Fidel

[Charles Collins]

Before me, the undersigned authority. on this the 22nd day of November 1963
petsonally appeared Mr J.C. Price Address 9602 Astor, Dallas

"This day at about 1235 PM I was on the roof of the Termaniel Annex Bldg on the
NE Corner when the presidential Motorcade came down Main to Houston, North on
Houston and then West on Elm. The cars had proceeded West on Elm and was
just a short distance from the Tripple underpass, when I saw Gov Connelly
slump over . I did not see the president as his car had gotten out of my
view under the underpass . There was a volley of shots, I think five and then
much later, maybe as much as five minutes later another one . I saw one man
run towards the passenger cars on the railroad siding after the volley of shots.
This man had a white dress shirt, no tie and kahki colored trousers . His hair
appeared to be long and dark and his agility running could be about 25 yrs of
age. He had something in his hand."

-snip-

So, about 5-minutes after the assassination he apparently saw JBC slump over and didn't see JFK because his car was already out of view under the underpass. According to this account JFK and JBC were in separate automobiles???

And about 5-minutes after that, he heard another shot. I think this account is the only one I have heard that makes that claim.

And he gives that detailed description of someone supposedly running away from him at a distance of 700 to 900 feet? Does anyone really have vision that is that good???

And you believe this crap in spite of all the contrary accounts???

[Gary Craig]

So, about 5-minutes after the assassination he apparently saw JBC slump over and didn't see JFK because his car was already out of view under the underpass. According to this account JFK and JBC were in separate automobiles???

And about 5-minutes after that, he heard another shot. I think this account is the only one I have heard that makes that claim.

And he gives that detailed description of someone supposedly running away from him at a distance of 700 to 900 feet? Does anyone really have vision that is that good???

And you believe this crap in spite of all the contrary accounts???

Use a little common sense.
Most likely a typo, 5 seconds works just fine.

[Charles Collins]

Use a little common sense.
Most likely a typo, 5 seconds works just fine.

Do you really think that he would have used the words: “and then much later, maybe as much as five minutes [sic!] later,...” if he actually meant only five seconds? I have to agree with John McAdams’ response on this:

“Yep, Price is a "conspiracy witness" in Lane's book, video, and in the
movie JFK.  But given his time perception, there is no reason in the
world to believe the man he saw running was any sort of assassin or
accomplice.  By five minutes after the shots, all sorts of people were
runing around.“

[Charles Collins]

Really,??  Cuba was a threat to the US??  I don thank sooo....  Castro was a problem for the Mafia because he seized there gambling casinos and whore houses, which were very lucrative enterprises . And when he booted the Mafia out of Cuba they lost a base for smuggling drugs into the US....

Castro also hit HL Hunt pretty hard by seizing the refineries ( Sugar and OIL ) and Hunt was not a happy camper.

Excerpt from a 1991 interview of Georgie Anne Geyer on C-Span:

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LAMB: You have a rundown of the number of Cuban soldiers that were in these different countries -- 57,000 troops in Angola; 5,000 to 7,000 in Ethiopia, hundreds and thousands from South Yemen to Libya, Nicaragua, Mozambique, Syria, Equatorial Guinea -- it goes on and on. Why Cubans all over the world?
GEYER: Well, Brian, that's what's so extraordinary about Castro. I don't mean extraordinary in a desirable way, but as a power study, Fidel Castro took this little island with basically no economy except sugar -- he's destroyed that -- and he created power out of this powerlessness and power on a world stage. Those were the figures in those countries at the height of his guerrilla power, his imperialist power, if you will. When he went into Angola in 1974, he moved thousands of troops across the Atlantic. For the first time in history, troops were going across the Atlantic not from the United States but from this little island in the Caribbean. He's an incredible military man, but he can't do anything else. Everything in Cuba is so militarized. It's not communist, it's not collectivist, it's not Marxist. It is pure Third World military. If you admire military power and the mind that goes behind that, then Fidel Castro is a very interesting man.
LAMB: Where are there Cuban troops today? Anywhere?
GEYER: They're basically all coming home. The 57,000 or 58,000 troops that were in Angola are mostly home now, and that's his big problem. The other countries are also clearing out. His big problem, Brian is these 57,000 or 58,000 Cubans come home from Angola, and there is no economy to absorb them. There are no jobs. Two years ago he executed the hero of Angola, Gen. Arnoldo Ochoa -- this very excellent military officer, a quintessentially honorable man, handsome long-beaked nose, had served in Ethiopia, Angola, Nicaragua. Very loyal to Fidel, but you see, Arnoldo Ochoa did something terrible. He became a competitor to Fidel, and he never, ever allows anyone to become a competitor. He moves them out, he kills them, puts them in prison, puts them under house arrest -- whatever is the appropriate thing. The only appropriate thing in Fidel's mind for Arnoldo Ochoa was to be executed. If you see those films of that trial of Ochoa which was now two years ago this spring, it's just chilling because you could see the men -- there were four of them that were executed together -- in this Moscow-type of trial from the '30s. They looked down, they wouldn't look up. Some of them just broke down on the stands. You could see how false the whole thing was. It's a very chilling, surreal kind of place.

[Ray Mitcham]

The " very excellent military officer", Ochoa, and his colleagues were convicted of drug smuggling, and subsequently executed.

[Charles Collins]

The " very excellent military officer", Ochoa, and his colleagues were convicted of drug smuggling, and subsequently executed.

