Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar

[Richard Smith]

Amber Heard was Johnny Depp's wife.

And the jury didn't give a flying f×ck.

 

This is perhaps the dumbest analogy in the history of the JFK assassination forum. Or perhaps even the entire Internet.  Heard was being sued by Depp.  They were long divorced.  It was an adversarial lawsuit for millions of dollars between two people who detested each other.  Can you see any differences?  LOL.  Marina directed the police to the blanket when asked about the rifle just hours after the assassination while still believing her husband innocent of any wrong doing. 

[Martin Weidmann]

This is perhaps the dumbest analogy in the history of the JFK assassination forum. Or perhaps even the entire Internet.  Heard was being sued by Depp.  They were long divorced.  It was an adversarial lawsuit for millions of dollars between two people who detested each other.  Can you see any differences?  LOL.  Marina directed the police to the blanket when asked about the rifle just hours after the assassination while still believing her husband innocent of any wrong doing.

while still believing her husband innocent of any wrong doing.

BS. What made her check if the rifle was still there if she believed her husband innocent of any wrong doing?

[Richard Smith]

Once again you are jumping to conclusions not supported by the evidence.

The best person in the entire world other than LHO to actually know the contents of the blanket.  Riddle us this contrarian.  Why did Marina direct the police to that blanket just hours after the crime when they asked her if her husband owned a rifle?

Marina herself answered that. She knew Oswald had a rifle in Russia and she believed this was that rifle.

Why did she repeatedly confirm to the WC (under oath) that her husband owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in Paine's garage?

I don't know what motivates people to do something or not. What motivates your hero, Trump, to keep telling the big lie?

What I do know is that it is highly likely Marina must have been in self preservation mode. Prior to her testimony, she was held in "protective custody", she was interviewed by law enforcement officers a great many times, she admitted to lying to them. When they flew in an immigration officer from New York who told her she could stay in the country, if she cooperated, she must likely have seen a way out. Her husband was dead and already convicted in the media and by the time of her testimony she probably believed he actually did it. She has, of course, changed her mind since then.

Was Marina in "self preservation" mode when the police first arrived just hours after the assassination when she was asked about the rifle and directed them to the blanket?  She was not aware of any wrong doing by her husband at that point and could not yet have been subject to any from of coercion.  That is laughable and embarrassing to suggest to explain her confirmation of the rifle.  And now your story is that Marina's testimony is that she believed the rifle in the blanket was the same one from Russia?  Previously you seemed to be suggesting her testimony was ambiguous on the issue of whether she saw any rifle or merely some object made of wood.   But now you are agreeing that she saw a rifle?  I've never argued that Marina's testimony alone confirms that it was THE rifle but merely that there is no doubt whatsoever that her testimony confirms that Oswald owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in the Paine's garage.  That is important when combined with the fact that third party documents link Oswald to a rifle with a specific serial number.  The same rifle found in the TSBD.   Marina tells us 1) Oswald possessed a rifle in the relevant timeframe; 2) he kept it in the Paine's garage; and 3) it was gone and can't be accounted for in other way after 11.22 except as the rifle found in the TSBD.  She even photographed Oswald holding the rifle and his prints were found on it.  It was left at his place of work and he lied about owning any rifle and never explained how it came to be there.  A slam dunk of guilt unless numerous people are lying including his own wife, multiple law enforcement agencies, and Klein's.  Much of this evidence predated the assassination by months. 

[Richard Smith]

while still believing her husband innocent of any wrong doing.

BS. What made her check if the rifle was still there if she believed her husband innocent of any wrong doing?

She would have cause for concern because she knew Oswald's history with Walker and that he worked in the building from which the shots were fired.  But again, whether she thought he was the possible assassin or not isn't the point  Why check the blanket at all unless she knew that is where he kept the rifle?  You are just confirming that point over and over by noting her actions at that early stage before even approached by the police or authorities. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Was Marina in "self preservation" mode when the police first arrived just hours after the assassination when she was asked about the rifle and directed them to the blanket?  She was not aware of any wrong doing by her husband at that point and could not yet have been subject to any from of coercion.  That is laughable and embarrassing to suggest to explain her confirmation of the rifle.  And now your story is that Marina's testimony is that she believed the rifle in the blanket was the same one from Russia?  Previously you seemed to be suggesting her testimony was ambiguous on the issue of whether she saw any rifle or merely some object made of wood.   But now you are agreeing that she saw a rifle?  I've never argued that Marina's testimony alone confirms that it was THE rifle but merely that there is no doubt whatsoever that her testimony confirms that Oswald owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in the Paine's garage.  That is important when combined with the fact that third party documents link Oswald to a rifle with a specific serial number.  The same rifle found in the TSBD.   Marina tells us 1) Oswald possessed a rifle in the relevant timeframe; 2) he kept it in the Paine's garage; and 3) it was gone and can't be accounted for in other way after 11.22 except as the rifle found in the TSBD.  She even photographed Oswald holding the rifle and his prints were found on it.  It was left at his place of work and he lied about owning any rifle and never explained how it came to be there.  A slam dunk of guilt unless numerous people are lying including his own wife, multiple law enforcement agencies, and Klein's.  Much of this evidence predated the assassination by months.

