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Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #344 on: January 30, 2020, 05:37:54 PM »
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James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio at the so-called Education Forum and of the above-linked website is full of beans.



Tom, if you take all of the pet theories and name-calling away and just look at the cold facts of the case, the events of Oswald's life the last 18 months or so he was alive are too numerous for it to be mere coincidence. My father - 1,000 miles away from Oswald - was also doing the exact same kind of work (warehouse) as Oswald was. But where were all of these right-wing Russians literally hanging on to him? Where was the friendly Quaker neighbor driving him and/or my [deaf Mom] around? Where was that same neighbor nosing around and typing up my Dad's correspondence? And so on...

People like to paint LHO as some madman but the evidence proves otherwise. And I don't really care about getting into the "who did it" guessing game. *Someone* was steering this guy around and my hunch is he was most probably supposed to be gunned down in some kind of fake shootout before he ever had the chance to blurt out that he was a patsty. The lesser he was to say, the better.

If you go from A [Hoover saying the voice/photo does not match LHO] to B [he said he was a patsy] to C [his death on live TV before he could say more] everything else said above then makes perfect sense.

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #345 on: January 30, 2020, 05:48:29 PM »
Coupled with Oswalds signature on the hotel guestbook it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #346 on: January 30, 2020, 07:18:21 PM »
You believe the communist Azcue. You cannot say I am "gullible" for believing the communist KGB agents and also say that you get to believe the communist Azcue.

You need to apply your own rules to your own arguments.

Second: I do not believe Oswald went to MC because these agents said he did. I believe the totality of evidence: the eyewitnesses, the physical evidence, and the circumstantial evidence. All of it combined indicates he went to Mexico City.

You dismiss all of this as being faked or staged. Fine, believe what you want but don't ask for evidence and then when presented it simply say it's faked. This is what the "CIA killed JFK" conspiracy advocates do. You know that their thinking is illogical. You should be able to recognize that your own thinking is also illogical.

Steve "M.",

Can you think of any reason for Azcue's describing the man who allegedly gave Sylvia Duran the passport-sized photos of Oswald (which look to me as though they were taken in the USSR when Oswald's hair and face were fuller and he apparently liked to wear his sweater vest) and probably the already forged visa application in such a way that perfectly described KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov, whom we know was working under diplomatic cover at the Soviet embassy as "Third Secretary" and "Assistant Cultural Attache," and who was photographed by the CIA near said embassy one day after "Oswald's" October 1st "Kostikov" phone call (wearing what could very well be a dark blue Prince of Wales suit with reddish pinstripes / highlights)? 

Unfortunately, the two CIA photos that were taken of him that day, although they do show his blond hair and his thin physique, do not do justice to his "very thin face" nor his blue eyes not his short (5' 7") stature nor his 35 years-of-age.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  What are the chances Oswald wore that sweater vest to or in Mexico City in late September?  Was he expecting cool or cold weather there?

LOL

PPS  What do you know about Guenter Schulz (Hoover's "Tumbleweed")?

Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's beloved "Fedora")?

Oleg Brykin at the U.N.?

Valiery Kostikov at the Soviet consulate?

KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov (spelled several different ways in Angleton's Church Committee testimony transcript)?

Soviet embassy "security guard" Ivan Obyedkov (spelled "Byetkov" in the above-mentioned transcript)?

KGB  "active measures counterintelligence operations" and "strategic deception counterintelligence operations," in general?

Not much?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames/page/n3/mode/2up

LOL

PPPS  Please don't run away, again, now ...
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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #347 on: January 30, 2020, 08:06:32 PM »
Steve "M.",

Can you think of any reason for Azcue's describing the man who allegedly gave Sylvia Duran the passport-sized photos of Oswald (which look to me as though they were taken in the USSR when Oswald's hair and face were fuller and he apparently liked to wear his sweater vest) in such a way that perfectly described KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov, whom we know was working under diplomatic cover at the Soviet embassy as "Third Secretary" and "Assistant Cultural Attache," and who was photographed by the CIA near said embassy one day after "Oswald's" October 1st "Kostikov" phone call (wearing what could very well be a dark blue Prince of Wales suit with reddish pinstripes / highlights)? 

Unfortunately, the two CIA photos that were taken of him that day, although they do show his blond hair and his thin physique, do not do justice to his "very thin face" nor his blue eyes not his short (5' 7") stature nor his 35 years-of-age.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  What are the chances Oswald wore that sweater vest to or in Mexico City in late September?  Was he expecting cool or cold weather there?

LOL

PPS  What do you know about Guenter Schulz (Hoover's "Tumbleweed")?

Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's beloved "Fedora")?

Oleg Brykin at the U.N.?

Valiery Kostikov at the Soviet consulate?

KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov (spelled several different ways in Angleton's Church Committee testimony transcript)?

Soviet embassy "security guard" Ivan Obyedkov (spelled "Byetkov" in the above-mentioned transcript)?

