Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

[Jerry Freeman]

... why did FBI agent Hosty and Curry Fritz say he denied going there? He was dead. Hosty and Curry Fritz could have said he admitted going there. Why didn't Hoover order Hosty to say Oswald admitted he went to MC? They could say anything and he couldn't refute it.

And has been going on with this strawman-coulda-shoulda-woulda ever since.

What's the use of continuing the discussion?

And yet it continues for another year.

[Thomas Graves]

The three Soviet KGB officers who met Oswald say it was indeed Oswald. Two of the three Cubans at the consulate say it was Oswald. The third, the consul, said the person who he met didn't look like the Oswald who appeared on TV and arrested for the assassination. Duran's description is off but she insists it was Oswald. Duran's phone number was found in Oswald's notebook/diary.

People on the bus to Mexico City say it was Oswald. People at the hotel where he stayed say it was Oswald. Leftist Mexican students say they met a person they think was Oswald. Photos given to the Cubans are of Oswald. The signatures on them were identified as belonging to Oswald. The signature on the hotel registry was identified as Oswald. A Mexican visa given to a Oswald had, according to handwriting experts, Oswald's signature on it.

Marina said he told her he went there. Oswald wrote a draft letter - his handwriting - where he discussed going to Mexico City and failing to get a visa. A typewritten letter - typed on Ruth Paine's typewriter by Oswald (according to Ruth and Marina) - mentioning the trip and based on the draft notes found was sent to the Soviet Embassy. The signature on the letter belonged to Oswald. The writing on the envelope belonged to Oswald.

On and on and on....

You can say all of this is fake, a lie, a deception. In which case: never mind. Whatever evidence is shown that he went there will be dismissed as false. What's the use of continuing the discussion?

Steve M.,

As someone has pointed out, Oswald was a snob and therefore unlikely to have been so gregarious and out-going with complete strangers on a long-distance bus.

If you are so gullible as to believe what KGB officers Nechiporenko, Yatskov and Kostikov said after the alleged fall of the Soviet Union, is it fair to say that you also believe KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov ("Third Secretary and Assistant Cultural Attache" at the Soviet embassy) when he implausibly says he met one-on-one with an emotional, revolver-brandishing Lee Harvey Oswald at the Soviet embassy (not the consulate) on SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 29?

And why in the world would anyone believe probable KGB "honeytrapper" Marina (who, for example, claimed not to know her father's name, but used it in her name, anyway)?

The combined descriptions that Duran and Azcue gave of the man they'd dealt with on Friday, September 27, fit KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov (who probably gave Duran some passport-sized photos of Oswald that had been taken in the USSR, and who probably told Duran and Azcue what to do and say) to a "T".

LOL

--  MWT 

[Michael Walton]

"Did LHO go to Mexico?"

No, he did not and here's some good info about it:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-s-last-letter-the-scorching-hot-potato

In addition, it makes no sense or defies all plausibility that Hoover would lie about the "...the man who appears to be impersonating the man in the Dallas jail."

In addition, the embassy was the hottest one during the Cold War with multiple cameras snapping away daily on folks coming and going. How is it that the only photos revealed there during this time was the burly crew-cut guy who they tried to say it was Oswald?

[Thomas Graves]

"Did LHO go to Mexico?"

No, he did not and here's some good info about it:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-s-last-letter-the-scorching-hot-potato

In addition, it makes no sense or defies all plausibility that Hoover would lie about the "...the man who appears to be impersonating the man in the Dallas jail."

In addition, the embassy was the hottest one during the Cold War with multiple cameras snapping away daily on folks coming and going. How is it that the only photos revealed there during this time was the burly crew-cut guy who they tried to say it was Oswald?

James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio at the so-called Education Forum and of the above-linked website is full of beans.

It appears that he has never met an anti-CIA or anti-FBI, etc., tinfoil hat conspiracy theory (or a Communist, for that matter) that he doesn't love.

He's now enamored with Donald Trump, a "useful idiot" of former-Communist (but current-Fascist) KGB-boy mafioso Vladimir Putin.

--  MWT   

PS  Here's something I recently posted on Facebook:

For all you spy-minded history buffs out there --

Although the CIA memo referenced in the October 27, 2017 article (below) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald told the Mexico City Soviet embassy's security guard over the phone that he'd met with KGB's putative "Department 13" (sabotage and assassinations) officer Valiery Kostikov at the M.C. Soviet consulate a couple of days earlier (on Saturday, September 28, 1963), when you read the CIA's transcript of the intercepted call, you realize that Oswald (or an impostor?) "couldn't remember" Kostikov's name, and the security guard, Ivan Obyedkov (whom, according to what CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton told the Church Committee in 1975 and 1976, the CIA thought it had recruited but in reality was still loyal to the Kremlin), "volunteered" Kostikov's name to Oswald or "Oswald," and thereby, when the assassination of President Kennedy occurred in Dallas two months later, proactively planted in J. Edgar Hoover's mind the specter of U.S.- USSR Nuclear  Armageddon (in colloquial terms, a "WW III Virus"), which, in addition to the fact that his beloved FBI had evidently failed to monitor Oswald closely enough after he'd returned from the USSR with a probable KGB Soviet wife) strongly motivated Hoover to cover up the Soviet Union's and Cuba's involvement in the assassination of JFK.

