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Offline Eddie Haymaker

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2018, 07:15:30 AM »
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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2018, 05:41:45 PM »
The government agencies involved in depicting LHO as they do is only for convenience which is more like excuses for lies  And if they expected the world to believe it I am amazed by people who were right there during the assassination especially reporters who were willing to accept anything from the government  in exchange for making the crazy event more about themselves. I am sure you have seen all sorts of interviews,  have you noticed a common theme from every other media person who witnessed the events of Nov.22 tend to act almost proud of being a witness, it is the strangest thing, but explains so much about how weak the press can be and is still so true today.
The reporters who covered this event - the ones I've read such as Hugh Aynesworth - interviewed associates and colleagues of Oswald's. People who knew him. Marina, Robert Oswald and others. It was from these accounts and others where we have our understanding of the person.

You do know that you don't have to read a single word of the Warren Commission to find out about who Lee Oswald was? The people who knew him were interviewed.

By the way, may I ask you a question? Who is "the government"? You seem to view it as some sort of monolithic "thing" or entity. It's been more than fifty years since the assassination. Do you think "the government" - whatever that is - is covering up what happened?

For me "the government" consists of dozens of agencies and departments filled with thousands and thousands of people. These are bureaucracies filled with people who often have their own agendas. Anyone who believes that "the government" can be controlled is simply wrong.
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Offline Eddie Haymaker

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2018, 07:43:47 PM »
Well where is our fresh investigation?

The HSCA ruled a probable conspiracy defying the WR's findings

Why hasn't there been a full and extensive investigation?

The Lane Enquiry headed by Mark Lane (1990)

M Lane
V Bugliosi
Warren E Burger
J Marrs
J Garrison
Ted Kennedy
Edwin Meese

This is what needs to happen - believers and non-believers alike

we should ALL want this - A balanced full & fair investigation

Do you really think ANY branch of government would want to admit

a coup took place in the US in 1963?

"It's easier to fool people
than to convince them that they have been fooled."

Mark Twain





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Offline Peter Kleinschmidt

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2018, 10:48:07 AM »
I think the government is out of control, for example, the CIA was created out of the OSS but OSS had been related to WARTIME. the CIA developed into ALL THE TIME. An agency going from SOME of the TIME to ALL of the TIME, there is a  loose climate created that inevitably breeds all sorts of problems relating to "who is accountable."  Or when Pres. Eisenhower warned of the Military Industrial Complex he seemed very concerned about the government's future and sure enough, the outside influence becomes normalized. An example I see today would be the Government Media Complex, there was a time when I could not tell a news anchorman's political leanings where today news anchors are flaunting their political leanings.  Walter Cronkite, Paul Harvey, and others repeated: "the weapon was a Mauser" only to find that it oddly changed, 2 completely different newsmen who probably at the time believed there was a mix-up. Live TV then was in its infancy which made it easy and at the same time difficult to control. Now I am getting off topic or at least I am wandering.

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2018, 07:24:21 PM »
And how would these seasoned experts approach the JFK case, by looking at the evidence?

This is just off the top of my head.

Oswald ordered the rifle. - Prove it sucka
Oswald was photographed with the rifle. - By whom? Marina said she took 1 photo. There were at least 6 taken, with different cameras. DPD?
Oswald's rifle was seen in his Neeley street house. - Seen by 1 of his handlers?
Oswald's rifle was seen in the Paine's garage. - Not by Ruth according to her FBI interview "I was surprised to learn that he had a gun."
Oswald visited the Paine house on a Thursday. - So?
Oswald left his wedding ring with his wife on the morning of the assassination. - That's because he was about to play the patsy in the Big Event.
Oswald lied about the contents of the brown paper bag. - Sheep dipping the patsy. How many prints were on that bag that he supposedly manhandled? Ans: 1 partial palm print and a pinky print.
Oswald lied about where he placed the package in Frazier's car. - Even if true, what does that prove?
Oswald's prints were found on the murder weapon - No they weren't. Which isn't possible without wiping them off after extensive handling of the rifle.
Oswald's shirt fibers were found on the murder weapon - Planted you mean.
Oswald's prints were found on the recently moved rifle rest box. - LHO left 1 left palm print on Box A, 1 right palm print on Box D and nothing else on the 6th floor, while  the investigator's prints were all over the place.
Oswald was seen in the sniper's nest window. - Eye witnesses, you believe them when it suits you.
The autopsy showed that Kennedy was hit from high and behind. - Still waiting for your laser re-enactment to prove it was possible, let alone feasible.
The bullet fragments found in the Limo were exclusively linked to Oswald's rifle. - LOL, like the MB?
Oswald immediately fled the crime scene - As per instructions. LHO knew he was the designated patsy, but the plan was for him to escape, possibly to Russia or Mexico. Then came the double-cross.
Oswald fumbled about jumping from a slow moving bus to a cab. - WTF does this have to do with anything? He was anxious to meet with his handler to help him escape.
Oswald got out way past his rooming house. - As per instructions.
Oswald got his revolver. - Which also had none of his prints on it or the hulls that he supposedly ejected at the crime scene. How was that possible?
Oswald was seen killing a cop. - More eye witness testimony collected by conspirators.
The shells at the scene which were discarded by Oswald were exclusively linked to Oswald's revolver. - What about the bullets? There is no known scientific procedure that can conclusively relate a fired bullet, to an expended cartridge case.
Oswald was positively identified by many people while he fled from that crime scene. - Just before he fled, LHO pressed a plunger on his .38 to eject ALL his spent hulls (4) at the crime scene. Was it to reload?
Oswald while being arrested tried to kill more Police. - This was according to the conspirators, which was after LHO knew he had been double-crossed and he was being set up as the patsy to take the fall. So he must have reloaded.
Oswald denied owning the murder weapon. - Not the revolver. Otherwise, there is no proof that the MC was even the murder weapon, let alone owned and fired by Oswald.
Oswald claimed that the authentic backyard photos were manipulated. - Then maybe you can explain the darkroom shenanigans of the DPD.
Oswald forget that he lived at Neeley street the address where he was photographed with the rifle. - Photographed once by Marina? Right.

