Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting

[John Iacoletti]

If Oswald had been in the Domino room at 12:25, he must have come down, from the 2nd floor lunchroom, abandoning his favorite place to eat alone occasionally,

Where'd you get that, Zeon?

[John Iacoletti]

On the 24th Oswald told Inspector Holmes "when lunch time came, and he didn't say which floor he was on, he said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he stated 'You go down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes.' Before he could finish whatever he was doing , he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and he went downstairs".

This should give you a flavor of how much Holmes was paying attention to what was being said during that interrogation:

"But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved. He mentioned something about a coke."

[Walt Cakebread]

How inconsistent.   

How about the guy who initially said he couldn't identify the guy he saw in the lineup and then later changed that to "I really could -- I pinkie swear it"?  Who checked his back story?

Excellent point, Mr I....  The cops said they didn't take Benavides in to view a line up, because he said that he couldn't Identify the killer.  When inreality Benavides told them that He'd seen Lee's picture on TV and he knew that he couldn't ID Lee as the Killer.    They only wanted witnesses that were unsure.... or those that were easily manipulated.   

[Walt Cakebread]

Since when is seeing "movement" evidence of anything?

Brennan does not belong in category A.

Mr. McCLOY. Did you see the rifle discharge, did you see the recoil or the flash?
Mr. BRENNAN. No.
Mr. McCLOY. But you heard the last shot.
Mr. BRENNAN. The report; yes, sir.

Besides Brennan never said how he knew the guy in position for the final shot (and thus blocked by boxes) was the same guy he saw earlier sitting on the window sill.  Perhaps he just assumed it.  He also never explained how how could see the guy from the belt up at the time of the last shot.

Brennan embellished his story more and more every time he told it.  Have you read his book?

Only Euins actually claimed to see a person firing a rifle, and the person he saw had a bald spot.  He also told one reporter that it was a "colored man".

Brennan never said how he knew the guy in position for the final shot (and thus blocked by boxes) was the same guy he saw earlier sitting on the window sill.  Perhaps he just assumed it.

Yes, I think that's exactly right, Brennan ASSUMED that it was the same guy..... And I think it was an excellent assumption.... Unless there was more than one man up there dressed in light colored Khaki clothing, who was in his early thirties, and weighed between 165 and 175 pounds.

  He also never explained how how could see the guy from the belt up at the time of the last shot.

Really??? Hmmmm....  "Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight"......

Brennan said he could see the entire upper portion of the man's body from his belt up....and he saw the man let the gun down to his side .....

Is there some stance besides standing that Brennan could have witnessed these actions from down on ELm street??

[Bill Chapman]

How inconsistent.   

How about the guy who initially said he couldn't identify the guy he saw in the lineup and then later changed that to "I really could -- I pinkie swear it"?  Who checked his back story?

His wife

 

[Bill Chapman]

Excellent point, Mr I....  The cops said they didn't take Benavides in to view a line up, because he said that he couldn't Identify the killer.  When inreality Benavides told them that He'd seen Lee's picture on TV and he knew that he couldn't ID Lee as the Killer.    They only wanted witnesses that were unsure.... or those that were easily manipulated.

Seems you two have suddenly become 'besties'

Whoulda thunk it?
LOL

[Oscar Navarro]

Oscar .........why are you so reluctant to address this. According to the sequence of events.

Williams first day statement indicates he did not go to the 6th floor with his lunch but went usptairs with Jarman and Norman to the fifth floor instead. "Just after" they got there they saw the motorcade pass. Does this sound consistent with a time around 12.25pm to you for their arrival?

It was only a couple of hours since the assassination when he wrote that statement. Of those who worked on the 6th floor that day only Williams, Shelley, Dougherty, Arce and Lovelady were taken in for statements.

According to their WC testimony BRW did not go up with Jarman and Norman to the fifth floor. It was during their WC testimony that many things were cleared up, previous statements they were alleged to have made corrected and the truth of the events more or less arrived at. It was a shame that Norman's and Jarman's times were not addressed as they did not correlate with BRW's but I don't believe any of these guys were trying to hide anything and WC counsel were not trying to cover up anything. I've already said this much before so that should cover whatever it was that BRW put down on the 22nd.

Now, since you are supposedly interested in debating and discussing, why don't you address what I have brought up in previous posts.

[Oscar Navarro]

The area in front of the elevators on the first floor was the "shipping room"..... And Jarman and Norman walked through the shipping room to get to the west facing gate of the west elevator......

You're FOS, Cakebread. Here's the diagram of the first floor that shows Roy Truly's movement from the front door facing Elm St to the stairs next to the elevators. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133#relPageId=982&tab=page As can be seen there is no "Shipping room". There maybe was a shipping department as can be seen in CE-677 were Lt. Day wrote shipping department on a piece of paper taken from the rolling machine used to make the paper sack.

Mr. BELIN. Well, perhaps you might explain to the Commission just what exactly the nature of your business is, and how an employee would go about filling orders.
Mr. TRULY. We are agents for a number of publishers. We furnish offices for those who desire them in Texas. And our business is shipping, inventorying, collecting, doing all the bookkeeping work for the various publishers' books.
Now, we have most of the publishers' stock is lined up alphabetically by titles or by stock numbers or code numbers, whichever determines that.
And the location of the books each publisher's books are to themselves. They are not mixed in with several other publishers on the various floors.
On the first floor we have bin stock, shelf stock, we fill a lot of small orders from.
And then in the basement the same.
The fifth and the sixth floor, and part of the seventh floor is overflow stock. It is reserve stock.
But the boys have to go to those floors all during the day to pick up stock and bring it to the first floor in order to process and complete the orders for the checker.
Mr. DULLES. What would reserve stock mean?
Mr. TRULY. Actually it is not reserve stock--it is not surplus either. It is part of our stock. But we can carry a limited. amount only on the first floor where we do our shipping. So they may get an order for a hundred copies of a certain book and there may only be 10 or 15 or 20 on the shelf on the first floor. They will have to go upstairs and get a carton or two. And they replenish the first floor stock from that.
And many of our freight orders are filled entirely from our reserve stock. And they bring them to the first floor. All orders reach the first floor, where they are checked and processed and packed and shipped from that floor.