The confusing recollection of Jack Dougherty

[Walt Cakebread]

Tom?s well sourced documentation is a refreshing change from the usual speculation, opinion, and posturing that mostly goes on here.

So you like Tom's posts.... What has Scully done to advance your knowledge?   Are you any closer to uncovering the truth because of Scully's scholarly  satire.

"You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is non existent.".....

[Colin Crow]

Jack claimed to have gone back to work just before the shots. He said after a brief stop on the 6th floor he ventured down to the 5th to get some stock when he heard a loud noise. Is it possible that he originally went to the 5th to continue working and after a short period heard the loud noise and took the elevator to the 6th to investigate?

[Walt Cakebread]

Jack claimed to have gone back to work just before the shots. He said after a brief stop on the 6th floor he ventured down to the 5th to get some stock when he heard a loud noise. Is it possible that he originally went to the 5th to continue working and after a short period heard the loud noise and took the elevator to the 6th to investigate?

Colin....Surely you're aware that Dougherty's testimony about his whereabouts between 12:00 and 1:00 is useless.   He was so scared that he couldn't respond to simple questions .....  Like if he served outside of the US during his enlistment in the Army.     You should simply ignore his nonsense....  and ask yourself WHY was Jack Dougherty so terrified??   If anybody had reason to be petrified into babbling nonsense it would have been Lee Oswald. ( and particularly so if he had been guilty. 

So Lee answers accusing questions put to him in a calm and rational manner....But Dougherty can't even answer innocuous questions in a rational manner.   

[Zeon Mason]

If West elevator is used by a shooter or shooters on the 6th floor it had to have been boarded by 10 sec post shots in order to have any probable chance of reaching 1st floor by 45 sec posts shots, just before Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles reach the 1st floor by 60 sec post shots. This presumes an elevator avg. speed of 1 floor per 7 secs. So 35 seconds from 6th floor to 1st floor.

The West elevator  would have to immediately be returned back up to 5th floor and be there by approx 75 second post shots, to be seen there by Truly looking up the elevator shaft.

From 1st to 5th floor requring about 28 seconds, is possible therefore, for the West elevator to be back on the 5th floor at 73 sec post shots. JUST IN TIME!

But can the West elevator be "sent' back up by someone just having used it, by pushing a button, and it returns itself, or does this elevator require someone be IN the elevator to operate it?

[Tom Scully]

If West elevator is used by a shooter or shooters on the 6th floor it had to have been boarded by 10 sec post shots in order to have any probable chance of reaching 1st floor by 45 sec posts shots, just before Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles reach the 1st floor by 60 sec post shots. This presumes an elevator avg. speed of 1 floor per 7 secs. So 35 seconds from 6th floor to 1st floor.

The West elevator  would have to immediately be returned back up to 5th floor and be there by approx 75 second post shots, to be seen there by Truly looking up the elevator shaft.

From 1st to 5th floor requring about 28 seconds, is possible therefore, for the West elevator to be back on the 5th floor at 73 sec post shots. JUST IN TIME!

But can the West elevator be "sent' back up by someone just having used it, by pushing a button, and it returns itself, or does this elevator require someone be IN the elevator to operate it?

Jack's boss at Goodwill Ind., in 1952 might have been able to answer some of your questions.

https://www.dallasnews.com/obituaries/obituaries/2015/09/11/bob-heath-who-built-on-legacy-of-dallas-medical-society-dies-at-83
Bob Heath, who built on legacy of Dallas Medical Society, dies at 83
Sept., 2015

...Heath was born in Dallas, where he graduated from Sunset High School in 1949. His father, Millard Heath, an ordained Methodist minister, was a leader in juvenile services and a founder of Goodwill Industries. He became executive director of the medical society in 1946.

Bob Heath attended Arlington State College, now the University of Texas at Arlington. In 1951, he married his childhood sweetheart, Vanita Dickenson.

Heath worked for two companies in Dallas after he served in the Naval Reserves during the Korean War.

He was with Goodwill Industries in Dallas in 1960, when the agency named him executive director of its operation in Jacksonville, Fla. He returned to Dallas in 1966 as director of rehabilitation and personnel of Goodwill Industries here.
...

Jack's boss Roy Truly at TSBD openly testified that Jack was intelligent. Better yet, it seems likely it is intentional
we are in the dark today as to Jack's true potential and abilities
and are unaware whether Jack was personally acquainted with his former boss, Millard J. Heath.

......
Two gentlemen of the same surname were Dallas Goodwill executices, Jasper and Millard Heath, two years after
the 1937 establishment of Goodwill Ind. in Dallas. The 1930 US census describes Millard J Heath as self employed Elevator Mechanic,
with wife Mary and son, Billy. In 1940, Millard's census entry includes wife Mary and son, Billy and Millard's position with Goodwill:
1940 US census image link.:
http://jfkdebate.com/images/RubyCrafardGoodwllMillarJheathGoodwill1940Census.jpg


At the time of Millard J Heath's death in 1978, his death certificate describes Heath as Executive Director of the Dallas Medical Soc.:

[Colin Crow]

Colin....Surely you're aware that Dougherty's testimony about his whereabouts between 12:00 and 1:00 is useless.   He was so scared that he couldn't respond to simple questions .....  Like if he served outside of the US during his enlistment in the Army.     You should simply ignore his nonsense....  and ask yourself WHY was Jack Dougherty so terrified??   If anybody had reason to be petrified into babbling nonsense it would have been Lee Oswald. ( and particularly so if he had been guilty. 

So Lee answers accusing questions put to him in a calm and rational manner....But Dougherty can't even answer innocuous questions in a rational manner.   

Was not the Eisenberg memo prior to his appearance before the WC? His WC testimony is not as bad as it is made out to be. Some of his answers appear to be rehearsed but to the wrong question. Some appear to be an answer to a misheard one. One wonders if some of his mental issues might actually be due to hearing loss. (eg. only heard one shot, didn't hear Truly call for the elevator). My recollection of his WC testimony is that Ball made a complete hash of it. At times it was hard to understand either of them. At any rate he was an important witness, he afforded the lone gunman theory an innocuous movement of the west elevator after its use by Jarman and Norman. They had left it on the 5th floor but closed the gates, allowing it to be called from any floor. After the shots it was claimed to be stuck on an upper floor with gates open. This has to be because Dougherty went back to work for the WC version. He supposedly left the gates open, preventing Truly from calling it. By the time Truly and Baker reached the fifth floor it had gone. This was either via Dougherty or by unknown persons.

The question is, if Dougherty went back to work just before 12.30......where was he working just before lunch? Was it the 5th floor or the 6th? I do not think he was part of the elevator race and so it seems doubtful he was working on the 6th at that time. So, why would he go back to work on the 6th for a few moments then descend to the 5th? Both times leaving the only elevator available "locked". All he had to do was close the gates on the west elevator and work on the 5th, then take the east elevator down manually when he needed. 

Walt, do not play the LN game and dismiss the guy......that's what they want. Looks like a note from dad and a word from the boss was sufficient......really?

[Alan Ford]

Was not the Eisenberg memo prior to his appearance before the WC? His WC testimony is not as bad as it is made out to be. Some of his answers appear to be rehearsed but to the wrong question. Some appear to be an answer to a misheard one. One wonders if some of his mental issues might actually be due to hearing loss.

This! 

[Jerry Freeman]

And Jerry, you could have chosen to offer a  gracious thank you for finding and presenting what you were unable to locate

You would probably get one if it had anything to do with the assassination.