Was Marina in "self preservation" mode when the police first arrived just hours after the assassination when she was asked about the rifle and directed them to the blanket?  She was not aware of any wrong doing by her husband at that point and could not yet have been subject to any from of coercion.

And yet, she went to check if the rifle was still there. Go figure.

When the police arrived, she was under the impression that the rifle was still in the blanket. Except it wasn't.
What do you think went through her head when she learned there was no rifle in the blanket?

That is laughable and embarrassing to suggest to explain her confirmation of the rifle.

What confirmation of the rifle?

And now your story is that Marina's testimony is that she believed the rifle in the blanket was the same one from Russia?

No, my story is that when it comes to Marina it's near impossible to believe anything she said. Which is why she is such an unreliable witness. What you want to do is just cherry pick the parts of her testimony you can use and disregard the rest.

Previously you seemed to be suggesting her testimony was ambiguous on the issue of whether she saw any rifle or merely some object made of wood.   But now you are agreeing that she saw a rifle?

No, stop putting words in my mouth. She may or may not have seen a rifle. You are the one who constantly insists that she did see a rifle. I am saying that Rankin asked her a leading question.

I've never argued that Marina's testimony alone confirms that it was THE rifle but merely that there is no doubt whatsoever that her testimony confirms that Oswald owned a rifle and kept it in the blanket in the Paine's garage.

Nope.. her testimony does not confirm that Oswald kept a rifle in the blanket in Ruth Paine's garage. It just confirms that Marina thought he did. But none of that matters much when you can not prove that it was the MC rifle CE2799 and you've just admitted that Marina does not confirm it was.

That is important when combined with the fact that third party documents link Oswald to a rifle with a specific serial number.  The same rifle found in the TSBD.

Flawed conjecture based on a misrepresentation of the evidence.

Marina tells us 1) Oswald possessed a rifle in the relevant timeframe; 2) he kept it in the Paine's garage; and 3) it was gone and can't be accounted for in other way after 11.22 except as the rifle found in the TSBD.  She even photographed Oswald holding the rifle and his prints were found on it.  It was left at his place of work and he lied about owning any rifle and never explained how it came to be there.  A slam dunk of guilt unless numerous people are lying including his own wife, multiple law enforcement agencies, and Klein's.

So misleading and so much misrepresentation of the facts to unpack here that I am not going to waste my time on it again. Been there done that....

[Martin Weidmann]

She would have cause for concern because she knew Oswald's history with Walker and that he worked in the building from which the shots were fired.  But again, whether she thought he was the possible assassin or not isn't the point  Why check the blanket at all unless she knew that is where he kept the rifle?  You are just confirming that point over and over by noting her actions at that early stage before even approached by the police or authorities.

whether she thought he was the possible assassin or not isn't the point

Of course it is the point!

First you claim she was not (yet) aware of any wrong doing by her husband and now you've got here having cause of concern.

Which one is it?

Why check the blanket at all unless she knew that is where he kept the rifle?

Wrong again. She may have thought Oswald kept a rifle in that blanket, but she most certainly didn't know.

She never discussed the rifle with Oswald, after she looked in the blanket in late September, she never told him to take it out of the garage and said nothing to Ruth Paine. All of it is indicative of the possibility that she believed the rifle could belong to somebody else (like for instance Michael Paine) and not Oswald.

[John Iacoletti]

“Richard” vomits his list of BS claims again. How original.

[Jerry Freeman]

She would have cause for concern because she knew Oswald's history with Walker and that he worked in the building from which the shots were fired. 

You just made that up. Most unlikely she had the foggiest clue where he worked.