Headline: "The release this week of thousands of previously classified U.S. documents about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy has drawn renewed attention to his shooter's contacts with the KGB two months before the killing."

https://www.rferl.org/a/us-ussr-kennedy-assassination-oswald-kgb-contact-mexico-assassinations-officer/28819941.html

[Steve M. Galbraith]

And has been going on with this strawman-coulda-shoulda-woulda ever since.And yet it continues for another year.

The, as you call it, strawman question is a question you can't answer and therefore simply dismiss. If you try to answer it your whole conspiracy theory about Mexico City falls apart. It implodes on its own contradictions.

Again: If the FBI framed Oswald as going to Mexico City then why didn't they say he admitted going there? It makes no sense that they would both frame him and then clear him. He was dead. They can say he admitted to going there.

If you were framing Oswald for this is that what you would do?

What evidence would you accept that he wasn't framed for going to Mexico City? There isn't any. If I present evidence - eyewitness accounts, physical evidence, circumstantial evidence - that he went there, you just dismiss it as all faked.

You then demand that one proves a negative. That is: Prove he didn't go to Mexico City? Prove he wasn't framed that he went to Mexico City? The only way one can even try to do so is to, as I said above, ask the above questions. Such as: if they framed him for this then why didn't they say he admitted going there? If the goal is to frame him for going to Mexico City then frame him by saying he said he did. Again: He's dead. He cannot refute it.

You don't like the evidence that he went to Mexico City. And you don't like the above questions - strawman you call them - that attempt to prove a negative.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Steve M.,

As someone has pointed out, Oswald was a snob and therefore unlikely to have been so gregarious and out-going with complete strangers on a long-distance bus.

If you are so gullible as to believe what KGB officers Nechiporenko, Yatskov and Kostikov said after the alleged fall of the Soviet Union, is it fair to say that you also believe KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov ("Third Secretary and Assistant Cultural Attache" at the Soviet embassy) when he implausibly says he met one-on-one with an emotional, revolver-brandishing Lee Harvey Oswald at the Soviet embassy (not the consulate) on SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 29?

And why in the world would anyone believe probable KGB "honeytrapper" Marina (who, for example, claimed not to know her father's name, but used it in her name, anyway)?

The combined descriptions that Duran and Azcue gave of the man they'd dealt with on Friday, September 27, fit KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov (who probably gave Duran some passport-sized photos of Oswald that had been taken in the USSR, and who probably told Duran and Azcue what to do and say) to a "T".

LOL

--  MWT 

You believe the communist Azcue. You cannot say I am "gullible" for believing the communist KGB agents and also say that you get to believe the communist Azcue.

You need to apply your own rules to your own arguments.

Second: I do not believe Oswald went to MC because these agents said he did. I believe the totality of evidence: the eyewitnesses, the physical evidence, and the circumstantial evidence. All of it combined indicates he went to Mexico City.

You dismiss all of this as being faked or staged. Fine, believe what you want but don't ask for evidence and then when presented it simply say it's faked. This is what the "CIA killed JFK" conspiracy advocates do. You know that their thinking is illogical. You should be able to recognize that your own thinking is also illogical.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

"Did LHO go to Mexico?"

No, he did not and here's some good info about it:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-s-last-letter-the-scorching-hot-potato

In addition, it makes no sense or defies all plausibility that Hoover would lie about the "...the man who appears to be impersonating the man in the Dallas jail."

In addition, the embassy was the hottest one during the Cold War with multiple cameras snapping away daily on folks coming and going. How is it that the only photos revealed there during this time was the burly crew-cut guy who they tried to say it was Oswald?

Nobody say said the "burly crew cut" guy said he was Oswald. No one.

Second, the HSCA investigated the matter and determined that the cameras covering the embassies/consulate were down during that period. No photos of anyone - none - were taken that Friday that he went to the buildings.

And the CIA did not have photo coverage of the facilities on Saturday.

If the CIA was framing Oswald on this then why release a photo of a guy that is clearly not Oswald? Doesn't that expose their framing? Of course it does. Which is why it - the man said he was Oswald - didn't happen.

Again: no one said that man in the photos identified himself as Oswald. The KGB officers at the Soviet Embassy said the man did not identify himself as Oswald. One of them, Oleg Nechiporenko, said he knew the man and said he never said he was Oswald. They all said the man they met was the real Oswald.

[Ted Shields]

If the CIA was framing Oswald on this then why release a photo of a guy that is clearly not Oswald? Doesn't that expose their framing?

Coupled with Oswalds signature on the hotel guestbook it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.