Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242

[Chris Bristow]

Not only do we need a accurate LOS....  We need to locate the Lincoln as accurately as possible.   

I believe Altgen's snapped the photo from a site that is different from the one that LBJ's Blue Ribbon Cover Up Committee presented.

To me we have to get the accurate line of sight through the pillar and the lamppost to the TSBD, that will allow us to find the exact location of the limo. Where do you think Altgens was and how do you account for the lines of sight that put him at the WC location?
 

[Royell Storing]

Cutler plat showing Altgens location just across from the steps.

I agree with Cutler and others who have him in this location.

    Yeah. Why would anyone believe the actual WC Testimony of Altgens and his corroborating his physical position with the setting on his camera vs a pirate map with the equivalent of an "X marks the spot"? Hilarious, yet once again we see exactly why this case remains unsolved after 54+ years. Opinions have been cavalierly accepted/rubber stamped and then endlessly repeated until they are accepted as Fact. This has been the M.O. of both law enforcement as well as many members of  the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community.

[Chris Davidson]

Chris

That (3) position marked on the WC photo is too far East, if Altgens were in the centre of the grassy area that close to Elm / Houston corner we would see him in Bronson. ( we don't )

Robin,
I'm not the one that said Altgens is where #3 is on CE354.
The WC knew when they asked Altgens to locate his position where he actually was.
Mr. LIEBELER - You have indicated a spot along the side of Elm Street which I have marked with a No. 3; is that correct?
Mr. ALTGENS - Yes, sir.
Liebeler should have corrected Altgens testimony then and there.
It is obvious to most, that Altgens didn't place himself anywhere near where he appears on the extant Z film.

[Walt Cakebread]

You don't even need the windows
 the edge of the white column lines up with the the Limo hood ornament.

You don't even need the windows the edge of the white column lines up with the the Limo hood ornament.

The hood ornament is NOT a stationary point of reference.....it is a movable object.  The TSBD and the concrete pylon are fixed points of reference. Since we know that the center of the third set of windows on the second floor of the TSBD aligns with the southwest corner of the concrete pylon, then we can scribe a line from the center of the window through the corner of the pylon and on to the triple underpass. The hood ornament of the lincoln was on that line when Altgens snapped the photo... and obviously Altgens camera was also on that line.   
   

[Duncan MacRae]

I'm not sure what rule I've broken....   What do you mean ..."space between line rules?"

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[Walt Cakebread]

You don't even need the windows the edge of the white column lines up with the the Limo hood ornament.

The hood ornament is NOT a stationary point of reference.....it is a movable object.  The TSBD and the concrete pylon are fixed points of reference. Since we know that the center of the third set of windows on the second floor of the TSBD aligns with the southwest corner of the concrete pylon, then we can scribe a line from the center of the window through the corner of the pylon and on to the triple underpass. The hood ornament of the lincoln was on that line when Altgens snapped the photo... and obviously Altgens camera was also on that line.   
   

The lamppost can also be used to verify the LOS over the top of the concrete pylon.    The anchor point for the line that passes through the street light  is right edge (east)of the fourth window ......

[Royell Storing]

     Let's get Real here and just Look at the photo. How on Earth would this Altgens photo capture the Large, LOW Headlight in the center of Chaney's motorcycle if he were positioned at the (R) rear of the JFK Limo, or alongside the Queen Mary?  The further Back you move Chaney, the More the view of his motorcycle is  obstructed by the JFK Limo, the people inside it, the Queen Mary, and the SS Agents Standing on its' (R) Running Board. The visibility of that Large, LOW, Headlight  completely destroys Chaney being physically positioned elsewhere. Slam Dunk.  This also explains why this photo is usually Cropped on the Chaney Headlight side of the Photo.

[Nicholas Turner]

     Let's get Real here and just Look at the photo. How on Earth would this Altgens photo capture the Large, LOW Headlight in the center of Chaney's motorcycle if he were positioned at the (R) rear of the JFK Limo, or alongside the Queen Mary?  The further Back you move Chaney, the More the view of his motorcycle is  obstructed by the JFK Limo, the people inside it, the Queen Mary, and the SS Agents Standing on its' (R) Running Board. The visibility of that Large, LOW, Headlight  completely destroys Chaney being physically positioned elsewhere. Slam Dunk.  This also explains why this photo is usually Cropped on the Chaney Headlight side of the Photo.

Not if it moves back and to the left, along the LOS lines shown. That's what LOS means isn't it?