Roger Craig

[Walt Cakebread]

This Gif is from earlier in the Alyea film.
The first clip shows Fritz stepping into the area containing the rifle.
The second clip shows the butt plate end of the rifle in the upright position.
The third clip shows Fritz standing up after, presumably, inspecting the rifle in situ.

Notice that Detective Studebakers knee is NOT in front of the camera. ( OOPS!....I posted this comment below the wrong film clip....)

[Jerry Freeman]

  OOPS!....I posted this comment below the wrong film clip....

Yeah that clip you linked looks like a chain smoker clusterfuk! 

[Dan O'meara]

Notice that Detective Studebakers knee is NOT in front of the camera. ( OOPS!....I posted this comment below the wrong film clip....)

 
You posted recently that you didn't believe Fritz stepped into the area where the rifle was.
What do you believe now?

Also, can you see how the light reflects of the two screws in the butt plate of the rifle clearly indicating it was in an upright position when Fritz stepped in there?

[Walt Cakebread]

You posted recently that you didn't believe Fritz stepped into the area where the rifle was.
What do you believe now?

Also, can you see how the light reflects of the two screws in the butt plate of the rifle clearly indicating it was in an upright position when Fritz stepped in there?

Your eyes are better than mine, Dan... Can you freeze frame the frame?

[Dan O'meara]

Your eyes are better than mine, Dan... Can you freeze frame the frame?

You can't miss them.
You just need to look.

[Walt Cakebread]

You can't miss them.
You just need to look.

Sorry Dan,     The reason I couldn't see the "screws in the butt plate" is because I didn't recognize them as the screws in the butt plate of a carcano.    I'm very familiar with the Manlicher carcano and I know that the butt plate screws are a mere 2 1/4 inches apart ...Whereas the the space between the two bright spots in the film appear to be much greater than 2 1/4".

Also the screws in the butt plate of a carcano are NOT bright metal ..... The butt plate screws are the same color as the butt plate.  That color is a dark gun metal grey.....


If the dark object in the film was the butt of a carcano that butt would be approximately 10 inches across......The butt of a carcano is 4 inches across.....

I hope that you will receive this factual information and use it in reaching conclusions about the carcano ......
 

[Dan O'meara]

If the dark object in the film was the butt of a carcano that butt would be approximately 10 inches across......The butt of a carcano is 4 inches across.....

10 inches across??
Where are you getting that "factual information"  from?




The screws are very distinctive.

LATER EDIT - If, as you say, the butt plate is 4 inches long then the screws in the image above are more than 2 1/4 inches apart.
So much for your factual information!

[Dan O'meara]

Also the screws in the butt plate of a carcano are NOT bright metal ..... The butt plate screws are the same color as the butt plate.  That color is a dark gun metal grey.....

Below is a still from the Alyea film of Day picking up the Mannlicher.
I've marked where the screw is glinting as in the video I posted.



The Mannlicher was in an upright position when it was found.
I've posted more than enough evidence to illustrate this.
There's not much more anyone else can do to prove you are mistaken on this irrelevant point.