Oswald's Light-Colored Jacket

[Martin Weidmann]

Read the following very slowly, Frazier on multiple occasions repeats that he "didn't pay much attention to the bag" and at that time Frazier had no reason to pay attention to the bag but for some reason you people like Tom, Larry and yourself all believe that witnesses associated with this case should for some unknown reason have the ability for Total Recall even people whose job is basically just to be a human conveyor belt.


Mr. BALL - All right.
When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.



Mr. BALL - Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.


Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.



Mr. BALL - You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?
Mr. FRAZIER - I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.


Mr. BALL - But are you sure that his hand was at the end of the package or at the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Like I said, I remember I didn't look at the package very much, paying much attention, but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.


Mr. BALL - Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--

You sound like a broken record, playing the same old boring song over and over again.

Read this very slowly; Earlene Roberts was paying more attention to getting the TV to work. In order to do so she had to have her back turned to where Oswald was walking from his room to the front door!

How amazing, Roberts saw Oswald zipping up a jacket and witnesses said that the jacket that Oswald was wearing was a zipper type and the jacket found in the car park was a zipper type and when arrested Oswald wasn't wearing his zipper jacket, howzat!

JohnM

Great... now prove that;

1. Oswald did in fact leave the roominghouse wearing a jacket and Roberts wasn't wrong (like for instance Baker and Whaley were).

2. the white jacket found in the car park is the same as the gray jacket CE 162

3. the gray jacket CE 162 did indeed belong to Oswald

4. the  Texas Theater was ever searched for a jacket 

[John Mytton]

In order to do so she had to have her back turned to where Oswald was walking from his room to the front door!

Sorry you don't get to write the rules, the eyewitnesses who testified to seeing Oswald wearing a zipper jacket 100% corroborate Earlene Roberts.



JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Personally I give everyone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise and in this case we know that Oswald put on a zipper jacket because a plethora of eyewitnesses testified that Oswald was wearing a zipper jacket.
But with the innocent beep beep it may very well have happened, do you have any evidence to the contrary?

JohnM

Personally I give everyone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise

So now you are a comedian too?

in this case we know that Oswald put on a zipper jacket because a plethora of eyewitnesses testified that Oswald was wearing a zipper jacket.

A logical fallacy called circular reasoning.

The opposite of this is that those people who believed they saw Oswald wearing a jacket must have been mistaken if Oswald never left the roominghouse wearing a jacket.

Or is that too complicated for you?

[Martin Weidmann]

Sorry you don't get to write the rules, the eyewitnesses who testified to seeing Oswald wearing a zipper jacket 100% corroborate Earlene Roberts.

JohnM

Does this mean that you are not familiar with the lay out of the living room at the rooming house?

Or are you ignorantly claiming that when you are concentrating on getting a TV to work you can do so without having your back turned to the other side of the room?

And no... the other eyewitnesses do not corroborate Roberts at all...

You will probably not get this, but if Roberts was wrong (and I believe she was, as the gray jacket was in Irving) and Oswald left the roominghouse without a jacket your precious eyewitnesses must, by implication, be wrong.

Why don't you provide the proof I asked for instead of ignoring the request?

[Bill Brown]

You sound like a broken record, playing the same old boring song over and over again.

Read this very slowly; Earlene Roberts was paying more attention to getting the TV to work. In order to do so she had to have her back turned to where Oswald was walking from his room to the front door!

Great... now prove that;

1. Oswald did in fact leave the roominghouse wearing a jacket and Roberts wasn't wrong (like for instance Baker and Whaley were).

2. the white jacket found in the car park is the same as the gray jacket CE 162

3. the gray jacket CE 162 did indeed belong to Oswald

4. the  Texas Theater was ever searched for a jacket

Great... now prove that;

4. the  Texas Theater was ever searched for a jacket

No need.

Oswald was not wearing a jacket when seen by Brewer before he (Oswald) ever entered the theater.

[Bill Brown]

Mrs. ROBERTS: He wasn't running, but he was walking pretty fast---he was all but running.
Mr. BALL: Then, what happened after that?
Mrs. ROBERTS: He went to his room and he was in his shirt sleeves but I couldn't tell you whether it was a long-sleeved shirt or what color it was or nothing, and he got a jacket and put it on---it was kind of a zipper jacket.


Mr. BALL: It was a zippered jacket, was it?
Mrs. ROBERTS: Yes; it was a zipper jacket. How come me to remember it, he was zipping it up as he went out the door.
Mr. BALL: He was zipping it up as he went out the door?
Mrs. ROBERTS: Yes.

[Martin Weidmann]

Amazing what people with bad eye sight can see in a few seconds when they are concentrating on getting the TV to work and thus have their back turned to the living room area.

Whaley said the guy that was in his taxi was wearing two jackets....

Roberts said Oswald was not wearing a jacket when he entered the roominghouse....

Oh those magical technicolor jackets......

[Larry Baldwin]

Roberts mentioned the fact that Oswald was wearing a jacket as he went out the door to a radio reporter on the day of the assassination.

Despite the fact that she was bombarded by law enforcement personnel and media during the weekend of the assassination, Roberts never mentioned the police car horn honking incident until a week later, after the accused assassin was himself gunned down, which sparked whispers of a possible plot.

It is interesting how you create a narrative to rationalize her reliability.  God forbid a doubter use this tactic.  Always good for a laugh, Bill.