Roger Craig

[Dan O'meara]

The point is that the screws on the butt plate reflect light as they do in the posted frame.

Do you actually believe that the reflection off the top of the butt plate is a reflection off the butt plate screws??

Yes I do Walt, do I need to tattoo this on your forehead.
I have provided plenty of evidence to demonstrate that this is the case and you have provided none against except your usual huffing and puffing.

The rifle was found in an upright position (I don't give a sh&t whether it was or it wasn't, it makes no difference to how I view this case).
Alyea filmed it.
Get over it.
Move on.

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes I do Walt, do I need to tattoo this on your forehead.
I have provided plenty of evidence to demonstrate that this is the case and you have provided none against except your usual huffing and puffing.

The rifle was found in an upright position (I don't give a sh&t whether it was or it wasn't, it makes no difference to how I view this case).
Alyea filmed it.
Get over it.
Move on.

The rifle was lying on it's side beneath the pallet of books ....This is a crucial bit of evidence and it's no trivial matter.   

Lee Oswald could not have placed that rifle in that hiding place AFTER the shooting.  The liar John Howlett used a light piece of 1 X  4 and simply slid that light piece of wood in between the boxes of books....But the carcano weighed 9 pounds and had a scope mounted off to the left side and a floppy sling mounted.... Nobody could have slid that bulky carcano into the crack between the boxes of books.

[Dan O'meara]

The rifle was lying on it's side beneath the pallet of books ....This is a crucial bit of evidence and it's no trivial matter.   

Lee Oswald could not have placed that rifle in that hiding place AFTER the shooting.  The liar John Howlett used a light piece of 1 X  4 and simply slid that light piece of wood in between the boxes of books....But the carcano weighed 9 pounds and had a scope mounted off to the left side and a floppy sling mounted.... Nobody could have slid that bulky carcano into the crack between the boxes of books.

I have no problem with the Mannlicher being tucked away in the boxes as the shooting was taking place.
In fact, it suits my view of the assassination.

[Walt Cakebread]

I have no problem with the Mannlicher being tucked away in the boxes as the shooting was taking place.
In fact, it suits my view of the assassination.

THE CARCANO WAS LYING ON THE FLOOR

Here's an excerpt from the newspaper article.....

Roger Craig----- " I was also present when the rifle was found.  Now this rifle--- There's no possible way  that a man could lay that rifle between those boxes. He had to drop it in there.  I'm six feet tall and I couldn't reach down and pick that rifle out without climbing on top of those boxes and getting down in em, by moving some of em, to get to the rifle."

There's no possible way  that a man could lay that rifle between those boxes.

He had to drop it in there.

IOW..... The rifle was lying ON THE FLOOR  and not jammed between boxes of books as it is seen in the official police in situ photos....   Which means the DPD staged the in situ photo to enable them to frame Lee Oswald by saying that he dashed by the site and hastily jammed the carcano between the boxes of books.

[Walt Cakebread]

I have no problem with the Mannlicher being tucked away in the boxes as the shooting was taking place.
In fact, it suits my view of the assassination.

I have no problem with the Mannlicher being tucked away in the boxes as the shooting was taking place.
In fact, it suits my view of the assassination.

Well, I'll be dipped....  It's all well and good that you have no problem with the carcano not being the murder weapon.....But unless you can show some solid evidence that the carcano was hidden among those boxes of books at the time that JFK was murdered .....  It's teeny tiny  Dan against the powerful giant FBI who have sworn that the carcano was the murder weapon.

Now how do you propose to show that the FBI were liars and framing Lee Oswald?   Do you have any photos or other solid evidence that the carcano couldn't have been the murder weapon??

[Dan O'meara]

THE CARCANO WAS LYING ON THE FLOOR

Here's an excerpt from the newspaper article.....

Roger Craig----- " I was also present when the rifle was found.  Now this rifle--- There's no possible way  that a man could lay that rifle between those boxes. He had to drop it in there.  I'm six feet tall and I couldn't reach down and pick that rifle out without climbing on top of those boxes and getting down in em, by moving some of em, to get to the rifle."

There's no possible way  that a man could lay that rifle between those boxes.

He had to drop it in there.

Yeah Walt, no problem.
Groovy.

IOW..... The rifle was lying ON THE FLOOR  and not jammed between boxes of books as it is seen in the official police in situ photos....   Which means the DPD staged the in situ photo to enable them to frame Lee Oswald by saying that he dashed by the site and hastily jammed the carcano between the boxes of books.

Bollocks.
The ranting of a mad man.

[Dan O'meara]

I have no problem with the Mannlicher being tucked away in the boxes as the shooting was taking place.
In fact, it suits my view of the assassination.

Well, I'll be dipped....  It's all well and good that you have no problem with the carcano not being the murder weapon.....But unless you can show some solid evidence that the carcano was hidden among those boxes of books at the time that JFK was murdered .....  It's teeny tiny  Dan against the powerful giant FBI who have sworn that the carcano was the murder weapon.

Now how do you propose to show that the FBI were liars and framing Lee Oswald?   Do you have any photos or other solid evidence that the carcano couldn't have been the murder weapon??

You're the Mannlicher expert, you do it.

As far as I'm concerned Oswald was a patsy and provided the Mannlicher not knowing it was going to be used to frame him. That's the point of this rifle - to frame Oswald.
Maybe the Mannlicher was the murder weapon but the shooter wasn't in any particular rush and had plenty of time to stow it in the boxes.
Maybe it was already in the boxes when the shooter used a proper rifle to do the job.
Either way, it doesn't really matter to the overall picture once it is accepted Oswald didn't do the shooting.

[Walt Cakebread]

You're the Mannlicher expert, you do it.

As far as I'm concerned Oswald was a patsy and provided the Mannlicher not knowing it was going to be used to frame him. That's the point of this rifle - to frame Oswald.
Maybe the Mannlicher was the murder weapon but the shooter wasn't in any particular rush and had plenty of time to stow it in the boxes.
Maybe it was already in the boxes when the shooter used a proper rifle to do the job.
Either way, it doesn't really matter to the overall picture once it is accepted Oswald didn't do the shooting.

You're the Mannlicher expert, you do it.

Thank you for acknowledging that I'm no neophyte about the mannlicher carcano.    And I've been trying for years to open researchers eyes to the FACT that the rifle was NOT hastily cast aside after the shooting.   I'm sure that the carcano was already in that hiding place beneath the pallet of books at the time the shots were fired. So obviously the carcano was not the murder weapon...Furthermore I don't believe any shots were fire from the sixth floor of the TSBD ....Haward Brennan swore that he saw a man STANDING behind a sixth floor window and the man was dressed like a security guard or deputy sheriff and he was aiming a rifle out of the window, but Brennan did not see the rifle fired. 

the shooter wasn't in any particular rush and had plenty of time to stow it in the boxes.

When the WC re-enacted what they had concluded was Lee Oswald's action's They had Secret Service agent John Howlet play the part of Lee Oswald, and Howlett spent about 5 seconds in stuffing a light piece of 1X 4 lumber in a crack between the boxes before hastily departing down the stairs.
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Howlett arrived at the second floor lunch room just 1 second ahead of officer Marrion Baker ...If the shooter ( Howlett) had actually hidden the 9 pound  carcano beneath that pallet of books AFTER the shooting, he would  never have reached the second floor lunchroom ahead of Baker and Truly.  Howlett would probably still have been on the stairs and would have passed Baker and Truly as he descended the stairs.