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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #128 on: January 06, 2019, 02:12:39 PM »
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Mr Narvarro, Just answer this question:.... Could any of the "suspects" you have named controlled the autopsy of President Kennedy?

There's no doubt that the autopsy was a sham....   Who had the power to control that autopsy?

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question. The events that led to the autopsy being performed at Bethesda is documented in The Death of a President by William Manchester, a civilian and not subject to any military or governmental pressure. The reason for the incompleteness of the autopsy being an incomplete one was mainly due to Jaqueline Kennedy who didn't even want an autopsy performed. It was as a result to deference to her wishes and the pressure to end the autopsy as quickly as possible due to Jaqueline's presence at Bethesda Naval Hospital and her desire to get on with the ceremony and her late husbands burial. According to Dr. Humes he was not under any pressure but I think he knows that Dr. Burkley was hurrying things up and interfering in the process as a curtesy to both Robert and Jaqueline Kennedy. I have to be somewhere at the moment so I'll continue later today.

Nevertheless, photos and X-Rays taken at Bethesda of the Presidents body and wounds should leave no doubt there was only one entry wound to the head and back and only one exit wound to the head. The path of the bullet can be traced in JFK's head as coming from rear to front and the large wound to the right side of the head corresponds with that shown in the Zapruder film. So, even though the doctors at Bethesda did not trace the wound from JFK's back to the throat the evidence in JFK's tie and shirt, plus the Zapruder film showing JFK assuming the Thorburg position as JBC is shown to be on the receiving end of a bullet, clearly indicate that the bullet that entered JFK's upper back exited through his throat and then entered JBC in the back, exited through his chest (see lapel flip), and struck his right wrist (see hat flip as JBC is holding it with his right hand).

For anyone who insist that there was some nefarious reason behind the choice of Bethesda as the hospital , for the choice of the doctors to perform the autopsy, that the documented evidence (such as the photos, X-Rays, Humes autopsy report) were faked, and that the testimony of the doctors performing the autopsy were lies, definite provable evidence must be produced or else you're just rowing up the river without a paddle.
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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #129 on: January 06, 2019, 05:21:15 PM »
The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question. The events that led to the autopsy being performed at Bethesda is documented in The Death of a President by William Manchester, a civilian and not subject to any military or governmental pressure. The reason for the incompleteness of the autopsy being an incomplete one was mainly due to Jaqueline Kennedy who didn't even want an autopsy performed. It was as a result to deference to her wishes and the pressure to end the autopsy as quickly as possible due to Jaqueline's presence at Bethesda Naval Hospital and her desire to get on with the ceremony and her late husbands burial. According to Dr. Humes he was not under any pressure but I think he knows that Dr. Burkley was hurrying things up and interfering in the process as a curtesy to both Robert and Jaqueline Kennedy. I have to be somewhere at the moment so I'll continue later today.

Nevertheless, photos and X-Rays taken at Bethesda of the Presidents body and wounds should leave no doubt there was only one entry wound to the head and back and only one exit wound to the head. The path of the bullet can be traced in JFK's head as coming from rear to front and the large wound to the right side of the head corresponds with that shown in the Zapruder film. So, even though the doctors at Bethesda did not trace the wound from JFK's back to the throat the evidence in JFK's tie and shirt, plus the Zapruder film showing JFK assuming the Thorburg position as JBC is shown to be on the receiving end of a bullet, clearly indicate that the bullet that entered JFK's upper back exited through his throat and then entered JBC in the back, exited through his chest (see lapel flip), and struck his right wrist (see hat flip as JBC is holding it with his right hand).

For anyone who insist that there was some nefarious reason behind the choice of Bethesda as the hospital , for the choice of the doctors to perform the autopsy, that the documented evidence (such as the photos, X-Rays, Humes autopsy report) were faked, and that the testimony of the doctors performing the autopsy were lies, definite provable evidence must be produced or else you're just rowing up the river without a paddle.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question. The events that led to the autopsy being performed at Bethesda is documented in The Death of a President by William Manchester, a civilian and not subject to any military or governmental pressure. The reason for the incompleteness of the autopsy being an incomplete one was mainly due to Jaqueline Kennedy who didn't even want an autopsy performed. It was as a result to deference to her wishes and the pressure to end the autopsy as quickly as possible due to Jaqueline's presence at Bethesda Naval Hospital and her desire to get on with the ceremony and her late husbands burial. According to Dr. Humes he was not under any pressure but I think he knows that Dr. Burkley was hurrying things up and interfering in the process as a curtesy to both Robert and Jaqueline Kennedy. I have to be somewhere at the moment so I'll continue later today.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy.

Thank You...Nuff said...  However I have a question.

Since this was the body of the President Of the United States, who had been brutally murdered.... Can you please offer me a plausible explanation That ....The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy.

Don't bother with the B.S. about Jackie having the power to circumvent the law.... .... 


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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #130 on: January 06, 2019, 05:47:13 PM »
The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question. The events that led to the autopsy being performed at Bethesda is documented in The Death of a President by William Manchester, a civilian and not subject to any military or governmental pressure. The reason for the incompleteness of the autopsy being an incomplete one was mainly due to Jaqueline Kennedy who didn't even want an autopsy performed. It was as a result to deference to her wishes and the pressure to end the autopsy as quickly as possible due to Jaqueline's presence at Bethesda Naval Hospital and her desire to get on with the ceremony and her late husbands burial. According to Dr. Humes he was not under any pressure but I think he knows that Dr. Burkley was hurrying things up and interfering in the process as a curtesy to both Robert and Jaqueline Kennedy. I have to be somewhere at the moment so I'll continue later today.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy. That goes without question.

