The Nest

[Charles Collins]

LOL… Mr. I is right,  camera angle may be correct. but the actual longer distance would probably make the head much smaller.

Never the less, this a good experiment and you might add some more wall and complete the  whole window and some % of wall and ceiling above it to see if any more shadow is cast on the face.

Euins seems to have seen only the upper portion of the gunmans head ( the bald spot) while the rest of the face apparently was in shadow.

The photos  maybe have clarified a curiosity why Euins and some other witness thought the rifle was sticking OUT the window. It appears to me that it might just be an illusion of the perspective and the angle of the rifle barrel in relation to the outer box on the window ledge.

LOL… Mr. I is right,  camera angle may be correct. but the actual longer distance would probably make the head much smaller.


The longer distance would definitely make the head appear smaller. Size is inversely proportional to distance. However, 120-feet is not enough to preclude identification. Here is an image (graph) from one of the studies:



It shows that the hits only decreased by 0.55% per yard. (And 40-yards is 120-feet.)

I don’t have great vision. But there has been numerous times when I have sat in the audience at church or a small-venue concert, at an estimated distance of 120-feet or greater, and seen music performers on stage at that distance. And when I encountered some of those people later (off stage), I recognized them.

Mr. I appears to think that one would have to see every freckle and blemish on an entire face in order to identify them. That isn’t the way it is in the real world.

[Charles Collins]

Fantastic thread!

Thanks, it is a learning experience for me. There does seem to be significant interest in it based on the views.

[John Iacoletti]

And the Loftus and Harley study I cited found that after 25 feet, face perception diminishes, and at about 150 feet, accurate face identification drops to zero.

I’ve also actually sat in Howard Brennan’s location and looked up at the building. Just because you think you could recognize performers at a concert doesn’t mean you could recognize them accurately from their faces alone in a different location and context.

[Zeon Mason]

What’s troubling is Brennan denying being able to ID the gunman that same day.

The reason he gives later is that he was apparently afraid to do so.

If he was afraid however , then should he not have remained silent about seeing a gunman period?

After all, if you are that COWARDLY that you would withhold vital information of clearly seeing the face of the gunman that SHOT THE POTUS, the ICON of YOUR COUNTRY , then surely you would not venture exposing yourself of seeing any gunman period , because YOU ARE A COWARD.

[John Iacoletti]

What’s troubling is Brennan denying being able to ID the gunman that same day.

The reason he gives later is that he was apparently afraid to do so.

If he was afraid however , then should he not have remained silent about seeing a gunman period?

After all, if you are that COWARDLY that you would withhold vital information of clearly seeing the face of the gunman that SHOT THE POTUS, the ICON of YOUR COUNTRY , then surely you would not venture exposing yourself of seeing any gunman period , because YOU ARE A COWARD.

Exactly.  He was so "afraid", he gave his name to reporters.  He was so "afraid". he didn't bother to tell his wife.  He was "afraid" even though the guy he "recognized" was in police custody.

But Oswald may have had confederates still at large.

So then what made that "fear" disappear as soon as Oswald was dead?

[Walt Cakebread]

Exactly.  He was so "afraid", he gave his name to reporters.  He was so "afraid". he didn't bother to tell his wife.  He was "afraid" even though the guy he "recognized" was in police custody.

But Oswald may have had confederates still at large.

So then what made that "fear" disappear as soon as Oswald was dead?

Excellent point!!   And don't forget that Howard B swore in his affidavit which was written just an hour or so after the murder of JFK, that " I believe that I could identify this man if I ever saw him again"

Then a couple of hours after swearing that he could ID the man if he ever saw him again, Brennan saw Lee Oswald in police custody on TV and did not recognize him, as the man that he'd seen STANDING UP behind a TSBD window..... and then shortly after that, he saw Lee Oswald in a rigged police line up , and he told the police that the man that he'd seen STANDING UP and who was dressed in KHAKI clothing, was NOT in that line up.  LHO didn't even own any KHAKI clothing.....

[Richard Smith]

What’s troubling is Brennan denying being able to ID the gunman that same day.

The reason he gives later is that he was apparently afraid to do so.

If he was afraid however , then should he not have remained silent about seeing a gunman period?

After all, if you are that COWARDLY that you would withhold vital information of clearly seeing the face of the gunman that SHOT THE POTUS, the ICON of YOUR COUNTRY , then surely you would not venture exposing yourself of seeing any gunman period , because YOU ARE A COWARD.

It must be interesting to be a JFK conspiracy theorist who believes that powerful forces were behind the murder of the president, but then be dismissive of apprehensions of a witness explaining that he was wary of becoming the target of these same conspirators.  Why would that be considered cowardly if your conspiracy theory was valid?  If there was a conspiracy to kill JFK, surely those same conspirators could arrange an "accident" for Brennan.  A perfectly reasonable consideration for any witness.  It sounds more like you dislike Brennan not because he was a coward but because he came forth and confirmed that Oswald was the assassin.  That is the source of your objection. 

[Zeon Mason]

@Richard: I’m not exactly a “Vast” conspiracy advocate and if I could resolve some things then I’d be happy to believe it was just one Marxist Socialist that shot JFK.

Brennan is a problem for me because I’m the sort of person that would have straight out spoken up and sent a message directly to brother RFK within the hour.

And if I had seen the shooter as clearly as Brennan claims he did, then I’d sure have pointed out Oswald at the very First lineup or the very First time  I saw Oswald at the police station.

There seems to have been problem with a lot of those 1963 Dealey plaza citizens acting like they were in some kind of brain fog.