LNers: Your Views of the Missed Shot?

[Mitch Todd]

That was the story.  But Dr. Robert Livingston said he called Humes prior to the autopsy and told him about the throat wound.

Robert Livingston also said that he called Humes at Bethesda between 3:30 and 4:00 that afternoon. Humes' has said that he didn't go to Bethesda until after he was called by Adm. Kenney at about 5:15. The first public mention that JFK's body was headed to the Naval hospital was at 5PM. He also remembered hearing statements from Dr Crenshaw on the radio that afternoon.

David Lifton pinged a number of inconsistencies in Livingston's various statements if you want to hunt it all down.

[Mitch Todd]

So really what you mean is that it's physically impossible for a normal 6.5 bullet fired from a Mannlicher Carcano rifle from the SE corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD and directly hitting JFK's back to have created a "shallow back wound".

Not physically impossible, per se. It is possible someone could have been aiming a few feet over JFK's head when the bullet just happened to be a dud. Or maybe Oswald really was even worse of a shot than the CT's want us to believe, and the Carcano ammo is even worse than Ollie Stone would suppose. I don't think you'd hold out too much hope for a scenario like those. It would be foolish to do so. This holds true for any firearm that could reasonably considered a possible murder weapon, not just a Carcano. Gravity tries to kill us at the same rate, no matter who we are, after all.

The SW corner of the TSBD is still 150' from the car, so the gravitational drop for a slow bullet would still be on the order of feet below the aim point. And the Dal-Tex building is even farther from the car than the SE corner of the TSBD. Unless you want to go Bonar Mennenger one better and have Hickey shoot JFK twice, the drop problem exists for any plausible back wound shooter location

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Robert Livingston also said that he called Humes at Bethesda between 3:30 and 4:00 that afternoon. Humes' has said that he didn't go to Bethesda until after he was called by Adm. Kenney at about 5:15. The first public mention that JFK's body was headed to the Naval hospital was at 5PM. He also remembered hearing statements from Dr Crenshaw on the radio that afternoon.

David Lifton pinged a number of inconsistencies in Livingston's various statements if you want to hunt it all down.

How would Livingston know at the time he called Humes that Humes would be the lead doctor - or one of the doctors - in the autopsy? Or even that the autopsy would be performed at Bethesda? Had that been announced on the radio/TV at that time? And I seriously doubt that Humes' name would be mentioned in any story at that time either.

As you point out, Humes testified that he never got any call from Livingston, that at the time that Livingston allegedly made it that he, Humes, was with his family preparing for a social event, and that he knew nothing at that time about any autopsy that was to be performed on JFK much less that he was going to perform it. Incorrect on that last part. Depending on when Livingston called him Humes had been told of the autopsy.

In any case, my question was about whether any SBTs were discussed during the autopsy by Humes et al. Humes and Boswell were interviewed by JAMA and both said they didn't consider the neck wound as a bullet exit wound until the next day. If that's true then it's obvious they didn't discuss any SBTs since they didn't know where the bullet that entered the back went.

[John Iacoletti]

Robert Livingston also said that he called Humes at Bethesda between 3:30 and 4:00 that afternoon. Humes' has said that he didn't go to Bethesda until after he was called by Adm. Kenney at about 5:15. The first public mention that JFK's body was headed to the Naval hospital was at 5PM. He also remembered hearing statements from Dr Crenshaw on the radio that afternoon.

David Lifton pinged a number of inconsistencies in Livingston's various statements if you want to hunt it all down.

As if there aren't inconsistencies in Humes' various statements...

[John Iacoletti]

Not physically impossible, per se.

 

[Mitch Todd]

As if there aren't inconsistencies in Humes' various statements...

At least we've always been sure of Humes' involvement. Livingston is another one of those guys who suddenly pop out of nowhere, with too-good-to-be-true stories. And his was always something of a juggling act.

[Mitch Todd]

That still leaves the part about a short-shot in this case being ridiculously hard to believe, given the limits created by the situation.

[John Iacoletti]

At least we've always been sure of Humes' involvement. Livingston is another one of those guys who suddenly pop out of nowhere, with too-good-to-be-true stories.

You mean like Brennan, and Tatum, and Carl Day?