Another passage from Guerrilla Prince by Georgie Anne Geyer:


“The Ochoa "trial" that ensued shocked awake a world that had refused, before, to look with any seriousness at the way Castro used courts, trials, and his own forms of "justice." The handsome, gallant Ochoa, with his black curly hair and his long, aquiline nose, sat impassively in the courtroom in his light gray dress uniform. He looked like a man stunned, or drugged, as he stared vacuously at the floor. When Castro accused him of drug-running, Ochoa could only say finally that, even if he faced execution, "My last thought will be of Fidel, and the great Revolution he has given our people." It was the Moscow trials of the early 1930s all over again, when Stalin's closest and most innocent associates had stood up in court and veritably demanded their own deaths. But it was more than that: it was another one of Castro's personally devised "trials," in which he had since Moncada changed, and transformed, and again changed legality. In the surrealistic world that Castro had turned Cuba into, the military tribunal that tried Ochoa was even actually a legally nonexistent body. (The law on military tribunals, article 5, establishes only three jurisdictional bodies, and this was not one.) But, then, the tribunal was also composed of members ineligible for service and the testimony that convicted Ochoa, his own, was legally inadmissible. In the end, Arnaldo Ochoa, like the Moscow trial defendants, was more willing to die than to admit that his life had been lived in the services of a false ideal — and, of course, there was the question of whether he wanted his children to live. . . .”


By the way, many times this book gave me that Paul Harvey cliche feeling of: “now you know the rest of the story!” Definitely a worthwhile book!

[Charles Collins]

Here is a passage from “Guerrilla Prince by Georgie Anne Geyer that makes me wonder:

“Castro was at Varadero that Friday, talking with the editor of the French journal, L’Express, Jean Daniel. Ironically, Daniel was ostensibly there to discuss a possible rapprochement between Kennedy and Castro. It was Oscar Mori, the man who managed the Varadero property for Fidel, who first told Castro the astounding news that President Kennedy had been shot. Mori is very precise about exactly what happened. "I have books about what Fidel said and what Fidel did not say, and I know because I was the one who gave him the news. ... He did nothing. Not a gesture, not the bat of an eye. The only thing he did was not to speak anymore. He went to the living room, he sat down, and he did not say anything. His expression? It was one of sadness."

Jean Daniel recalled that Castro went to the phone. “‘¿Cómo?’ he said. ‘¿Un atentado?’ — ‘What's that? An attempted assassination?’ He then turned to us to say that Kennedy had just been struck down in Dallas," Daniel wrote. "Then he went back to the telephone and exclaimed in a loud voice, 'Wounded? Very seriously?' He came back, sat down and repeated three times the words, 'This is bad news.' He remained silent for a moment, awaiting another call with further news."


The passage is divided into two different paragraphs. Which indicates to me that the two accounts are separate. The first one is by Oscar Mori; and the second one is by Jean Daniel. In Oscar’s account, he indicates that he personally broke the news of the assassination to Castro and was physically there with Castro to see his reaction. However, in Jean Daniel’s account Castro appears to have received the news of the assassination over the phone.

I have a theory that this discrepancy between the two accounts might indicate that the phone call in Jean Daniel’s account was staged by Castro to make it look like they were with Castro as he “learned the news” of the assassination (after he had already been told the news by Moro). In other words, what Jean Daniel saw might have been an act put on by Castro for the benefit of the journalist (and therefore the record) shortly after he learned the news from Moro.

Anyone else know anything that might confirm  or derail this theory?

[Charles Collins]

Really,??  Cuba was a threat to the US??  I don thank sooo....  Castro was a problem for the Mafia because he seized there gambling casinos and whore houses, which were very lucrative enterprises . And when he booted the Mafia out of Cuba they lost a base for smuggling drugs into the US....

Castro also hit HL Hunt pretty hard by seizing the refineries ( Sugar and OIL ) and Hunt was not a happy camper.

LAMB: Then you also say this: "He was in substantial part responsible for the fall of Nikita Khrushchev, for bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war in the Missile Crisis" -- the Cuban missile crisis -- "for John Kennedy's death, for the massive and threatening Central American immigration to the Texas borders, for America's humiliation at the Bay of Pigs." There's more. And then you say -- I've got to read the last sentence -- "Hell, he once even overthrew the government in Zanzibar." One person is responsible for all this?
GEYER: I know it sounds extravagant but believe me, it is not. Nikita Khrushchev was overthrown within the Kremlin by his own people because of his failures in the missile crisis. There's no question. All the historians say that. Who got him into the missile crisis? Who got missiles into Cuba? It was Fidel Castro. He was telling Khrushchev right after the Bay of Pigs constantly, "The Americans are going to invade again. This time it's going to be American soldiers. You've got to protect me." Khrushchev wanted to put missiles in Cuba to make this geopolitical leap to the Western Hemisphere. After the Bay of Pigs, the Kennedy brothers, particularly Bobby, could never give up. They had to go on trying to assassinate Fidel. The whole thing became such a bag of worms. Without Fidel Castro, believe me, none of that would have happened.
LAMB: The death of John Kennedy?
GEYER: I can't prove anything and nobody can, Brian, but when you look at the evidence, I don't see how any discerning or discriminating person cannot come away without saying the evidence points to Fidel Castro's involvement. Lyndon Johnson told four people -- including my dear friend Marianne Means, the Hearst columnist -- he told them outright that Fidel Castro was behind the Kennedy assassination. Again, I'm not saying that Fidel personally could have caused all these, but he was the deciding hand. He was defining the guerrilla movements, he defined their ideology. He made it possible for them by giving them arms, by giving them sanctuary, by giving them training. That is the Third World genius of this man, that he created this world of military tactics and guerrillas and irregular warfare in our time.


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