Four times Toni Foster said, "The car stopped!"

[Jake Maxwell]

I've read that he thought there might have been a motorcycle backfire or that he had a tire blowout and tapped the brakes...
I really tend to think that is his cover... He is looking steady toward JFK up until the fatal moment...

[Jack Trojan]

What makes you say that the Zapruder Film may not be the original?

Because what we see was edited and copied with an optical printer.

No, it's the same film that's simply been stabilized but I'm glad that it is redefining your reality.

Ya, the same original "edited" film. You are so naive re film analysis it's comical. Garbage in garbage out. The film was not simply stabilized it was masked. There isn't a single original, unedited frame from the Z film yet you claim it is a true representation of the film that somehow proves something.

The reason it looks great is because the original hand held shaky footage is mathematically perfect which just happens to be typical of the Real World.

Huh? WTF are you talking about?

Tell me Jack, how much more scientifically validated evidence do you need?

  You think that video was scientifically validated evidence? You have shown over and over that science and logic are not your friends.

Decades ahead of the rest of the World "they" were spending trillions of dollars so they could produce the advanced CGI workstations with enough computer cycles to render these photorealistic fantasies, how about that!

WTF are you talking about? You think it is difficult to remove a few frames from 2 films showing the same event? Piece of cake, especially when you don't return the original films.

So you're saying that the above films were somehow altered to create the exact same scene from two totally different angles and these alterations were accomplished back in the 60's, how?

I never claimed the Z film was altered to hide the limo stopping. Speed it up maybe, but I only called you out for claiming a highly edited 4th-party youtube video proves anything. And this coming from someone who knows worse than nothing about image analysis.

The question you LNers keep dodging is why Greer slowed down the limo in the 1st place? Where in the SS handbook does it say at the 1st sign of trouble, slow down, turn around and watch the POTUS get his head blown off?

Btw what happened to your backyard photo boasts, after I schooled you, you suddenly disappeared!? LMAO!

YOU schooled ME? Didn't you slink away when I totally discredited you re the backyard photos and your ridiculous notion that your fade gifs proved something? And how can you school me when you know practically nothing about any of this? I don't live on this forum like you do, so why would I need to return to a thread and re-school you when a diehard LNer never learns anything? BTW, do you still think that your morph algorithm tracks facial features like facial recognition does? And do you still think that they prove anything? Mytton ≠ Scientist!

And if you are such a glutton for punishment, go ahead and bump that thread you were talking about and I'll destroy you again. Otherwise, your defeat was complete and your responses were too inconsequential for me to even remember the thread or bother to respond to your BS. LMAO.

JTrojan

[Barry Pollard]

People said "firecrackers", "gunfire", "explosions" but when we find them in the evidence they are usually smiling or waving through it.
Greer and Kellerman react only to JBC screaming IMHO. Only one bullet has entered the vehicle so far and it stopped inside that same man.
So Bill is looking to see what the trouble is or, he was actually psycho.
Again an opinion but to drive from Love Field knowing your heading into an ambush, in an open top vehicle, with no protection takes some doing and summoning up a cheesy smile as you turn onto Elm, that's some bulls, with me driving the limo would be wrecked, fenders hanging off, occupants all distressed...
Assassin used the opportunity of the limo slowing to register the best shot, a gift from god after a nervey start.
Why would the conspirators involve the driver unless the USSS were themselves at the very heart of it?

PS. Greer never admitted hitting the brakes IIRC.

[Steve Logan]

Why didn't Greer stop the limo for the first shot? Did he wait until Kennedy was shot until he decided to stop/slow down the limo ? Was he waiting for the "stickman" in the infield area to signal him  ? Inquiring kook bags need answers. 

