Did Castro coerce Duran and Azcue into the fake LHO story?

[Margaret Kelly]

It's as though Leonov (at the Soviet embassy on Sunday, September 29) and Nechiporenko, Yatskov and Kostikov  (at the Soviet consulate on Friday and Saturday, September 27 and 28) were not on "the same page" regarding their lies about the "Oswald" with whom none of them probably ever met

I think Nechiporenko comes across as honest enough. I don't think they were involved in anything to do with the assassination and so had nothing to hide.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Its at 2:20 on this video:

Thanks. That Black Op piece (and frankly, Black Op is not a very credible source in my opinion) makes no sense to me.

Those two photos that the Cubans allegedly gave the HSCA (? or who?) are clearly of two different men. And who said either man said they were Oswald? The Cubans said both men said they were Oswald? And who took them? Did the Cubans have photo surveillance of their own consulate?

Two different individuals went to the Cuban consulate and said they were Oswald? And of course neither looks like Oswald in any way.

Those questions aren't for you; they're directed at the claims made in that piece you linked to.

If Castro was worried about being blamed for the assassination through Oswald's visit then why did his government release the application forms for the transit visa? It shows a photo of Oswald and handwriting experts say the signature belonged to Oswald. And, again, Duran and Mirabal both testified that the man was Oswald. Wouldn't Castro tell them too to deny it was Oswald? The Soviet officials - all KGB agents - said the man they met was Oswald. So did the real Oswald go to the Soviets but an impostor went to the Cuban consulate? Frankly, this sounds like some chicanery on the part of Cuban intelligence.

Again: this makes absolutely no sense to me as some sort of operation by Castro to prevent his government from being connected to the assassination. But, admittedly, just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it's not true.

[Thomas Graves]

I think Nechiporenko comes across as honest enough. I don't think they were involved in anything to do with the assassination and so had nothing to hide.

Margaret,

That's because you probably believe the Kremlin considered the Cold War over in 1991.

LOL

Ever heard of "active measures counterintelligence operations"?

Ever heard of "strategic deception counterintelligence operations"?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames/page/n3/mode/2up

Ever heard of Anna Chapman and her eleven "illegals" colleagues?

Etc, ad nauseam ...

--  MWT 

[Tom Scully]

Margaret,

That's because you probably believe the Kremlin considered the Cold War over in 1991.

LOL

Ever heard of "active measures counterintelligence operations"?

Ever heard of "strategic deception counterintelligence operations"?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames/page/n3/mode/2up

Ever heard of Anna Chapman and her eleven "illegals" colleagues?

Etc, ad nauseam ...

--  MWT 

Tommy, am I seeing a "consistency" in the tenor of Margaret's threads and posts?

I've tried to talk myself out of pushing back against Margaret's conclusions about Marina and Priscilla because I assume I cannot fully understand a woman's consideration of another woman's predicament, but (fortunately or unfortunately ?) the facts determine my responses.

The book "Marina And Lee" though more or less matches her testimony. It also matches Norman Mailers interviews of her for his book "Oswalds Tale" in the 1990's. I don't think Marina had anything of value to hide if the assassination was a government organized assassination. Lee never seemed to keep Marina in on his activities.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/O%20Disk/Oswald%20Marina/Pressure%20on/Item%2006.pdf


Marina. according to the WC and FBI, certainly did not keep her side of "the bargain" offered to her by Fred Harvey, described in Heitman's FBI report.

http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-following-paper-by-oic-senior.html
.....
Reading through her testimony with the Warren Commission in
Washington on February 3, 1964 the following strange dialogue took
place:

Mr. Rankin: “Do you recall the date that you arrived in the United States
with your husband, Lee Harvey Oswald?”
Mrs. OSWALD: “On the 13th of June, 1962. I am not quite certain as to
the year - '61 or '62, I think '62.”
Mr. RANKIN: “How did you come to this country?”
Mrs. OSWALD: “From Moscow via Poland, Germany, and Holland we
came to Amsterdam by train. And from Amsterdam to New York by ship,
and New York to Dallas by air.”
Mr. RANKIN: “Do you recall the name of the ship on which you came?”
Mrs. OSWALD: “I think it was the SS Rotterdam but I am not sure.”
Mr. RANKIN: “What time of the day did you arrive in New York?”
Mrs. OSWALD: “It was---about noon or 1 p.m., thereabouts. It is hard to
remember the exact time.”
Mr. RANKIN: “How long did you stay in New York at that time?”
Mrs. OSWALD: “We stayed that evening and the next 24 hours in a hotel
in New York, and then we left the following day by air.”
Mr. RANKIN: “Do you recall the name of the hotel where you stayed?”
Mrs. OSWALD: “I don't know the name of the hotel but it is in the Times
Square area, not far from the publishing offices of the New York Times.”

