Circumstantial Evidence Khrushchev And/Or Castro Killed JFK

[Thomas Graves]

And the conspirators wanted you to think that Cuba/USSR was behind it.

Not me, or you (or any other common person), but the CIA and the FBI and LBJ.

I guess you've never heard of John Newman's theory that evil, evil, evil James Jesus Angleton arranged for a WW III Virus to be planted in Oswald's CIA file so that, "in order to save 40 million American lives," the rest of the CIA and the FBI and LBJ would be forced to insist seven weeks later that Oswald had done it all by himself (which, ironically, may have been the case -- after a little training/programming by the KGB in the USSR, or maybe even at Oswald's own initiative to, you know, save mankind by speeding up the Marxist-Leninist dialectics a bit).

So it's like that, but the KGB and the DGI arranged it, not Angleton, imho.

-- MWT 

[Thomas Graves]

You do realize, do you not, that you are now asking and answering your own questions?

They were rhetorical questions, Mike.

Regardless, do you disagree with the answers?

If so, why?

-- MWT 

[Joe Mannix]

Not me, or you (or any other common person), but the CIA and the FBI and LBJ.

I guess you've never heard of John Newman's theory that evil, evil, evil James Jesus Angleton arranged for a WW III Virus to be planted in Oswald's CIA file so that, "in order to save 40 million American lives," the rest of the CIA and the FBI and LBJ would be forced to insist seven weeks later that Oswald had done it all by himself (which, ironically, may have been the case -- after a little training/programming by the KGB in the USSR, or maybe even at Oswald's own initiative, you know, to save mankind by speeding up the Marxist-Leninist dialectics a bit).

So it's like that, but the KGB and the DGI arranged it, not Angleton, imho.

-- MWT 

Disagree one-million percent 

[Thomas Graves]

You do realize, do you not, that you are now asking and answering your own questions?

So what, Plato?

I'm secretly hoping you can help me "see the light," and metamorphose from my present cockroach state back into the oh-so socially acceptable form of a Tinfoil Hat-Wearing "The-Evil-Evil--Evil-CIA-Did-It!" Conspiracy Theorist.

Problem is, your theory doesn't take into account Duran's and Azcue's short, blond, very thin-faced Oswald, or the fact that CIA's Ivan Obyedkov was a KGB triple-agent, or that run-of-the-mill KGB officer Valiery Kostikov was made uber-radioactive by Hoover's beloved-but-triple-agent "Fedora" and a mysterious former (East?) German FBI double-agent by the name of Guenter Heinz Schulz, or that the above-referenced Blond Oswald claimed, in 1993, to have met one-on-one with an emotional, revolver-brandishing Lee Harvey Oswald at the Soviet Embassy on that Sunday in Mexico City, or ...

... or that the CIA might have been using Oswald in the USSR and/or in Mexico City in a highly compartmentalized mole hunt that ended up being piggybacked/compromized by the KGB or its sister-in-arms service, the DGI.

-- MWT 

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[Jon Banks]

The Castro theory seems plausible because attempts to assassinate him continued through JFK’s Presidency.

I don’t see any reason to think the Soviets might’ve been involved.

Castro had spies in Mexico City and in the US within the Cuban Exile community. It’s plausible that his spies could’ve established a connection with with Oswald.

[Michael Walton]

The Russians nor Cubans had zero to do with the murder. Tom Graves admittedly is paranoid about Russia - now and 56 years ago. He bases his whole theory on some From Russia with Love nonsense down in MC.

A guy named Mike Clark recently posted what I thought was a very good rebuttal to Tom's paranoid Russkies Did It theory. In addition, all of the things below have to fall into place for the Russkies to pull it off:

[The Russkies] steer Oswald into the building in October for a job so he can then take the fall for the murder.

[The Russkies] need to have control of Oswald's files from the time he defects until he returns.

[The Russkies] need to know about the marked files in LHO's files saying that he's a certain height and weight. This is so, three years later, within 15 minutes of the shooting, those same dimensions are announced on the radio.

[The Russkies] need to get Tippit into place so he can be gunned down.

[The Russkies] need to control Jack Ruby so he'll gun Oswald down on Sunday.

Read State Secret by Bill Simpich. It goes into great detail about all of this. Things happen for a reason. The Cubans nor Russians had no real motive to get rid of Kennedy. Others, who he pissed off and upset the so-called world order apple cart, did.

Watch this movie by Oliver Stone, who Tom Graves admittedly despises. This is one of the more honest portrayals of Kennedy and his presidency. Then ask yourself - how could the Russkies/Castro have pulled it off? The answer is simple - they didn't.

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[Thomas Graves]

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Walton,

Unfortunately, you've been "brainwashed" (like so many other well-meaning Americans) into believing that neither the KGB nor the DGI had anything to do with the JFK assassination, but that the evil, evil, evil CIA "dood da deed".

-- MWT   

PS  Have you read Tennent H. Bagley's book Spy Wars or his 35-page PDF Ghosts of the Spy Wars, yet, or do they cause you so much cognitive-dissonance pain that you've gotta set 'em down?

Too boring?

Too many Russian names?

Okay, then, how about chapter 10 of Mark Riebling's fine 1994 book Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA?  Think you can handle that?

https://archive.org/details/WedgeFromPearlHarborTo911HowTheSecretWarBetweenTheFBIAndCIAHasEndangeredNationalSecurity/page/n2

[Michael Walton]

Instead of reverting back to your From Russia with Love book, why don't you at least try to explain each thing I've listed? How could each of those things theoretically have taken place in the grand scheme of things?