Roger Craig

[Walt Cakebread]

I recognize your sPersony imagination...

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,99.0.html

I didn't know that Alyea ever lifted the rifle, but you're right:  we have plenty of reasons not to trust anything that the Dallas police officers swore to.

Wouldn't that depend on which boxes were moved?

WF9: Tom Alyea filmed the rifle after the clip had slid out.


Please correct this entry.....  Tom Alyea DID NOT film the rifle AFTER the clip slid out.....

Tom Alyea was filming Day as Day dusted the rifle for finger prints behind the sunlit window at the NW corner of the sixth floor.   As detective Day worked with the rifle and turned it in various positions the clip which was loose in magazine was sliding around inside the magazine.  At one point the clip slid out far enough so that the light colored brass was visible. The clip was about 1/4 inch out of the magazine when Tom Alyea's camera recorded it in that position. 

[Tom Scully]

Whaley said he didn't wear a watch and guessed the time, and gave an approximation which could be 15 mins out. That's a fact isn't it?

He didn't only mention the blue items of clothing but mentioned a brown shirt, which he later identified, and a white T shirt underneath. Marina said LHO owned a blue jacket.

There is a lot of discussion about the jackets (CE162 & 163) I know and there are questions to be answered but don't think you can dismiss Whaley's testimony as it stands.

Was this age "discrepancy" unremarkable (SoP, of a guy seen below correcting the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS over a single year) or was fraud committed against Whaley's military draft board?

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/whaley1.htm
Testimony Of William Wayne Whaley
.....
The CHAIRMAN. The witness has been driving a taxicab in Dallas for 36 years.
Mr. WHALEY. Thirty-seven, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Thirty-seven. ....

Whaley demonstrating his precision about dates/age was at work again, here, as in the first
statement attributed to witness Whaley included his description of his passenger as 25 or 26 years of age.:

As proven in the page linked below, some time after 1940, William Wayne Whaley added (or cooperated in) three years to his age.:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/13730776/william-wayne-whaley

[Mike Orr]

There wasn't a clip until the Mauser changed into a Mannlicher Carcano. The BS they put Roger Craig through was totally uncalled for. He was railroaded !

[Walt Cakebread]

There wasn't a clip until the Mauser changed into a Mannlicher Carcano. The BS they put Roger Craig through was totally uncalled for. He was railroaded !

Mike, are you unaware that there are photos of Detective Day leaving the TSBD with the carcano at about 2:30 that afternoon, and the clip is clearly visible sticking out from he magazine / trigger duard of the carcano?

Roger Craig put himself through the wringer...... 

[Steve Logan]

Or "white spots of something", in his final more detailed affidavit. He did two drafts, so his "white streaks" changed to spots:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340663/?q=whaley (first)

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340356/?q=whaley

Needless to say BALL didn't feel like asking why the streak had turned into spots in his affidavit.

Mr. BALL. Is that the same shirt you saw here?
Mr. WHALEY. I think it is, sir. I am not positive but it had the same kind of silver streak in it.

Maybe we shoulda asked Daryl Click.

[Walt Cakebread]

Or "white spots of something", in his final more detailed affidavit. He did two drafts, so his "white streaks" changed to spots:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340663/?q=whaley (first)

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340356/?q=whaley

Needless to say BALL didn't feel like asking why the streak had turned into spots in his affidavit.

Mr. BALL. Is that the same shirt you saw here?
Mr. WHALEY. I think it is, sir. I am not positive but it had the same kind of silver streak in it.

Notice that Whaley opens his affidavit with the statement .... Yesterday 11 22 / 63 I was sitting at Lamar and Jackson at the Greyhound Bus Station at 12:30 pm waiting for a fare....(when) this boy walked up to to the cab.

This affidavit clearly states that the time was 12:30........Lee Oswald was in the Lunchroom at the TSBD at 12:30.....

[John Iacoletti]

WF9: Tom Alyea filmed the rifle after the clip had slid out.


Please correct this entry.....  Tom Alyea DID NOT film the rifle AFTER the clip slid out.....

Tom Alyea was filming Day as Day dusted the rifle for finger prints behind the sunlit window at the NW corner of the sixth floor.   As detective Day worked with the rifle and turned it in various positions the clip which was loose in magazine was sliding around inside the magazine.  At one point the clip slid out far enough so that the light colored brass was visible. The clip was about 1/4 inch out of the magazine when Tom Alyea's camera recorded it in that position.

Unfortunately, the forum archives were lost, but you did make this statement early on in the original Alyea discussion and then later changed your mind when somebody convinced you that the edges of the clip are visible in the Alyea film (they're not).
I'll note your retraction.

[Walt Cakebread]

Unfortunately, the forum archives were lost, but you did make this statement early on in the original Alyea discussion and then later changed your mind when somebody convinced you that the edges of the clip are visible in the Alyea film (they're not).
I'll note your retraction.

Huh??  What retraction??....I simply wanted a clarification and posted truthfully.

The way you've posted it it appears that the clip slipped completely out of the magazine....I've never ever proposed that the clip slipped completely out while Day was examining the rifle .....
I believe Day was totally ignorant to the fact that there was a clip in that magazine.....

Tom Alyea's film shows a small bit of the brass clip extending out of the magazine.