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[John Iacoletti]

I don't think you'll ever find it, Joffrey.

[Martin Weidmann]

Gentlemen, - Tim, John, Martin-

It appears I misspoke and apologize. However it seemed logical and rational to me that the officer who found the jacket actually called it in himself. 

But I note that in the radio log officer Griffin refers to more than just himself by the use of the phrase We believe this is it.  Therefore the possibility that he just called it in after another officer found the jacket can not be denied. No doubt the officer who actually discovered the discarded jacket in the parking lot typed up a report or is listed on the evidence log sheet, but I can't bloody find it. Most annoying 

Joffrey,

You will never be able to find that report because IMO it doesn't exist. In fact, to this day, nobody knows who the officer was that found the jacket under the car, nor does anybody know who the officer was who took the jacket to the police station, where it suddenly showed up some two hours later, again in possession of Westbrook, who had some officers, who were not even in the chain of custody, initial it before handing it in to the evidence room at around 3pm (if memory serves).

By then of course the white jacket had suddenly become grey. Go figure.

[Walt Cakebread]

Griffin was the officer who reported to Dispatch that the jacket had been found.

Do you believe that Griffin would have reported that he had found a WHITE Jacket if the Jacket had been gray?   The jacket in evidence is NOT WHITE......

[Tim Nickerson]

Griffin was the officer who reported to Dispatch that the jacket had been found.

Do you believe that Griffin would have reported that he had found a WHITE Jacket if the Jacket had been gray?   The jacket in evidence is NOT WHITE......

Hi Walt, I hope that you're doing well.  Maybe Griffin saw this jacket:





What do you think? Possible?

[John Mytton]

Hi Walt, I hope that you're doing well.  Maybe Griffin saw this jacket:





What do you think? Possible?

 

At the end of the day the jacket was filmed at the parking lot and the eyewitnesses said Oswald was wearing a similar jacket when he either killed Tippit or was moving away from the crime scene. Oswald is later arrested WITHOUT the jacket!







Mr. BENAVIDES - I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.
Mr. BELIN - Did it have buttons or a zipper, or do you remember?
Mr. BENAVIDES - It seemed like it was a zipper-type jacket.

Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Was the jacket open or closed up?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was open.

Mrs. MARY BROCK, 4310 Utah, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, she was at the Ballew Texaco Service Station located in the 600 block of Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. She advised that at approximately 1:30 PM a white male described as approximately 30 years of age; 5 feet, 10 inches; light—colored complexion, wearing light clothing, came past her walking at a fast pace, wearing a light—colored jacket and with his hands in his pockets.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a lithe sort of light-gray-looking jacket.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket.
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; a light gray jacket and a white T-shirt.

Mrs. ROBERTS. He wasn't running, but he was walking pretty fast---he was all but running.
Mr. BALL. Then, what happened after that?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He went to his room and he was in his shirt sleeves but I couldn't tell you whether it was a long-sleeved shirt or what color it was or nothing, and he got a jacket and put it on---it was kind of a zipper jacket.

Your eyes can deceive you don't trust them!



JohnM

[Richard Smith]

Griffin was the officer who reported to Dispatch that the jacket had been found.

Do you believe that Griffin would have reported that he had found a WHITE Jacket if the Jacket had been gray?   The jacket in evidence is NOT WHITE......

Show ten people a color picture of Oswald's jacket and ask them what color it is.  I bet you get several different responses white, gray, tan.  It is a non-descript color.  We know Oswald was wearing a jacket when he left his boardinghouse around 1PM but he is not wearing it less than a hour later when arrested.   Where do you think it went?

[Martin Weidmann]

Show ten people a color picture of Oswald's jacket and ask them what color it is.  I bet you get several different responses white, gray, tan.  It is a non-descript color.  We know Oswald was wearing a jacket when he left his boardinghouse around 1PM but he is not wearing it less than a hour later when arrested.   Where do you think it went?

Speculating about what did or did not happen to a jacket is by no standard evidence of anything.

No we don't know that Oswald was wearing a jacket when he left the boardinghouse. The only person who claimed that Oswald left wearing a jacket was Earlene Roberts and she failed to identify CE 162 because she believed that Oswald's jacket was darker. Buell Frazier's testimony suggests that Oswald was wearing CE 162 to Irving on Thursday evening. If Frazier is correct, there is no way that same jacket could have been at North Beckley at 1PM the next day.

[Martin Weidmann]

JohnM

Why are there initials on the jacket of DPD officers who were never part of the chain of custody?

Captain Westbrook testified that a police officer he could not identify found the jacket and showed it to him as it was still under the car. Westbrook then gave the jacket to another officer, who he also could not name, and moved on to the Texas Theater. In several radio calls the jacket was described as being white. The officer who called in the discovery of the jacket was J.T. Griffin of the Traffic Division, but his initial isn't on the jacket.

Then the jacket somehow disappears until it (or at least a grey colored jacket) shows up at DPD Headquarters in the possession of Captain Westbrook who presents it to the Identification Bureau at 3PM. He stated that the initials WEB and GMD were placed there by officers, but who they are is unknown.