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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2024, 08:50:48 AM »
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The two yellow lines encircle the string on the wall in two different locations. Do you see the string now? That string was placed by the surveyors using the transit which has the blue arrow pointing at it. The surveyors placed the string at the same angle as their survey showed the angle to be to the sniper’s nest window (less the 3-degree slope of the street) which equals approximately 17-degrees. The photo shows that the pointer is being held parallel to the string which indicates the pointer is at the same elevation angle as the path to the sniper’s window. This is very scientific and can be repeated today with the same results. The Bronson photo shows that the 17-degree angle places the path of the bullets well above the SS agents standing on the running boards.



An excellent post.
A bit of old school surveying and common sense.
It reminds me of this Reply you posted a while back, which remains one of my favourite posts of any member of the forum:

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Out of curiosity, I tried my hand at the two-laser test. Here are the results:


Here is the set-up, about 5-feet apart and a little over seventeen degrees elevation slope with an eleven degree right to left angle:





The laser level is mounted on a tripod, the front laser is mounted on a boom microphone stand, and they are pointed directly at each other:





The results are shown as follows. I don't have what I think would be a suitable mirror. But you might notice that the image from the rear is a screenshot of a pause in the video at the same time that I took the front photo with a phone camera (I spoke the words "right now" when I took the front photo and, while replaying it, paused the video when I heard me speak those words). This helps to assure that I didn't move between the two photos.








Judging from the location of the laser "crosshair" on the pattern of the shirt, it is about 3-7/8" down from the top of the collar:




This was yet another verification for me that the WC got it right. I thought I would share the details of how I set this experiment up. I triple-checked the aiming of the lasers before and after the test. It appears to me that Jack Trojan might not have set things up properly in his test.

On the flip side we have the latest in "science" from the Knotts Labs crew which culminates in this representation of Zapruder frame 225:



There are two really serious issues with this model:
1] The green line shows the trajectory of the bullet through JFK. It hits JBC in the back about 10 inches away from the actual location JBC was hit.
Where did this shot go? Where is the bullet hole in JBC's back according to this model? And why doesn't the green line pass through JFK's throat?
2] A way more serious issue is the red line which represents the trajectory of the bullet through JBC.
According to this model JFK must have shot JBC!!
How does the red line represent the reality of the situation? It shows the bullet that passed through JBC must have passed through JFK's chest!

It is also worth noting that, although the representation of Dealey Plaza and the limo are first class, the Knott-so-hot crew seemed to have employed children to do the modelling for JFK and JBC. Why is that?
Luckily, we have our resident Knotts Lab expert, Royell, to clear up these issues.


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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2024, 11:19:05 AM »
An excellent post.
A bit of old school surveying and common sense.
It reminds me of this Reply you posted a while back, which remains one of my favourite posts of any member of the forum:

On the flip side we have the latest in "science" from the Knotts Labs crew which culminates in this representation of Zapruder frame 225:



There are two really serious issues with this model:
1] The green line shows the trajectory of the bullet through JFK. It hits JBC in the back about 10 inches away from the actual location JBC was hit.
Where did this shot go? Where is the bullet hole in JBC's back according to this model? And why doesn't the green line pass through JFK's throat?
2] A way more serious issue is the red line which represents the trajectory of the bullet through JBC.
According to this model JFK must have shot JBC!!
How does the red line represent the reality of the situation? It shows the bullet that passed through JBC must have passed through JFK's chest!

It is also worth noting that, although the representation of Dealey Plaza and the limo are first class, the Knott-so-hot crew seemed to have employed children to do the modelling for JFK and JBC. Why is that?
Luckily, we have our resident Knotts Lab expert, Royell, to clear up these issues.


Thanks Dan. I haven’t taken an in-depth look at the Knott Labs study. However, at a glance, it appears to me that they have JBC in the wrong position. Shift him over to his left slightly and the green path hits him where it actually did. Something that most people seem to fail to recognize is what happens when one sitting in a seat twists their torso in order to see something behind. I have marked the WC photo to show the amount of the seat back showing to the right of the model’s right shoulder. Add the width of his upper arm/shoulder area and his armpit area is getting close to the centerline of the seat. This alignment should align better with the green bullet path than what Knott Labs shows.



It is very easy for anyone to try this at home. Simply sit in a seat with a back, twist your torso around to your right to see behind yourself, and see where your right armpit is in relation to the seat back.
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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #66 on: June 05, 2024, 06:26:18 PM »
Seriously?

After being proven wrong, you try to insult me and dump all over Speer, very poor form!

Just be a Man and admit that I destroyed your endorsement and give me credit, then move on.

Thanks in advance.

