The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?

[Andrew Mason]

I'm sorry, what? You're going to have to explain to me how Connally's WC testimony destroys the SBT. Because I don't see it. In fact, I see just the opposite.

Connally's WC testimony conflicts with a first-shot-SBT.  Each of three independent bodies of witness evidence (1. that JFK reacted to the first shot, 2. that the first shot was after z190, and 3. that the last two shots were closer together) conflict with anything other than a first-shot-SBT.  So, in that sense, Connally's WC testimony, if correct, would rule out the SBT.

[Walt Cakebread]

Can you provide us with the make and model of a rifle that could fire .45 calibre bullets and was made in or prior to 1963?

I'm glad you asked....The CIA had constructed shoulder fired assassination rifles which were equipped with silencers.
They used the 30 caliber carbine and re-barreled it to fire the 45 acp cartridge Thus they had a powerful short rang weapon that made no noise when fired.   ( Those who fired the silenced carbine said that the only sound audible was the click of the bolt as it operated.   There was a good write up on this carbine in a gun magazine many years ago....

[Eddie Haymaker]

There is also such a word as umpteenth and that's how many magic bullet threads that have been posted on this forum in the past year. Why start another one? It has always managed to be challenged.

Why post on a thread?

just to complain about the thread you are posting on?

This never fails to amaze me

 

[Andrew Mason]

I'm glad you asked....The CIA had constructed shoulder fired assassination rifles which were equipped with silencers.
They used the 30 caliber carbine and re-barreled it to fire the 45 acp cartridge Thus they had a powerful short rang weapon that made no noise when fired.   ( Those who fired the silenced carbine said that the only sound audible was the click of the bolt as it operated.   There was a good write up on this carbine in a gun magazine many years ago....

Anyone can make stuff like that up. What is your source for the existence of such a rifle? And where can we find one?


.45 calibre is awfully big for a rifle - almost 2x the diameter of the 6.5 mm - 4x the cross-sectional area.  Stability would be a huge problem unless the bullet length increases substantially. But that increases bullet mass and therefore the amount of energy required, so it needs proportionately more powder.  But that is not all. Air resistance increases a the square of the diameter too, which increases the stability forces required. So spin rate has to be even higher to maintain accuracy. But to get a high spin rate it has to traverse the barrel faster.  If you shorten the barrel you have to increase the speed even more.  So I would be very surprised if anyone made such a rifle because it would have so many problems with accuracy.

[Tim Nickerson]

Connally's WC testimony conflicts with a first-shot-SBT. 

I agree. His testimony supports a second shot SBT. 

[Eddie Haymaker]

"the first shot didn't hit me"

"the second shot DID hit me"

It's clear as day

[Tim Nickerson]

"the first shot didn't hit me"

"the second shot DID hit me"

It's clear as day

Absolutely! 

[Andrew Mason]

I agree. His testimony supports a second shot SBT. 

Not exactly. It does not destroy a second shot SBT but it doesn't exactly support it. He said that when he turned around to see if JFK was ok he was unable to see him. That suggests that JFK  was not where he had been on previous occasions when JBC had turned around to speak with JFK.  It is difficult to understand why he could not have turned around and seen JFK before z193 because JFK is quite far to the right with his right elbow on the top of the right side of the car. JBC had made that turn easily to chat with the President during the trip through Dallas. More to the point, there is no attempt to even look at JFK prior to about z250.