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Offline Andrew Mason

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Re: A Closer Look…
« Reply #88 on: July 24, 2024, 05:54:02 PM »
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Here it is again, the usual cute and clever third grade attempts at logic. This must be the same clever logic you used when Thomas Canning decided the only way he was going to get rid of you was to fake the early stages of Alzheimer or dementia.

A lot is missing from your post. 

No answer to the fact that after your Z195 shot JFK continues to wave and smile at the spectators, even though according to your claim the bullet struck him at this time, and your paper stating JFK quits interacting with the crowd once he is shot. JFK was a real trooper to continue smiling and waving even though he was shot in the throat.

Where do you see JFK continuing to smile at spectators after z193?  He appears to turn forward and start to bring his waving hand down:



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« Reply #89 on: July 25, 2024, 12:20:55 AM »
Where do you see JFK continuing to smile at spectators after z193?  He appears to turn forward and start to bring his waving hand down:


If nothing else you are consistent. You never seem to tire of playing the role of the fool.

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Re: A Closer Look…
« Reply #90 on: July 27, 2024, 10:40:35 PM »
I do not see how it’s probable that a bullet that goes thru the back of JFK at Z193 would exit his throat and NOT hit JC somewhere in JCs back.

 How could it miss JC entirely?

Yes the angle is slightly different at Z193 than at Z224, but is that enough of a different angle to allow a bullet exiting JFCs throat to miss JC entirely either left or right of his upper body?

My earlier suggestion of a Z193 bullet hitting JFK and NOT exiting his body is improbable (imo)  because would not there be MUCH more transfer of momentum to JFKs body and therefore some noticeable forward movement of JFKs body in those frames from Z193-Z200 as Andrew has posted ?



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Re: A Closer Look…
« Reply #91 on: July 29, 2024, 04:35:56 PM »
I do not see how it’s probable that a bullet that goes thru the back of JFK at Z193 would exit his throat and NOT hit JC somewhere in JCs back.

 How could it miss JC entirely?
It didn't. I don't suggest that it did.

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Yes the angle is slightly different at Z193 than at Z224, but is that enough of a different angle to allow a bullet exiting JFCs throat to miss JC entirely either left or right of his upper body?
No. It goes to the left of JBC's midline.  At z193 the horizontal angle of the trajectory from the TSBD through JFK to the car direction was about 18 degrees:


Over the 30 inches or so between JFK's throat and JBC's spine, the bullet on an 18 degree right-left path will move farther left by 9.75 inches. So the bullet struck JBC left of his midline.  Where was JBC struck left of his midline? Hint:


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Re: A Closer Look…
« Reply #92 on: July 31, 2024, 04:02:07 AM »
The 2003 Beyond Conspiracy experiment to attempt to replicate the SBT trajectory thru the throat  at Z224 FAILED completely. The bullet exited the JFK torso well below the level of the throat.

So if they could not even replicate the throat exit trajectory at the flatter vertical angle at Z224 , then it’s even LESS probable at the steeper vertical angle of Z193 that the bullet trajectory would have flattened out enough to would have JFKs throat after entering his back where the autopsy photo indicates.

So if  a Z193 shot would more likely have exited lower than the throat, and therefore thru JFK s body , then the bullet upon exiting could  not have completely missed hitting JC.

The speculative Z175 ish bullet is supposedly hitting JC in the left thigh at 2000 ft/sec, because it bypassed JFKs body. Yet JC had no shattered bone in his leg and the bullet did not penetrate thru the leg. In fact JCs inner thigh would was shallow.

So when adding these improbabilities with the improbability that the  little Willis girl could stop in less than 1/18th a sec after hearing a shot at Z193, then the A.Mason 3 shot theory becomes increasing implausible.


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Re: A Closer Look…
« Reply #93 on: July 31, 2024, 05:10:59 AM »
The 2003 Beyond Conspiracy experiment to attempt to replicate the SBT trajectory thru the throat  at Z224 FAILED completely. The bullet exited the JFK torso well below the level of the throat.