With all this evidence what other conclusion could possibly be considered? - All it takes is 1 contradiction to destroy the silly LN hypothesis and there are many. Conclusion: Oswald never even took a shot. The conspirators wouldn't let him. He was just the LN patsy, who knew too much.

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2018, 08:02:14 PM »
The reporters who covered this event - the ones I've read such as Hugh Aynesworth - interviewed associates and colleagues of Oswald's. People who knew him. Marina, Robert Oswald and others. It was from these accounts and others where we have our understanding of the person.

You do know that you don't have to read a single word of the Warren Commission to find out about who Lee Oswald was? The people who knew him were interviewed.

By the way, may I ask you a question? Who is "the government"? You seem to view it as some sort of monolithic "thing" or entity. It's been more than fifty years since the assassination. Do you think "the government" - whatever that is - is covering up what happened?

For me "the government" consists of dozens of agencies and departments filled with thousands and thousands of people. These are bureaucracies filled with people who often have their own agendas. Anyone who believes that "the government" can be controlled is simply wrong.

The reporters who covered this event - the ones I've read such as Hugh Aynesworth - interviewed associates and colleagues of Oswald's. People who knew him. Marina, Robert Oswald and others. It was from these accounts and others where we have our understanding of the person.

I'd wager a large amount of money that those same reporters could paint a picture of Steve Galbraith that would have Joe Gullible loathing Galbraith....

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2018, 08:21:07 PM »
The reporters who covered this event - the ones I've read such as Hugh Aynesworth - interviewed associates and colleagues of Oswald's. People who knew him. Marina, Robert Oswald and others. It was from these accounts and others where we have our understanding of the person.

I'd wager a large amount of money that those same reporters could paint a picture of Steve Galbraith that would have Joe Gullible loathing Galbraith....

Empty words as usual.

Those people knew Oswald or spoke with people who did. You didn't, I didn't, They Did.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Ruth Paine - Absolutely part of a conspiracy
« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2018, 01:14:38 AM »
Lets for arguments sake assume LHO did take a shot at walker.

This is where it all comes undone. On one hand they are presenting this like a totally innocent coincidence where they get him the job by chance and good intent but on the other is the walker evidence being revealed after the fact showing him to be an aspiring assassin all along.

So which one is it? You can?t have both.

Oh and BTW the route was changed, security was relaxed, the roof was off and the rear seats were raised up.

You wanna talk about getting Dracula a job at the blood bank?

What are the odds of this? any city in america,any route,any building on said route,any vip,any day. Thats one lucky lone gunman.He waited 5 weeks for his unlikely opportunity. So when was the last time a sitting US president drove through Dealey Plaza? NEVER? A mathematical impossibility? So If DNA evidence is based on mathematical probability why isn't this real evidence?

No assumption needed re Walker attempt.
No magic needed in any bullets that day unless they came from the knoll or a ghost.

Oh, btw.. apparently the back seat wasn't raised, the plastic roof wasn't bulletproof (or even bullet-resistant. Nor was the limo itself. In fact LBJ was aghast to learn that, especially when he found out Hoover himself had two bulletproof limos at his personal disposal.. one in California; the other in New York if I remember correctly.
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