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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2018, 08:21:18 AM »
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There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that proves without any doubt that Oswald was carrying a Revolver.

The eyewitnesses who positively identified Oswald and confirmed he was carrying a gun

Mr. BALL. Which way?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Towards Jefferson, right across that way.
Mr. DULLES. Did he have the pistol in his hand at this time?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had the gun when I saw him.

Mr. BELIN - All right. Now, you said you saw the man with the gun throw the shells?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Well, did you see the man empty his gun?
Mr. BENAVIDES - That is what he was doing. He took one out and threw it

Mr. BALL. And what did you see the man doing?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, first off she went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to him, and pointing at him, and he was, what I thought, was emptying the gun.
Mr. BALL. He had a gun in his hand?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

Mr. BALL. And how was he holding the gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. We used to say in the Marine Corps in a raised pistol position.

Mr. BALL. What did you see him doing?
Mr. GUINYARD. He came through there running and knocking empty shells out of his pistol and he had it up just like this with his hand.
Mr. BALL. With which hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. With his right hand; just kicking them out.
Mr. BALL. He had it up?

Mr. B.M. PATTERSON, 4635 Hartford Street, Dallas, Texas, currently employed by Wyatt's Cafeteria, 2647 South Lancaster, Dallas, Texas, advised he was present at the used car lot of JOHNNY REYNOLDS' on the afternoon of November 22, 1963.

PATTERSON advised that at approximately 1:30 PM, he was standing on JONNY REYNOLDS' used car lot together with L.J. LEWIS and HAROLD RUSSELL when they heard shots coming from the vicinity of 10th and Patton Avenue, Dallas, Texas. A minute or so later they observed a white male approximately 30 years of age, running south on Patton Avenue, carrying what appeared to be a revolver in his hand and was obviously trying to reload same while running.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see this man's face that had the gun in his hand?
Mr.REYNOLDS. Very good.

HAROLD RUSSELL, employee, Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot, 500 Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, he was standing on the lot of Reynolds Used Cars together with L.J. LEWIS and PAT PATTERSON, at which time they heard shots come from the vicinity of Patton and Tenth Street, and a few seconds later they observed a young white man running south on Patton Avenue carrying a pistol or revolver which the individual was attempting to either reload or place in his belt line.

Mr. BELIN. Did he have anything in his hand?
Mr. SCOGGINS. He had a pistol in his left hand.

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Next. this man with a gun in his hand ran toward the back of the squad car, but instead of running away he stepped into the street and shot the police officer who was lying in the street.


The Police Officers who were confronted with the murdering Oswald.

Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see then?
Mr. WALKER. He had ahold of the handle of it.
Mr. BELIN. Handle of what?
Mr. WALKER. The revolver.
Mr. BELIN. Was there a revolver there?
Mr. WALKER. Yes; there was.

Mr. HUTSON. McDonald was at this time simultaneously trying to hold this person's right hand. Somehow this person moved his right hand to his waist, and I saw a revolver come out, and McDonald was holding on to it with his right hand, and this gun was waving up toward the back of the seat like this.


Oswald even admitted carrying his revolver.

Mr. BELIN. Do you recall any other conversation that you had with him, or not?
Mr. WALKER. No; he was just denying it, and he was saying that all he did was carry a gun, and the reason he fought back in the theatre is, he knew he wasn't supposed to be carrying a gun, and he had never been to jail.

Mr. BELIN. During the drive down from the Texas Theatre, to the police station, do you remember any conversation with Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. CARROLL. Some. He stated that he had not done anything that - he said, "Well, I was carrying a pistol, but that is all."


Mr. STERN - Was he asked whether he was carrying a pistol at the time he was in the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Yes; that was brought up. He admitted that he was carrying a pistol at the time he was arrested.

Mr. McCLOY. Was it a sharpshooter's or a marksman's? There are two different types, you know.
Mr. HOSTY. I believe it was a sharpshooter, sir. He then told Captain Fritz that he had been living at 1026 North Beckley, that is in Dallas, Tex., at 1026 North Beckley under the name O. H. Lee and not under his true name.
Oswald admitted that he was present in the Texas School Book Depository Building on the 22d of November 1963, where he had been employed since the 15th of October. Oswald told Captain Fritz that he was a laborer in this building and had access to the entire building. It had offices on the first and second floors with storage on third, fourth, fifth and sixth floors.
Oswald told Captain Fritz that he went to lunch at approximately noon on the 22d of November, ate his lunch in the lunchroom, and had gone and gotten a Coca Cola from the Coca Cola machine to have with his lunch. He claimed that he was in the lunchroom at the time President Kennedy passed the building.
He was asked why he left the School Book Depository that day, and he stated that in all the confusion he was certain that there would be no more work for the rest of the day, that everybody was too upset, there was too much confusion, so he just decided that there would be no work for the rest of the day and so he went home. He got on a bus and went home. He went to his residence on North Beckley, changed his clothes, and then went to a movie.
Captain Fritz asked him if he always carried a pistol when he went to the movie, and he said he carried it because he felt like it. He admitted that he did have a pistol on him at the time of his arrest, in this theatre, in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas. He further admitted that he had resisted arrest and had received a bump and a cut as a result of his resisting of arrest. He then denied that he had killed Officer Tippit or President Kennedy.

Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.


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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2018, 08:21:18 AM »


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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2018, 08:39:12 PM »
Hilarious, so you want to pick and choose what Oswald says as to what you want to believe! You Kooks are unbelievable.

Isn't that what you're doing?

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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2018, 08:43:04 PM »
For a start McDonald, Walker, Hutson, Brewer

 BS:

Quote Walker or Hutson saying that they saw a gun in Oswald's hand.

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and don't forget that Oswald himself admitted that he was carrying his revolver,

Oswald admitted that he purchased a revolver in Fort Worth.  Picker-and-chooser.

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No, you're so wrong it's embarrassing, the bulk of the evidence only leads in one direction and all your petty isolated insignificant discrepancies doesn't change the fact that any piece of evidence is supported by all the other pieces of evidence.

LOL.  Yeah, like a wedding ring in a cup.

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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2018, 08:43:04 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2018, 08:46:25 PM »
You dodged my question.

I don't know if anyone had short sleeves or not.  I do know that Oswald did not.

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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2018, 08:49:24 PM »
There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that proves without any doubt that Oswald was carrying a Revolver.

Your "mountain" is unfair and biased lineups by the Dallas PD involving mostly people who saw no crime committed.

Sorry.

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Re: Suicide by Cop!
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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2018, 12:20:09 AM »
I don't know if anyone had short sleeves or not.  I do know that Oswald did not.

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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2018, 12:55:11 AM »


Quote Walker or Hutson saying that they saw a gun in Oswald's hand.

Okay

TESTIMONY OF THOMAS ALEXANDER HUTSON
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hutson.htm

(...)

Mr. HUTSON. McDonald was at this time simultaneously trying to hold this person's right hand. Somehow this person* moved his right hand to his waist, and I saw a revolver come out, and McDonald was holding on to it with his right hand, and this gun was waving up toward the back of the seat like this.
Mr. BELIN. Now you had your left hand, or was it McDonald's left hand, on the suspect's right hand?
Mr. HUTSON. McDonald was using both of his hands to hold onto this person's right hand.
Mr. BELIN. Okay.
Mr. HUTSON. And the gun was waving around towards the back of the seat, up and down, and I heard a snapping sound at one time.
Mr. BELIN. What kind of snapping sound was it?
Mr. HUTSON. Sounded like the snap of a pistol, to me, when a pistol snaps.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know which way the pistol was pointing when you heard the snap?
Mr. HUTSON. Was pointing toward the back of the seat.
Mr. BELIN. It was pointing toward the back of the seat?
Mr. HUTSON. Yes; toward the screen in the front of the theatre, in that direction.
Mr. BELIN. Wait a minute, now. Toward the screen?
Mr. HUTSON. Right.
Mr. BELIN. Toward the front of the theatre, or the back of the theatre?
Mr. HUTSON. Toward the front of the theatre, we will call, facing the screen.

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*the funny-looking guy that the shoe-store manager saw in his window near the tennis shoes

Oswald admitted that he purchased a revolver in Fort Worth.  Picker-and-chooser.
>>> He said he bought the pistol in Fort Worth but wouldn't say where in Fort Worth. I guess you forgot that rather important point.

Feel free to post contrary information re a Dirty Harvey* Fort Worth pistol gettin' place**

*Smith, Wesson... and Lee'
**A hearty shout-out to the Josh Brolin character in No Country for Old Men
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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2019, 01:03:42 AM »
Quote Walker or Hutson saying that they saw a gun in Oswald's hand.

Okay

Well, you successfully quoted Hutson.  Unfortunately you didn't quote him saying anywhere that he saw a gun in Oswald's hand.

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>>> He said he bought the pistol in Fort Worth but wouldn't say where in Fort Worth. I guess you forgot that rather important point.

What makes that an "important point"?

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Re: Suicide by Cop!
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2019, 01:03:42 AM »