The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy.

Thank You...Nuff said...  However I have a question.

Since this was the body of the President Of the United States, who had been brutally murdered.... Can you please offer me a plausible explanation That ....The autopsy at Bethesda was definitely an incomplete one, performed by doctors not trained in forensic autopsy.

Don't bother with the B.S. about Jackie having the power to circumvent the law.... ....

I'll tell you this. Read Death of a President by William Manchester. Until you do don't bother asking me what I should bother about.

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #131 on: January 07, 2019, 01:54:15 AM »
I'll tell you this. Read Death of a President by William Manchester. Until you do don't bother asking me what I should bother about.

Death of a President was one of the first books I read about the murder of JFK....That was decades ago ( I've read it a couple of times)  and I'm still puzzled by the way Manchester related and described events....  The prose seemed to be so flamboyant and bombastic that I've long wondered if Manchester was writing with tongue in cheek.... I reached the conclusion that Machester wanted to reveal information that he could only impart if he made it sound implausible ......

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #132 on: January 07, 2019, 01:59:42 AM »
I'll tell you this. Read Death of a President by William Manchester. Until you do don't bother asking me what I should bother about.

I agree. I've got a copy. A must read for anyone interested in the Kennedy assassination.

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« Reply #133 on: January 07, 2019, 03:17:22 AM »
I agree. I've got a copy. A must read for anyone interested in the Kennedy assassination.

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A CLASH OF CAMELOTS
Within months of J.F.K.?s death, the president?s widow asked William Manchester to write the authorized account of the assassination. He felt he couldn?t refuse her. Two years later, nearly broken by the task, Manchester found himself fighting a bitter, headline-making battle with Jackie and Bobby Kennedy over the finished book. The author chronicles the toll Manchester?s 1967 best-seller, The Death of a President, exacted?physically, emotionally, and financially?before it all but disappeared.
BY SAM KASHNER
OCTOBER 2009

....For two days before the burial, the line of citizens waiting to file by the catafalque reached five miles, snaking through the chill, solemn streets of the capital. For the procession from the Rotunda to St. Matthew?s Cathedral, where the funeral Mass was held, Mrs. Kennedy didn?t want to ride in one of the government?s black Cadillacs, so she walked, leading a delegation from 92 nations. Charles de Gaulle, who towered over the other heads of state as they followed the horse-drawn caisson down Constitution Avenue, later reflected that President Kennedy?s widow ?gave the world an example of how to behave.? Manchester later noted that, in the hours after the tragedy, ?Jacqueline Kennedy was virtually the government of this country and held it together.? After the assassination, she had stood beside Lyndon B. Johnson in her blood-splattered Chanel suit as he was sworn into office. Now, at the president?s funeral, in her black widow?s garb, she symbolized the nation?s grief. For five years in a row, a Gallup poll named her ?the most admired woman in the world.?

Following the ordeal of the funeral, Jacqueline resolved to leave the White House as quickly as possible. Before departing, she had a plaque inscribed with the words ?In this room lived John Fitzgerald Kennedy, with his wife Jacqueline, during the two years, ten months, and two days he was president of the United States? and placed it in the Lincoln bedroom. (The Nixons would later have the plaque removed.) Eleven days after the funeral, Jacqueline sought refuge at her temporary home at 3038 N Street, in Georgetown.

Beset by writers clamoring for interviews, Jacqueline decided to designate one to produce the official story of the assassination. In part, she wanted to stop Jim Bishop, a syndicated columnist living in Florida, who was already preparing a book. He was the author of The Day Lincoln Was Shot and a just-finished book, A Day in the Life of President Kennedy, but according to Arthur Schlesinger Jr., the Pulitzer Prize?winning historian and special assistant to Kennedy, the First Lady considered Bishop a ?hack? who asked too many personal questions. She preferred that no book be written, but as that was impossible, she went in search of an author.

William Manchester was not her first choice. Theodore H. White, a family favorite (The Making of the President 1960), and Walter Lord (A Night to Remember) turned her down. Then Pierre Salinger, the Kennedys? press secretary, suggested Manchester, a onetime foreign correspondent for the Baltimore Sun and the author of novels and nonfiction books on H.L. Mencken, the Rockefellers, and President Kennedy....

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #134 on: January 07, 2019, 03:23:38 AM »
Death of a President was one of the first books I read about the murder of JFK....That was decades ago ( I've read it a couple of times)  and I'm still puzzled by the way Manchester related and described events....  The prose seemed to be so flamboyant and bombastic that I've long wondered if Manchester was writing with tongue in cheek.... I reached the conclusion that Machester wanted to reveal information that he could only impart if he made it sound implausible ......

He was writing with an intelligent audience in mind. He didn't dumb it down.

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #135 on: January 07, 2019, 02:38:06 PM »
He was writing with an intelligent audience in mind. He didn't dumb it down.

Anything above Dr. Seuss The Cat in the Hat would be considered bombastic by Cakebread.

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #135 on: January 07, 2019, 02:38:06 PM »