the tramps' identification on it in his locker, where it remained for over a year. He cleaned his locker out, and just after that, people began asking him for information. But he had thrown it out.''
So DCM, in particular, was in the area of the TSDB for quite some time after the assassination. Up to two hours, according to Sheriff Roy Vaugh.
