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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2018, 02:10:13 AM »
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The frame in question---------------------------


"Where's Myers when we need him?"


The cashew shape that some think is evidence of the real rear blow-out.

I think that would be his ear on the right, rather than the damage seen in earlier frames??

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2018, 02:10:13 AM »


Offline John Mytton

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2018, 04:24:10 AM »
Why did he study just one photo?

And his report  is  based on poor conclusions.
"Hany Farid report3.3. Posture
?It has been argued that Oswald is leaning so far to the left as to be physically implausible. Our 3-D model allows for arbitrary views of Oswald?s body and measurements of his posture. Shown in Figure 7 are four renderings of Oswald?s body taken from the front, back, and left and right sides, each of which look qualitatively reasonable. The tilt of Oswald?s body was measured to be a physically plausible five degrees from vertical.?

Only problem is Farid was measuring the tilt on a photo which itself was out of tilt. On correcting the tilt, the angle that Oswald is standing is nearer to be a physically implausible 10˚ from vertical NOT 5˚.

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Only problem is Farid was measuring the tilt on a photo which itself was out of tilt. On correcting the tilt, the angle that Oswald is standing is nearer to be a physically implausible 10˚ from vertical NOT 5˚.

10˚ ?

Tell me Ray, how did you arrive at a physically implausible 10˚?

Btw I truly don't understand where all this goes, are you saying that when they took the photo of their "Oswald" that he was he was leaning on a post or maybe he was held up with skyhooks?



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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2018, 03:53:41 PM »
Is that a gouge I see in that umbrella?

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2018, 05:38:58 PM »

Only problem is Farid was measuring the tilt on a photo which itself was out of tilt. On correcting the tilt, the angle that Oswald is standing is nearer to be a physically implausible 10˚ from vertical NOT 5˚.

Looks like Ray goes to the Cakebread Correspondence School of Gut-Feel Analysis.



Let's just say I wouldn't want a CT plumbing my doors.

Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2018, 05:57:30 PM »
Looks like Ray goes to the Cakebread Correspondence School of Gut-Feel Analysis.



Let's just say I wouldn't want a CT plumbing my doors.

Maybe you should plumb your photo first, Jerry.

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2018, 06:17:43 PM »
Maybe you should plumb your photo first, Jerry.

Why? The area behind where Oswald is standing happens to be the most-true-to-vertical part of the 133A photo.

How about producing some graphics of your own? Gut feelings and vague hunches aren't that measurable.

Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2018, 06:36:04 PM »
Why? The area behind where Oswald is standing happens to be the most-true-to-vertical part of the 133A photo.

How about producing some graphics of your own? Gut feelings and vague hunches aren't that measurable.


Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2018, 06:56:13 PM »
The Oswald tilt article by Farid:

https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/downloads/publications/jdfsl15.pdf

Thanks Tom. Note the difference in the vertical angle of the stair post in the Farid photo and the one submitted by Jerry.

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Re: Z-317 shows no rearward blowout
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2018, 06:56:13 PM »