This doesn't really belong in the proper big "General Discussion and Debate"; but I'm not so sure about Brother John Foster Dulles, I do have the book on the Dulles brothers to read but I've been seeing some interesting info on Allen Dulles lately. How about this first article?? (It's NY Times, I know some people are against the NYT but if one criticizes it, please prove where the article is wrong). I also know of who wrote this first "Op-Ed", Stephen Kinzer who overall, I find to be a credible competent writer even if his views do not always jive with mine. BTW, Kinzer seemed to write this piece in response to the problems General David Petraeus was having per an "extra-marital" affair in the news. (Also, for the record, other Dulles related material is in this post)
Op-Ed Contributor
When a C.I.A. Director Had Scores of Affairs
By Stephen Kinzer
Nov. 10, 2012
WALKING through the lobby of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in Langley, Va., after handing in his resignation on Friday, David H. Petraeus passed a bas-relief sculpture of Allen Dulles, who led the agency in the 1950s and early ’60s. Below it is the motto, “His Monument Is Around Us.”
Both men ran the C.I.A. during some of its most active years, Dulles during the early cold war and Mr. Petraeus during the era of drone strikes and counterinsurgency operations. And both, it turns out, had high-profile extramarital affairs.
But private life for a C.I.A. director today is apparently quite different from what it was in the Dulles era. Mr. Petraeus resigned after admitting to a single affair; Allen Dulles had, as his sister, Eleanor, wrote later, “at least a hundred.”[/i]
Read more at: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/opinion/when-a-cia-director-had-scores-of-affairs.html
Okay, on to other info, this caught my eye this morning and inspired me to come up with this thread:
Full thread:
https://twitter.com/0khalodi0/status/125770686022592921714. In his book "The Game of Nations," Miles Copeland, a CIA agent in Cairo in the early 1950s, reveals that he had received instructions from CIA director Allen Dulles
asking him to find a way to topple Nasser’s anti-US policies.
15. The plan was to find an influential religious figure in the Egypt similar to the Christian missionary Billy Graham, who was a popular religious figure thanks to his sermons and his work as a spiritual advisor to a number of American presidents including Dwight Eisenhower
What Eisenhower and Dulles Saw in Nasser: Personalities and Interests in U.S.-Egyptian Relations
Through most of the 1950s, relations between the United States and Egypt were dominated by three individuals: Dwight D. Eisenhower, John Foster Dulles and Gamal Abdul Nasser. It was probably inevitable that the two Americans would find Nasser difficult to live with. Though they professed support, in principle, for the anti-colonialist nationalism Nasser represented, Eisenhower and Dulles were constrained by the fact that the United States was a status-quo power, perhaps nowhere more than in the Middle East. Nasser found the status quo obnoxious, tilted, as he thought it was, to the advantage of the West and the disadvantage of Egypt; and he did all he could to right the balance.
Compounding the problem of the different interests of Eisenhower and Dulles, on the one hand, and Nasser, on the other, was a serious clash of personalities. The American president and secretary of state never quite knew what to make of Nasser. At certain times he seemed to them a reasonable, responsible statesman like many others they had encountered in their long careers. At other times, he appeared violent, irresponsible and an unwitting stooge for the Russians. Largely because of their inability to fathom Nasser, Eisenhower and Dulles were unable to shape a consistent policy toward Egypt. As a consequence, U.S.-Egyptian relations during the eight years of the Eisenhower administration oscillated wildly, from relative amicability to spectacular contretemps that led to the decade's most astonishing fiasco and permanently altered the face of the Middle East.
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It took Eisenhower and Dulles some time, as it did many other observers, to recognize that Nasser was the source of real power behind General Muhammad Naguib. Between the anti-royalist coup of July 1952 and the beginning of 1953, American officials were unable to tell just who was setting Egypt's new course. By May 1953, though, the American ambassador in Cairo, Jefferson Caffery, felt confident enough to cable Washington: “The real direction of affairs in Egypt, it is becoming increasingly apparent, is in the hands of Nasir.” Naguib, Caffery added, was fast becoming merely “a figurehead.”1 Five weeks later, in response to Dulles's query whether reports of a clash between Naguib and Nasser meant that Naguib had lost control of Egyptian policy,2 the ambassador declared: “Naguib never had effective control over policy....Effective control was always in the hands of Nasir and his friends.”3
More: https://mepc.org/what-eisenhower-and-dulles-saw-nasser-personalities-and-interests-us-egyptian-relations
Article on Indonesia, JFK and Dulles, I'm just going to post the link:
https://www.tribunal1965.org/en/allen-dulles-indonesian-strategy-and-the-assassination-of-john-f-kennedy/Looks like it is an Indonesian website, perhaps devoted to the injustices that befell that nation in the 1960s.
I think at least, Allen Dulles is worthy of a dedicated thread. Quite a bit of unsettling information is out there about him. I do not know much on the brother except from that book.
