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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #136 on: September 10, 2018, 06:22:46 PM »
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  Rowlands thought the two people below the SN window were two black women! 
Where did he say that?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #136 on: September 10, 2018, 06:22:46 PM »


Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #137 on: September 10, 2018, 06:37:04 PM »


It's been pointed that if Williams was in the SN corner, he couldn't see over to the SW corner (above: view at SW corner looking east). Rowlands thought the two people below the SN window were two black women! So it's anyone's guess what he actually saw

You should read the testimony more closely, Jerry. The two black women he saw he said were on the second floor.

"Mr. ROWLAND - Those pair of windows. I think this was all on that floor.
Here on this floor.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating the second floor?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Circle the windows and mark it with a "0" if you will.
Mr. ROWLAND - I think it was this pair immediately over the door, and this pair.
Mr. SPECTER - Mark one "0" and one "D," if you will.
(Witness marking.)

Mr. ROWLAND - Here I know there were two Negro women, I think.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating window "0." You say two Negro women?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And were those women each in one window, both in one window or what?
Mr. ROWLAND - They were one in each window. Then at the window "D" there was one, one window open.
Mr. SPECTER - Which was that, indicate that by an arrow, if you please.
(Witness marking.)

Mr. ROWLAND - Here I know there were two Negro women, I think.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating window "0." You say two Negro women?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And were those women each in one window, both in one window or what?
Mr. ROWLAND - They were one in each window. Then at the window "D" there was one, one window open.
Mr. SPECTER - Which was that, indicate that by an arrow, if you please.

(Witness marking.)
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #138 on: September 10, 2018, 08:49:54 PM »
..your expectations of immediate responses assumes that people are spending all their time sitting on every post that pops up.
Don't you?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #138 on: September 10, 2018, 08:49:54 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #139 on: September 10, 2018, 10:10:55 PM »
Barbara was with him the whole time that he was speaking with the agents and said he didn't tell the agents about a second person.

Speaking of giving different answers...

Mr. BELIN. DO you know whether or not he told them, the police officers, that there was any other person on the sixth floor that he saw?
Mrs. ROWLAND. He never said that there was another person on the sixth floor, in my presence, that I can remember.
Mr. BELIN. Were you present when he was with the police officers?
Mrs. ROWLAND. At times.
Mr. BELIN. On Sunday morning, November 24th?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Were you personally with him throughout the time that he was
with the police officers?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. And he, in your presence, never said that he saw anyone on the sixth floor other than the man with the rifle?
Mrs. ROWLAND. No. He never said in my presence that there was another man other than the man with the rifle on the sixth floor.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #140 on: September 10, 2018, 10:13:31 PM »
By that standard, Day told Drain about the palm print late on Friday. Drain could not recall. But "Rusty" Livingstone was in the room at the time and he said Drain was "half listening to Lieutenant Day and half to the other FBI man and evidently didn't get the word about the palm print at that time."

Did Livingston say that he heard Day tell Drain about the palm print?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #141 on: September 10, 2018, 10:20:05 PM »
They asked him three times and each time he gave a different answer. Yes, No , and maybe he looked at the window

So if witnesses give contradictory or inconsistent accounts then then they must be lying.  Is that what you're saying?

Euins told a reporter the shooter was black, then told the FBI the shooter was white, then told the Warren Commission he didn't know if the shooter was black or white.

Brennan couldn't identify the shooter on 11/22, and then several days later decided that he could.

Givens told the FBI that he saw Oswald on the first floor at 11:50 and several months later decided that he saw Oswald on the 6th floor at 11:50.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #142 on: September 10, 2018, 10:36:07 PM »
If it is to be believed then time altered his memory and it is a description of Jarman, Norman, and BRW when they were leaning out of the window while on the fifth floor not the sixth floor.

But there were no African-Americans on the 5th floor at 12:15.  So not only did Rowland get the floor wrong and the time wrong (despite the giant clock on the roof), but he got the number of guys wrong too?

And this is more plausible than Rowland seeing BRW (who we know was on the 6th floor at 12:15) because . . . ?


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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #143 on: September 10, 2018, 10:41:30 PM »
What part did the WC believe? The line of questioning indicated they did not believe any of what he was saying including the man with a rifle.  BRW could see all the way to the west wall and there was nobody there.

Unless BRW was actually in the "SN" where several of the LEOs saw a lunch sack.

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Rowland obviously possess an overactive imagination and it shows throughout his testimony.

He has nothing on Helen Markham.

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When the shooting started BRW was hanging out of the 5th floor window trying to see who was shooting. Not the actions of some one who had been interacting with LHO moments before.

Who said BRW was interacting with Oswald?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #143 on: September 10, 2018, 10:41:30 PM »