[Bill Chapman]

I've read that he thought there might have been a motorcycle backfire or that he had a tire blowout and tapped the brakes...
I really tend to think that is his cover... He is looking steady toward JFK up until the fatal moment...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Greer

[Excerpt]

Secret Service procedures in place at the time did not allow Greer to take action without orders from senior agent Roy Kellerman, who sat to Greer's right. Kellerman has stated that he shouted, "Let's get out of line, we've been hit," but that Greer apparently turned to look at Kennedy, initiating a fatal delay, before accelerating the car out of the danger zone.[6] As Roy Kellerman told author William Manchester, "Greer then looked in the back of the car. Maybe he didn't believe me."[7]

[Bill Chapman]

People said "firecrackers", "gunfire", "explosions" but when we find them in the evidence they are usually smiling or waving through it.
Greer and Kellerman react only to JBC screaming IMHO. Only one bullet has entered the vehicle so far and it stopped inside that same man.
So Bill is looking to see what the trouble is or, he was actually psycho.
Again an opinion but to drive from Love Field knowing your heading into an ambush, in an open top vehicle, with no protection takes some doing and summoning up a cheesy smile as you turn onto Elm, that's some bulls, with me driving the limo would be wrecked, fenders hanging off, occupants all distressed...
Assassin used the opportunity of the limo slowing to register the best shot, a gift from god after a nervey start.
Why would the conspirators involve the driver unless the USSS were themselves at the very heart of it?

PS. Greer never admitted hitting the brakes IIRC.

Seems to me Greer's foot pressure on the gas pedal might have relaxed somewhat as he twisted around to look behind. And I don't know why anyone would sign on to a plan that would require him to ride in an open-topped vehicle which would be the target of multiple snipers, world class or not.

Great plan: Get the driver to conspire, at the very real risk of having him getting last-minute cold feet and aborting the mission 

Let's see a Greer backstory that would, plausibly, point to him as a candidate for such lunacy.

[Barry Pollard]

Does the grimace into the sun caught by dad turn into cheesy grin for Tina? I still think so.

But I guess with JBC looking so worried in 95% of the images the same logic would suggest he knew, or at least he was worried about something, personally I have no trouble with the latter.

[Jack Trojan]

Why didn't Greer stop the limo for the first shot? Did he wait until Kennedy was shot until he decided to stop/slow down the limo ? Was he waiting for the "stickman" in the infield area to signal him  ? Inquiring kook bags need answers.

Here are some kook bag answers for you Proctoboy.  Let's begin with the most likely premise, that this was a conspiracy. All but the LNers think Oswald acted alone. The rest of the world thinks he was a patsy. The conspirators empowered you LNer shills to be the DWC (Defenders of the Warren Commission). Your mission was to extend the debate just long enough for all involved to croak. So far, so good, your efforts have managed to provide token opposition and cast doubt on the conspiracy to almost call this one a 100% successful coup d'etat. Only GHWB remains to stick a fork in this one. Once all the conspirators are dead and they get off scott-free, 100% win! But that's like a no-hitter going into the 9th. Otherwise, the conspirators won this one clean when the foxes formed the WC hen house.

Why didn't Greer stop the limo for the first shot?

Where/when was that?

• Then ask Greer why he stopped the limo when turning onto Elm?
• Then ask yourself why Oswald didn't take a shot with JFK 60 feet directly in front of him at a dead stop?
• Then ask yourself why the FBI cut out that section of the Z film?

Did he wait until Kennedy was shot until he decided to stop/slow down the limo ?

No, Greer knew the exact place on Elm to slow the limo down to, the Turkey Shoot Point (TSP). Whether Greer knew why he was slowing the limo down is unknown. Same as the SS agent that got called off of the back of the limo and responded with WTF open arms. Obviously, some SS agents were in on it and some weren't. I doubt that any of them knew how deep the rabbit hole went, they were just pawns with minimal need to know info re the coup. Once it all went down, they were committed to STFU.

So why do I claim the Z film was edited? Because there are obvious splice points in the film and Zapruder did not recall taking his finger off the camera trigger as the motorcade turned onto Elm. But the most important aspect is that the Z film is missing the "1st Overexposure Frame" when you stop then start a film camera. The Z film that we see is clearly a copy and the turn onto Elm has been erased. So what happened at the turn onto Elm and why didn't Oswald take the 1st shot?

JFK wasn't killed until he reached the TSP so the conspirators could paint the narrative that Oswald was shooting at him from the TSBD. The TSP was designed to allow the snipers full access to JFK and if you timed it right, you could make 3 or 4 shots sound like 1, which was the case. One of those shots was from the knoll and it was frangible. This shot blew out a gaping hole in the right temple of JFK. A simultaneous shot from the overpass likely created the hole in the back of JFK's head (which the medicos and Z film editors tried their darndest to erase from the records).

With so much other evidence pointing to Oswald being a patsy, why do you cling to the LN narrative, Proctoboy?