Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?

[Mitch Todd]

So the group that didn't punish anyone for violating rules wouldn't let non-believers of the official theory copy their manual. Say it isn't so.

In other words, no one can provide any support for the 44mph claim. I've asked repeatedly, and no one has ever been able to substantiate it.

You can mock Fletcher Prouty all you want, but he was the Air Force's CIA liason and worked on numerous presidential trips in regards to security. What are your qualifications?

He was also a crack investigator for the Church of Scientology who "found" that L Ron Hubbard was a super-secret double-nought agent for the ONI in WWII. He first achieved public notice by claiming that Alex Butterfield (who oversaw the installation of the soon-to-be infamous taping system in the Nixon White House) was a CIA plant. He associated with Neo-Nazi sympathizer Willis Carto and Carto's Liberty Lobby.

He was AF liaison with the CIA, not the Secret Service, and IIRC, no one has ever been able to substantiate his claim that he'd been involved in Presidential security, or explain what his role would have been, or show that he would have been exposed to the rules and standards that he claimed to be familiar with.
AFAIK, no one has ever been able to independently corroborate Prouty's claims about Presidential motorcade security.

There was NO need for those turns. End of story.

The motorcade moved at parade speed, about 15mph. At that speed, those turns would have done little to slow the limo down, even with its extra length. That is, the point you're trying to make isn't really much of a point. Anyway, if reducing the President's vulnerability was the priority, they wouldn't have gone to downtown in the first place; they would have gone from Love Field to Mockingbird to Harry Hines, thence the Trade Mart, avoiding the extra trip downtown altogether.

[Rob Caprio]

In other words, no one can provide any support for the 44mph claim. I've asked repeatedly, and no one has ever been able to substantiate it.
He was also a crack investigator for the Church of Scientology who "found" that L Ron Hubbard was a super-secret double-nought agent for the ONI in WWII. He first achieved public notice by claiming that Alex Butterfield (who oversaw the installation of the soon-to-be infamous taping system in the Nixon White House) was a CIA plant. He associated with Neo-Nazi sympathizer Willis Carto and Carto's Liberty Lobby.

He was AF liaison with the CIA, not the Secret Service, and IIRC, no one has ever been able to substantiate his claim that he'd been involved in Presidential security, or explain what his role would have been, or show that he would have been exposed to the rules and standards that he claimed to be familiar with.
AFAIK, no one has ever been able to independently corroborate Prouty's claims about Presidential motorcade security.

The motorcade moved at parade speed, about 15mph. At that speed, those turns would have done little to slow the limo down, even with its extra length. That is, the point you're trying to make isn't really much of a point. Anyway, if reducing the President's vulnerability was the priority, they wouldn't have gone to downtown in the first place; they would have gone from Love Field to Mockingbird to Harry Hines, thence the Trade Mart, avoiding the extra trip downtown altogether.

Cite for your claim of 15 m.p.h. being "parade speed."

[Jerry Freeman]

any support for the 44mph claim

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Guys Guys- go start a silly motorcade speed thread!!
This is  the General Walker thread.

[Mitch Todd]

I think quite a few CTs are on the right.

Oh, mon oui, monsieur! Mary Ferrell comes to mind. But some are farther right than others. Carto and his bunch could really get out there. Like Instiute of Historical Review out there.

Remember Cyril Wecht and the Alien Autopsy? Jim Garrison? Some well-known CTs are 911-Truthers.

Wecht's association with the Alien Autopsy thing was purely business, I suspect. His part was to get asked if the "film" showed accepted autopsy procedures, and say "yes." That was about it. Prouty flitted around the LL for a number of years.

[Mitch Todd]

Cite for your claim of 15 m.p.h. being "parade speed."

From Greer:

"After we left the airport, we drove several miles at speeds ranging from 15 to 30 miles per hour depending on the crowds. When we reached the business section of Dallas the crowds were very large and the motorcycle Police along side the President's automobile had a hard time keeping the people back.

"When we came to a point where the crowd had thinned out, there was a right turn for about half a block and then a left turn. At this point, I would say the President's automobile was traveling about 12 to 15 miles per hour."

The "business section of Dallas" where the limo had to slow down was, of course, Downtown.   

[Bill Chapman]

In other words, no one can provide any support for the 44mph claim. I've asked repeatedly, and no one has ever been able to substantiate it.
He was also a crack investigator for the Church of Scientology who "found" that L Ron Hubbard was a super-secret double-nought agent for the ONI in WWII. He first achieved public notice by claiming that Alex Butterfield (who oversaw the installation of the soon-to-be infamous taping system in the Nixon White House) was a CIA plant. He associated with Neo-Nazi sympathizer Willis Carto and Carto's Liberty Lobby.

He was AF liaison with the CIA, not the Secret Service, and IIRC, no one has ever been able to substantiate his claim that he'd been involved in Presidential security, or explain what his role would have been, or show that he would have been exposed to the rules and standards that he claimed to be familiar with.
AFAIK, no one has ever been able to independently corroborate Prouty's claims about Presidential motorcade security.

The motorcade moved at parade speed, about 15mph. At that speed, those turns would have done little to slow the limo down, even with its extra length. That is, the point you're trying to make isn't really much of a point. Anyway, if reducing the President's vulnerability was the priority, they wouldn't have gone to downtown in the first place; they would have gone from Love Field to Mockingbird to Harry Hines, thence the Trade Mart, avoiding the extra trip downtown altogether.

In a way, Kennedy was the master of his own destruction, since he insisted on a motorcade against the wishes of Connally and others.

[Mitch Todd]

In a way, Kennedy was the master of his own destruction, since he insisted on a motorcade against the wishes of Connally and others.

No more so than someone who wants to walk to the mailbox and is killed by an errant car.  To be a politician in a democracy, you have to present yourself to the public, and that carries certain inherent risks.

[Richard Smith]

So John believes Marina had total recall here but otherwise claims her memory is faulty.  Notice he doesn't even attempt to explain why Marina would say this.  Is she making up the entire incident?  If so, why since she must know it would be unlikely that Nixon would be in Dallas on some random date and, thus, it could easily be verified that this didn't happen.  It doesn't make sense as a fabrication if you give it more than two seconds of thought.  So what is a plausible explanation?  Maybe that she simply confused Nixon for LBJ because they were both VPs.  That connects all dots in story - time, place, and newspaper accounts line up.  John doesn't even try to make any counter explanation.  He selectively takes a piece of testimony and then leaves a gaping void of logic unaddressed.