When Was JBC Hit?

[Dan O'meara]

Maybe we can settle this debate by reference to the lane markers. In this frame from the 1963 Secret Service film, JFK's back is even with the end of the lane markers:
Here is CE882, the scale map of Dealey Plaza showing the lane markers on which I have shown the position of JFK when he is in the position of being even with the ends of the lane markers:

On this, I have shown the sight line from Zapruder to JFK and extended it to the right where it intersects with the very end of the curved concrete wall around the end of the reflecting pool.
So to determine the zframe that this corresponds to, we simply look for the frame in which JFK aligns with the end of that concrete wall.  It appears to be z196:

I would have to say it would be well before this position. JFK has been in the clear for almost a car length, say 15-20 feet.  Why would the shooter wait at all? I would suggest that, since JFK was visible while passing under the outer oak tree branches, the shooter could easily have pulled the trigger as soon as he was clear and did not have to wait at all.  He could have fired even a bit earlier than that while JFK was here but still quite visible:

Maybe we can settle this debate by reference to the lane markers

Rest assured, this debate was settled quite some time ago.
It was settled the day the FBI did it's reconstruction.
At z193 JFK is still passing beneath the oak tree from the SN PoV.
It doesn't matter if you don't accept that. It really doesn't matter at all.
It doesn't matter that all your arguments have been destroyed over and over again.
It doesn't matter how deep in denial you are.
None of it matters.

[Andrew Mason]

Maybe we can settle this debate by reference to the lane markers

Rest assured, this debate was settled quite some time ago.
It was settled the day the FBI did it's reconstruction.
At z193 JFK is still passing beneath the oak tree from the SN PoV.
It doesn't matter if you don't accept that. It really doesn't matter at all.
It doesn't matter that all your arguments have been destroyed over and over again.
It doesn't matter how deep in denial you are.
None of it matters.

If you are right, you should be able to show why JFK was not in the clear where the SS film shows him to be in the clear OR why that position is not z196.  You refuse to look behind the FBI reconstruction.  It was not my only ITek that didn’t agree with it.  Anyone who has looked at it has been unable to explain their findings. We can see from the SS film with a better car with seats similar to those in the SX100 that JFK would have been in clear view from the SN well before z207.  To suggest that he waited until z222 is just speculation.

[Zeon Mason]

@Andrew; Is your Z193  hit on JC include the  bullet going thru his wrist bone before it hits JCs leg?

If so that could slow the bullet down a little more but I’m not sure if it would be enough velocity lost to cause only a shallow wound in JCs leg.

The WC scenario has the bullet being slowed down to about 900 ft/sec when it exited more JCs body and then slowed even more because it was tumbling when it hit JCs wrist and supposedly entered the wrist backwards , before it exited thru the hand and into JCs leg.

So I’m uncertain if you were suggesting that the bullet exiting JFK s throat started tumbling at that point and or if it hit JCs wrist bone backwards similar to the WC theory.

[Andrew Mason]

@Andrew; Is your Z193  hit on JC include the  bullet going thru his wrist bone before it hits JCs leg?

If so that could slow the bullet down a little more but I’m not sure if it would be enough velocity lost to cause only a shallow wound in JCs leg.

The WC scenario has the bullet being slowed down to about 900 ft/sec when it exited more JCs body and then slowed even more because it was tumbling when it hit JCs wrist and supposedly entered the wrist backwards , before it exited thru the hand and into JCs leg.

So I’m uncertain if you were suggesting that the bullet exiting JFK s throat started tumbling at that point and or if it hit JCs wrist bone backwards similar to the WC theory.

Here is the trajectory from the SN through JFK at z195:


The 10g bullet striking JBC’s wrist after passing through his chest was going fast enough to do serious damage to the radius bone.  So it might seem surprising that the bullet after passing through JFK’s neck would not do serious damage to the femur.  The main difference is that the bullet passed through a large amount of strong neck muscle and then was tumbling end over end and then struck the thigh obliquely and butt-first whereas the bullet through JBC did not pass through large muscle mass in the torso or wrist and struck nose-first directly on the radius.  We also don’t know how the bullet, CE399, came out of the thigh wound.  It may have deflected away from the femur after striking it and denting the base.  So it may not have come to rest in the thigh.  The recent claim by Paul Landis was that the bullet was found on the back seat. If true, the bullet had enough energy to keep going and strike something hard enough to bounce back to the back seat.