First, she did not know what year she arrived in the U.S. Secondly, she
did not think of noticing the difference between East- and West Germany,
which was major. Then she, for some strange reason, thought that she
and Lee came to Amsterdam instead of Rotterdam. That is like saying
we arrived at the harbor in New York when we really had arrived in
Boston. The Oswald couple had to pass through four borders that
required clearing customs; still Marina did not mention it. Finally, she did
not remember passing through Europe or how long she stayed at the first
stop in Holland, but for some weird reason she remembers the
publishing offices of the New York Times!
We are sorry, but it sure seems as if she tried to remember a manuscript,
and she was really bad at it.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/O%20Disk/Oswald%20Marina/File/Item%2059.pdf
Page 2

...Rankin asks for the surveillance after "Marina had asked to be reliRred of this by the
Secret 3-,rvice and Warren had agreed. But then Rankin had worried the Commission with his
belief that without the Secret Service on her tail (vice "artin) She'd skip to Mexico.!
On later pages the marks indicating withholding under exemptions like privacy; are:
visible. "ere the FBI people did not consider obliterating that Marina was having an
",ffair" with-Martin.
Here and on following pages Hoover does not believe the Marina fairy tale that
Oswald said he/ planned to shoot Nixon that day, a day Nixon as not in Dallas. Hoover
also does not bUieve that she'locked him in the bathroom. Hover gives his reasons:1)kt
they do not include an explanations of the locking of a bathroom door from the wrong side.
Inferences the story was made up for 44643. "..t is stile being retailed.
...

[Thomas Graves]

Tommy, am I seeing a "consistency" in the tenor of Margaret's threads and posts?

I've tried to talk myself out of pushing back against Margaret's conclusions about Marina and Priscilla because I assume I cannot fully understand a woman's consideration of another woman's predicament, but (fortunately or unfortunately ?) the facts determine my responses.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/O%20Disk/Oswald%20Marina/Pressure%20on/Item%2006.pdf


Marina. according to the WC and FBI, certainly did not keep her side of "the bargain" offered to her by Fred Harvey, described in Heitman's FBI report.
First, she did not know what year she arrived in the U.S. Secondly, she
did not think of noticing the difference between East- and West Germany,
which was major. Then she, for some strange reason, thought that she
and Lee came to Amsterdam instead of Rotterdam. That is like saying
we arrived at the harbor in New York when we really had arrived in
Boston. The Oswald couple had to pass through four borders that
required clearing customs; still Marina did not mention it. Finally, she did
not remember passing through Europe or how long she stayed at the first
stop in Holland, but for some weird reason she remembers the
publishing offices of the New York Times!
We are sorry, but it sure seems as if she tried to remember a manuscript,
and she was really bad at it.

Tom ... Tom ... Tom,

You working class hero, you.

If Marina lied, if Marina helped to cover up a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, the question remains: was it a conspiracy by the evil, evil, evil CIA, or by the humanitarian organizations known as the KGB and the DGI?

(sarcasm)

What bothers me about Margaret and Steve M. and oh-so many others, is that they are apparently ignorant about, for example, the twelve-member Anna Chapman Spy Ring that was finally rolled up in 2010, they apparently don't realize that KGB-boy Vladimir Putin installed Donald Trump as our president in January 2017, etc, etc, etc, and they apparently think we should believe the likes of KGB officers Nechiporenko, Yatskov, Kostikov and Leonov ... because ... because ... well ... THE COLD WAR IS OVER, GOSH DARN IT!

--  MWT 

PS  Have you even read this, yet?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362

Nope? To complicated?  Too many Russian names?  Too Angleton and Bagley and Golitsyn ... gasp ... exonerating? 

Too Nosenko incriminating?

You prefer Tom Mangold, David Wise and Jefferson Morley, instead, brainwashed though they are?