JohnM

pointing out the fact of your poor behavior at different times certainly on this forum , even towards me is not being proven wrong , its been witnessed by many . nor is your posting photos that were not the photo i INTENDED posting .and i always try to conduct myself in a cordial manner , adhering to the rules on this excellent forum , i never seek to attack or insult anyone  . however i will show a person the same level of respect they show me . as you were disrespectful to me from the start when you had no cause to be well i then have no reason to show you any respect .if you prove any claim i make to be wrong you can rest assured i will be only too happy to acknowledge it .

what you did was state your opinion that Speer was wrong and thus that as i was (in your mind ) pushing his work that i too was wrong . however i did no such thing , i merely posted a photo from his site (as it came easiest to hand there ) showing the same scene that you showed , the difference being the photo i posted shows the readers the white mark on the agents jacket replicating the location of the entry wound on JFKs back as per the commission .so as all i did was post a photo showing what YOU DID NOT , so you can hardly have proven me wrong , and you are a long way from destroying me . and this is your A game  ? .

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« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2024, 04:57:59 AM »
pointing out the fact of your poor behavior at different times certainly on this forum , even towards me is not being proven wrong , its been witnessed by many . nor is your posting photos that were not the photo i INTENDED posting .and i always try to conduct myself in a cordial manner , adhering to the rules on this excellent forum , i never seek to attack or insult anyone  . however i will show a person the same level of respect they show me . as you were disrespectful to me from the start when you had no cause to be well i then have no reason to show you any respect .if you prove any claim i make to be wrong you can rest assured i will be only too happy to acknowledge it .

what you did was state your opinion that Speer was wrong and thus that as i was (in your mind ) pushing his work that i too was wrong . however i did no such thing , i merely posted a photo from his site (as it came easiest to hand there ) showing the same scene that you showed , the difference being the photo i posted shows the readers the white mark on the agents jacket replicating the location of the entry wound on JFKs back as per the commission .so as all i did was post a photo showing what YOU DID NOT , so you can hardly have proven me wrong , and you are a long way from destroying me . and this is your A game  ? .

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pointing out the fact of your poor behavior at different times certainly on this forum , even towards me is not being proven wrong , its been witnessed by many . nor is your posting photos that were not the photo i INTENDED posting .and i always try to conduct myself in a cordial manner , adhering to the rules on this excellent forum , i never seek to attack or insult anyone  . however i will show a person the same level of respect they show me . as you were disrespectful to me from the start when you had no cause to be well i then have no reason to show you any respect .if you prove any claim i make to be wrong you can rest assured i will be only too happy to acknowledge it .

Here we go again. Grow up and stop playing the Victim.
Any perceived wrong doing by me is simply me reacting to your juvenile outbursts.

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what you did was state your opinion that Speer was wrong and thus that as i was (in your mind ) pushing his work that i too was wrong . however i did no such thing , i merely posted a photo from his site (as it came easiest to hand there ) showing the same scene that you showed , the difference being the photo i posted shows the readers the white mark on the agents jacket replicating the location of the entry wound on JFKs back as per the commission .so as all i did was post a photo showing what YOU DID NOT , so you can hardly have proven me wrong , and you are a long way from destroying me . and this is your A game  ? .

It's not a case of me being wrong, the photographic record mere seconds before the incident clearly shows the excessive bunching of Kennedy's jacket and your weak attempt to deflect this bunching by stating "yes JFKs jacket did bunch up a degree", shows any discerning reader who is interested in the truth, that you are just here to cause trouble. 



The fact that this autopsy photo shows the downward trajectory only reinforces my observation.



And the simultaneous reaction of both Kennedy and Connally, along with Connally's right lapel being violently thrust forward, only cements this very obvious conclusion.





Fergus, your silly attempts to negate these pieces of irrefutable evidence with nonsense, is simply further proof of your inability to examine the evidence with honesty.

JohnM
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Offline Fergus O'Brien

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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2024, 12:38:59 AM »
Here we go again. Grow up and stop playing the Victim.
Any perceived wrong doing by me is simply me reacting to your juvenile outbursts.

It's not a case of me being wrong, the photographic record mere seconds before the incident clearly shows the excessive bunching of Kennedy's jacket and your weak attempt to deflect this bunching by stating "yes JFKs jacket did bunch up a degree", shows any discerning reader who is interested in the truth, that you are just here to cause trouble. 



The fact that this autopsy photo shows the downward trajectory only reinforces my observation.



And the simultaneous reaction of both Kennedy and Connally, along with Connally's right lapel being violently thrust forward, only cements this very obvious conclusion.





