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Offline Nicholas Turner

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2018, 08:22:05 AM »
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Mr. ROWLAND. At the time I saw the man in the other window, I saw this man hanging out the window first. It was a colored man, I think.
Representative FORD. Is this the same window where you saw the man standing with the rifle?
Mr. ROWLAND. No; this was the one on the east end of the building, the one that they said the shots were fired from.
Representative FORD. I am not clear on this now. The window that you saw the man that you describe was on what end of the building?
Mr. ROWLAND. The west, southwest corner.
Representative FORD. And the man you saw hanging out from the window was at what corner?
Mr. ROWLAND. The east, southeast corner.
Representative FORD. Southeast corner. On the same floor?
Mr. ROWLAND. On the same floor.
Representative FORD. When did you notice him?
Mr. ROWLAND. This was before I noticed the other man with the rifle.
Representative FORD. I see. This was before you saw the man in the window with the rifle?
Mr. ROWLAND. Yes.

Arnold did not mention seeing the African-American male in any statement. He did not know where the shots were fired from until the SaPersonay. He told the FBI agents about seeing the African-American male but they were only interested in seeing if he could ID the white male gunman.

He DID tell Deputy Sheriff Craig that he saw TWO men on the 6th floor, ten minutes post assassination.

Thanks, find his testimony a little hard to understand. Where is the evidence he told Sheriff Craig please?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2018, 08:22:05 AM »


Offline Nicholas Turner

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #89 on: September 06, 2018, 08:41:30 AM »
Am watching Roger Craig's interview where he says this.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2018, 08:53:49 AM »
Mr. SPECTER. When, if at all, did you first report what you had observed in the Texas School Book Depository Building about the man with the rifle to anyone in an official position?
Mr. ROWLAND. That was approximately 15 minutes after the third report that I went to an officer, he was a plainclothesman who was there combing the area, close to position "C," looking for footprints and such as this, some lady said someone jumped off one of the colonnades and started running, there was an officer looking in this area for footprints and such as this.
Mr. SPECTER. Was that lady ever identified to you?
Mr. ROWLAND. No; I do not remember his name. He introduced himself and showed me his ID.
Mr. SPECTER. I mean the lady you talked about.
Mr. ROWLAND. No; I don't.
Mr. SPECTER. Now as to the officer to whom you made a report, was he a State, City or Federal official, if you know?
Mr. ROWLAND. It was a Dallas detective.

Mr. BELIN. Did anyone say they had seen anything?such as a rifle?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes; later on. A few minutes after that?I had taken this girl to one of our criminal investigators?and was talking to some other people. I talked to a young couple and the boy said he saw two men on the?uh?sixth floor of the Book Depository Building over there; one of them had a rifle with the telescopic sight on it?but he thought they were Secret Service agents on guard and didn't report it. This was about?uh?oh, he said, 15 minutes before the motorcade ever arrived.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if that boy's name would have been Arnold Rowland?(spelling) R-o-w-l-a-n-d?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Does that sound like it?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes; it sounds like the name?yes.
Mr. BELIN. His wife might be Barbara Rowland?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes; I believe her name was Barbara.

The "two men on the 6th floor,....one with a rifle" could only have come from Arnold Rowland.

Hence Arnold had corroboration from a law enforcement officer some 10 - 15 minutes post assassination while in Dealey Plaza.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2018, 02:40:28 PM »
Mr. SPECTER. When, if at all, did you first report what you had observed in the Texas School Book Depository Building about the man with the rifle to anyone in an official position?
Mr. ROWLAND. That was approximately 15 minutes after the third report that I went to an officer, he was a plainclothesman who was there combing the area, close to position "C," looking for footprints and such as this, some lady said someone jumped off one of the colonnades and started running, there was an officer looking in this area for footprints and such as this.
Mr. SPECTER. Was that lady ever identified to you?
Mr. ROWLAND. No; I do not remember his name. He introduced himself and showed me his ID.
Mr. SPECTER. I mean the lady you talked about.
Mr. ROWLAND. No; I don't.
Mr. SPECTER. Now as to the officer to whom you made a report, was he a State, City or Federal official, if you know?
Mr. ROWLAND. It was a Dallas detective.

Mr. BELIN. Did anyone say they had seen anything?such as a rifle?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes; later on. A few minutes after that?I had taken this girl to one of our criminal investigators?and was talking to some other people. I talked to a young couple and the boy said he saw two men on the?uh?sixth floor of the Book Depository Building over there; one of them had a rifle with the telescopic sight on it?but he thought they were Secret Service agents on guard and didn't report it. This was about?uh?oh, he said, 15 minutes before the motorcade ever arrived.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember if that boy's name would have been Arnold Rowland?(spelling) R-o-w-l-a-n-d?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Does that sound like it?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes; it sounds like the name?yes.
Mr. BELIN. His wife might be Barbara Rowland?
Mr. CRAIG. Yes; I believe her name was Barbara.

The "two men on the 6th floor,....one with a rifle" could only have come from Arnold Rowland.

Hence Arnold had corroboration from a law enforcement officer some 10 - 15 minutes post assassination while in Dealey Plaza.

The WC did not need to introduce other witnesses to dispel Rowland's fabrications. He did that all an his own with his own contradictory testimony. Six different times in his statement he is shown to be lying. Great witness, why wouldn't anyone believe him.

Craig doesn't even corroborate Rowland's story. In his WC statement Craig  states the men were both in the SW corner and they were both white. No where near what Rowland had stated. Both Rowland and Craig never mention an additional person until they appear in front of the commission.
The whole story is made up from start to finish.

They should have been charged for deliberately fabricating stories to the commission.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2018, 02:58:51 PM »
Craig doesn't even corroborate Rowland's story. In his WC statement Craig  states the men were both in the SW corner and they were both white. No where near what Rowland had stated.
Where does he state that?


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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2018, 02:58:51 PM »


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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #93 on: September 06, 2018, 05:29:27 PM »
Carolyn Walther, she of "She is positive this window was not as high as the sixth floor"?
Ruby Henderson, who's account sounds a lot like her seeing Jarman and Norman?
The Norm Similas whom the RCMP decided was a hoax? The Similas who claimed that a Secret Service agent opened the door of the limo in Dealey Plaza to reveal JFK on the floor?
The Johnny Powell who pops out of the woodwork a decade and a half later?

Fair enough.  As opposed to:

Howard "failed to identify" Brennan
Charles "willing to change his story for money" Givens
Amos "he had a bald spot" Euins
Helen "I had never seen none of them" Markham
Jack Tatum who pops out of the woodwork a decade and a half later?

As for Ruby Henderson describing Norman and Jarman, Norman and Jarman weren't even in the same window.  Also which one of them was wearing a white shirt?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #94 on: September 06, 2018, 05:37:14 PM »
The WC did not need to introduce other witnesses to dispel Rowland's fabrications. He did that all an his own with his own contradictory testimony.

Contradictory testimony didn't seem to phase them much when it came to people like Brennan, Markham, Marina, Day, etc.

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Six different times in his statement he is shown to be lying.

Really?  Lying?  Where?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2018, 11:50:42 PM »
My impression is that he might have seen Doughtery or Oswald. The man might have had something in his hands that Rowland mistook for a rifle.

Hmmm...then I wonder if the guy Brennan saw might have had something in his hands that Brennan mistook for a rifle.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2018, 11:50:42 PM »