CE 2562

[Walt Cakebread]

Stop being kooky.

The rifle was found south of the line of boxes near the pillar with the "No Smoking" sign.

South is towards left of picture. West is away from viewer.

South is towards bottom of picture. West is towards left.

The pillar is centered on 13' from the north wall. South face of pillar is about 13' 4 1/2". Boxes are about 16" to 18" long. Boxes further along seem to be a little more southward. Rifle was found to west of tall stack that reaches towards the "Stairway" sign.

You've got the measurements correct....The pillar's are 13 feet from the north wall...  But that is NOT where the rifle was found.....  That is where the conspirators moved the rifle to when they created the fake in situ photos.  Detective Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to the rifle at 15' 4" ......And Tom Alyea's film shows Lt Day picking up the rifle FROM THE FLOOR by the sling.   He simply reaches out and grabs the sling near the butt and lifts the rifle up to Captain Fritz.... 

[Walt Cakebread]

Alyea's film shows the area where the rifle is lifted to be in the same area as the Crime Lab photographs, if you compare the boxes in them and other features. The film doesn't show the rifle on the floor in-situ, only after Day has prepared it to be lifted by the strap.

Alyea showed a photograph being made. (This film clip not seen in YouTube video at left)

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Mr O, why are you so damned dishonest.....We both know that the Alyea clip has been posted many times and it shows Lt, Day as he stoops down and grabs the rifle that is LYING ON THE FLOOR with the sling side of the rifle up. (See at 0:44 Of the Alyea clip)

Do you think everybody is so stupid that they can't see that you've posted a copy of Alyea's film that has the frames cropped that show Lt Day stooping down to grab the sling of the rifle.

Thank you for displaying your dishonesty......

[Walt Cakebread]

I've seen the full film clip. That's why I wrote:

    "The film doesn't show the rifle on the floor in-situ,
     only after Day has prepared it to be lifted by the strap."

The full film clip begins with Day lifting the rifle from the floor, not with the rifle undisturbed. When the rifle was in-situ, Alyea was filming the Crime Lab photographer. I presume Day would have gently moved apart the boxes supporting the rifle such that the rifle could be lowered on its side and then gently picked up without disturbing prints and so forth. Excellent police work.

Such dishonesty!....  Why do you lie ?      You know the testimony of the witnesses ( Boone, Weitzman, Craig, Day, Studebaker, Alyea, and others) who all swore that the rifle was not disturbed prior to Day lifting it from the place that it had been hidden.   And Alyea's film shows Day stooping down and grabbing the rifle by the sling and picking it up.... It is NOT jammed between the boxes by the pillar that was 13 feet from the north wall.

[John Tonkovich]

What do you hope to accomplish by arguing about the size, weight,and shipping?

Solve the case!   

No, just trying to air the issue.
Oswald ordered 36" rifle.
The FBI's hurried, uh, "activities led to amazing "discoveries" , in record time.
Close examination of the provided documents reveals discrepancies, and an incomplete record.
Explanations of "routine" substitution of 40" for 36" rifles is not supported by any documentation.

[Walt Cakebread]

Solve the case!   

No, just trying to air the issue.
Oswald ordered 36" rifle.
The FBI's hurried, uh, "activities led to amazing "discoveries" , in record time.
Close examination of the provided documents reveals discrepancies, and an incomplete record.
Explanations of "routine" substitution of 40" for 36" rifles is not supported by any documentation.

Frankly, John.....Lee simply ordered the cheapest old rifle he could find .... He just wanted something for a staged photo that he thought would depict him as a heavily armed communist revolutionary ( like Fidel Castro)    I doubt that he cared if the rifle was 36 or 40 inches long.....( if he even noticed)

He and George De M ordered the carcano because it was unusual , which meant it could be traced easily.   They wanted the rifle to use in staging the BY photo, and then leaving the rifle as a "throw down gun" at Walker's house after a  bullet was fired through Walker's window.   The whole plan was intended to make Lee appear to be a communist revolutionary who had tried to shoot one of Castro's most vocal enemies ... ( Make it appear that Lee was a Castro supporter)   They thought that Lee would be welcome in Cuba...and that was their goal....  Lee wanted to infiltrate Castro's bastion and try to learn if the Russian Nuclear missiles had in fact been removed from Cuba.

Open your eyes and LOOK   I mean really LOOK at the BY photo.....  It's basically nothing but a carnival photo .....Like the silly photos where a person stands behind a picture (with a hole cut in the prop)  that shows a convict in stripes and a ball and chain around his ankle.  True,... it's not quite that obvious but CE 133A is a fraud Carnival photo, never the less.

[John Tonkovich]

Frankly, John.....Lee simply ordered the cheapest old rifle he could find .... He just wanted something for a staged photo that he thought would depict him as a heavily armed communist revolutionary ( like Fidel Castro)    I doubt that he cared if the rifle was 36 or 40 inches long.....( if he even noticed)

He and George De M ordered the carcano because it was unusual , which meant it could be traced easily.   They wanted the rifle to use in staging the BY photo, and then leaving the rifle as a "throw down gun" at Walker's house after a  bullet was fired through Walker's window.   The whole plan was intended to make Lee appear to be a communist revolutionary who had tried to shoot one of Castro's most vocal enemies ... ( Make it appear that Lee was a Castro supporter)   They thought that Lee would be welcome in Cuba...and that was their goal....  Lee wanted to infiltrate Castro's bastion and try to learn if the Russian Nuclear missiles had in fact been removed from Cuba.

Open your eyes and LOOK   I mean really LOOK at the BY photo.....  It's basically nothing but a carnival photo .....Like the silly photos where a person stands behind a picture (with a hole cut in the prop)  that shows a convict in stripes and a ball and chain around his ankle.  True,... it's not quite that obvious but CE 133A is a fraud Carnival photo, never the less.

Facts, please. Citations.

The BYphotographs are curious, especially the dueling newspapers? Trotsky versus Stalin. An unlikely pair.
 The rifle ordered, 36", versus the rifle 40", in the National Archives.
Were there two rifles?