Fergus, your silly attempts to negate these pieces of irrefutable evidence with nonsense, is simply further proof of your inability to examine the evidence with honesty.

JohnM

"Here we go again. Grow up and stop playing the Victim.
Any perceived wrong doing by me is simply me reacting to your juvenile outbursts."

how long have you been doing this ? a lot of years , i know you a long time even if you do not know me . you are a big boy , and lets face it , you are more than happy to push your weight around and not just here . grow a set ok , you tried to push me around , you tried to insult me and you got nowhere and you will get nowhere . your "A GAME " in this sense was not and is not good enough , get over it , get on with it , move on . as for "outbursts" juvenile or otherwise lol all i did was post a photo (all be it unknown to me the photo did not show at the time which i apologized for and i fixed ) to show what YOU DID NOT . as it is EXTREMELY relevant , and it is vital that people looking at this site have ALL the info , and the BEST info so that they can make and reach informed decisions . i appreciate that as an LN that you would rather people be ill informed , and just take the LN word for everything . people need to have both sides , both can be wrong for sure , i am not exempt from making errors all be it i try not too . i am human i make mistakes , there is no shame in that , the shame comes when people are wrong and refuse to admit it , i have no difficulty if wrong in admitting it .  but the truth and what is accurate can be judged by the readers . and frankly if you do not care that i posted a photo or that you dont care for what i post i could not care less . call me all the names you wish , toss all the insults you desire ,i can assure you that it will not make a dent . water off a ducks back .

"It's not a case of me being wrong, the photographic record mere seconds before the incident clearly shows the excessive bunching of Kennedy's jacket and your weak attempt to deflect this bunching by stating "yes JFKs jacket did bunch up a degree", shows any discerning reader who is interested in the truth, that you are just here to cause trouble.  "

i made no such " weak attempt " what i said was very clear . YOU assumed wrongly that i was pushing certain claim /s of Pat speer , you further assumed i was claiming things i was not and you posted photos assuming i had posted one of them . now i appreciate that UNKNOWN to me the photo i posted did not post , so to be fair to you you could not be certain which photo i was talking about , but you acted on complete assumption . but the photo is fixed now and it shows the warren commission positioning of the entrance location . the autopsy photos also show the entrance location , neither of which is in the area that specter was highlighting .

here is what i said in both comments , YOU REALLY SHOULD QUOTE .

"the above is the angle that mr Specter and it seems mr Mytton do not want people to see , NOTE THE WHITE MARK ON THE BACK OF THE AGENT IN THE JFK POSITION .

the above is courtesy of mr Pat speer .
https://www.patspeer.com/chapter10examiningtheexaminations

EDIT : my apologies the original image seems not to have worked so i fixed it , but the original image is in the link just above  ."

"firstly Mr Mytton you should concern yourself with your own image or reputation on forums such as this . the  manner in which you have behaved over the years and in which you still behave hardly shows you and the LN community in a great light .

secondly the image i posted as you stated correctly (unknown to me ) did not display , i have edited my post accordingly and corrected that . and NO the image i posted is NONE of the images you posted . which was rather part of the point i was making , which was that the image i posted shows the CORRECT entry wound location highlighted with a white mark on the back of the agents jacket .

yes JFKs jacket did bunch up a degree , certainly at times when he was waving , that is a given and not in dispute . Mr Speer can very capably make his own arguments , he does not require myself or anyone to do that for him . however you should have noted my comment did not reference ANY claim by Mr Speer , it was simply to show the readers what the commission , Specter , LN and it seems you did not want them to see ."

so i made it CRYSTAL clear i was not pushing mr Speers work , nor any theory , i merely linked to his site because THE PHOTO I USED WAS SUPPLIED BY HIM ON HIS SITE .

oh and by the way mr Organ here very kindly supplied a photo of the late dr wecht displaying for want of a better term the single bullet theory , he has been attacked here and in another thread for DECEPTION , claims that he falsely positioned the people in the chairs that JBC was inboard , as he certainly was by 2/5 inches . here is the photo from mr Organ and my sincere thanks to him .



please note the LEGS OF THE CHAIR IN FRONT .anyone see HOW MUCH TO THE LEFT OF THE REAR CHAIR IT IS ? .


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« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2024, 12:38:59 AM »


Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2024, 02:06:24 PM »


   Not sure why there is frequent discussion regarding the possible bunching of the JFK suit jacket. There is also a Bullet Hole in his dress shirt along with a matching bullet Hole in the BACK.
   "Simultaneous reaction"?  STOP with the baloney. Jackie is also in motion "simultaneously". Does this mean she has been shot too? A Ridiculous claim is being made that flies in the face of the posted Images.
   

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