So if they could not even replicate the throat exit trajectory at the flatter vertical angle at Z224 , then it’s even LESS probable at the steeper vertical angle of Z193 that the bullet trajectory would have flattened out enough to would have JFKs throat after entering his back where the autopsy photo indicates.

The difference in vertical angle between z193 and z222 is less than 3 degrees. 23.1 degrees at z193 and 20.4 degrees at z222 (from the table in CE884 with z193 interpolated from the angle at z186). 3 degrees is the angle the minute hand moves in half a minute on a clock.

The most important difference is JFK’s forward lean. At z193 JFK is leaning forward but at z225 when we first see him emerging from behind the Stemmons sign, he is sitting up straight, a difference of at least 10 degrees:


This would mean that the angle from the SN through JFK to the direction of JFK's spine was 13 degrees at z193 and 20 degrees at z222. 
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Re: A Closer Look…
« Reply #94 on: August 09, 2024, 03:58:12 AM »
Andrew should post some more diagrams to line up this z193 trajectory because it’s unclear how the bullet could exit the CENTER of JFKs throat ( where the incision obliterated the supposed hole that was seen by only a few witness previous) .

JFKs head turned that much to his right at Z193  would seem to suggest an exit of the bullet to left side of JFKs Adam’s apple or possibly not have gone thru the throat at all but rather exited the right upper part of JFKs chest going thru some portion of his lung.

If that is the case then the trajectory of the bullet exiting the right side of JFKs chest at the Z 193 angle may have some possibility of missing JC past his right shoulder/arm and the bullet impacting into the inner side of right door beside JFK.

Possibly need to revisit the 2003 experiment set up and try this other angle and see where the bullet exits the JFK replica torso and if the bullet impacts the inner door and would that possibly produce a bullet like CE 399.

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Re: A Closer Look…
« Reply #95 on: August 20, 2024, 05:02:58 PM »
Andrew should post some more diagrams to line up this z193 trajectory because it’s unclear how the bullet could exit the CENTER of JFKs throat ( where the incision obliterated the supposed hole that was seen by only a few witness previous) .

JFKs head turned that much to his right at Z193  would seem to suggest an exit of the bullet to left side of JFKs Adam’s apple or possibly not have gone thru the throat at all but rather exited the right upper part of JFKs chest going thru some portion of his lung.


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If that is the case then the trajectory of the bullet exiting the right side of JFKs chest at the Z 193 angle may have some possibility of missing JC past his right shoulder/arm and the bullet impacting into the inner side of right door beside JFK.

Possibly need to revisit the 2003 experiment set up and try this other angle and see where the bullet exits the JFK replica torso and if the bullet impacts the inner door and would that possibly produce a bullet like CE 399.
Unless you want to speculate that CE399 struck something capable of denting it more than once but always in the exact same the same part of its butt end, CE399 struck something hard only once.  The evidence of the xrays and Dr. Shires is that there was a small deposit of lead in JBC's femur.  Dr. Gregory commented that the thigh wound appeared to have been made by the butt end of an intact bullet. So all of that tells us that CE399 did not strike anything hard and capable of causing that dent until it reached JBC's femur, which it struck butt-first.

So with respect to the first shot through JFK around z193 going forward in a straight line and striking JBC's left thigh:
  • the trajectory fits
  • the bullet characteristics fit
  • the wound characteristics fit
  • the witness evidence of JFK being hit by the first shot fits
  • the witness evidence as to the time of the first shot fits
  • the evidence of the Connallys that JBC was not hit in the back by the first shot fits
  • the evidence of the 1.........2.....3 shot pattern fits
  • the movement of JFK after z193 fits:
  • the evidence that all three shots came from the SN fits
The only thing that does not fit is the SBT.

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Re: A Closer Look…
« Reply #95 on: August 20, 2024, 05:02:58 PM »