KGB  "active measures counterintelligence operations" and "strategic deception counterintelligence operations," in general?

Not much?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames/page/n3/mode/2up

LOL

PPPS  Please don't run away, again, now ...

Mexico City has an elevation of over 7000 ft.
Historically, in September, average temp is 53 (low) to 74 ( high).  Fahrenheit.

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #348 on: January 30, 2020, 08:47:46 PM »
Mexico City has an elevation of over 7000 ft.
Historically, in September, average temp is 53 (low) to 74 ( high).  Fahrenheit.

Not exactly cold, then, huh?

Regardless, no matter how we look at it (i.e., whether the "Oswald" she dealt with on September 27 was wearing the sweater vest and tie depicted in the passport-sized photo, or the blue Prince of Wales suit which Azcue described in some detail), Sylvia Duran lied, I fear, when she described "Oswald" as  "cheaply-dressed," whatever that means.

Why did she lie like that?

To do "damage control" on the Leonov-indicating stuff she'd already let slip out to the Mexican police back around December of 1963, and to her 1978 HSCA inquisitors?

And how could her description of what Oswald or "Oswald" was wearing be so different from Azcue's?

Is she suggesting that most of the men who visited her office at the Cuban consulate wore Armani suits, Bruno Magli shoes and Rolex watches, or something?

LOL

--  MWT  ;)
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #349 on: January 31, 2020, 09:51:39 AM »
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lol

How did it end up on the guest book in the hotel?

Who did it?

Why bother?

Where was Oswald really during this time?

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #350 on: January 31, 2020, 02:13:01 PM »
lol

How did it end up on the guest book in the hotel?

Who did it?

Why bother?

Where was Oswald really during this time?
The signatures on the Cuban applications. The signature on the Mexican visa he acquired to visit Mexico. The signature on the letter he sent to the Soviet Embassy where he discussed the trip. The handwriting on the envelope. The handwriting on the draft note where he discussed the trip......

Whenever we ask how the conspirators did this or that, we get the "It's easy. They can do anything."

Then when we ask, "Why didn't they plant witnesses in Dealey Plaza to identify Oswald as the shooter?" or "Why didn't Marina say he hated JFK?" or "Why didn't Ruth Paine say she saw him with the rifle?" or "Why did the DPD let Oswald meet with the news media if they were afraid of him revealing things?" we get the dismissive "Those are strawman questions?"
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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #351 on: January 31, 2020, 03:12:13 PM »
The signatures on the Cuban applications. The signature on the Mexican visa he acquired to visit Mexico. The signature on the letter he sent to the Soviet Embassy where he discussed the trip. The handwriting on the envelope. The handwriting on the draft note where he discussed the trip......

Whenever we ask how the conspirators did this or that, we get the "It's easy. They can do anything."

Then when we ask, "Why didn't they plant witnesses in Dealey Plaza to identify Oswald as the shooter?" or "Why didn't Marina say he hated JFK?" or "Why didn't Ruth Paine say she saw him with the rifle?" or "Why did the DPD let Oswald meet with the news media if they were afraid of him revealing things?" we get the dismissive "Those are strawman questions?"

Steve M. Galbraith,

Maybe because the KGB/DGI conspiracy to assassinate JFK (if there was one) was a lot deeper than you are capable of imagining?

The KGB probably had some pretty darn good forgers (and lots of samples of LHO's handwriting and printing), and Castro's DGI probably had some pretty darn good "connections" in Mexico City, don't you think?

(Fwiw, you do realize, don't you, that, as relayed to Dick Russell by Clare Edward Petty in The Man Who Knew Too Much, George DeMohrenschildt was probably a long-term KGB "illegal"?

And you know that Marina had probably been a KGB "honeytrapper" in Leningrad, right?

And ... gasp ... what are we to make of "Russophile" Ruth Paine ... ?

Regardless, whether or not Oswald was a KGB assassin or the KGB/DGI killed JFK, look at it this way:

Without all of the KGB-inspired and/or encouraged tinfoil hat conspiracy theories that arose out of The Kennedy Assassination (which were "complemented" by other KGB tinfoil hat theories like -- "The evil, evil, evil CIA developed the HIV virus to decimate Blacks!"), would we be saddled with fascist KGB-boy Vladimir Putin's useful idiot, Donald Trump, as our "president" today?

(I think not.)

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Oh, and by the way: Britain leaves the E.U. today.

Yet another reason for the great humanitarian, Vladimir Putin, and his Saint Petersburg Internet Research  Agency trolls to be jumping for joy.

PPS  You do realize, don't you, that "Lieutenant Colonel" Yuri Nosenko, the guy who said the KGB hadn't even interviewed or monitored Marine Corps radar operator Oswald in the USSR  (much less interviewed him by ... gasp ... the "Wet Affairs and Sabotage" Department 13 of the First Chief Directorate!) was a false defector?

D'oh

For background on Nosenko (and mole Edward Ellis Smith -- and some never-uncovered person in CIA he probably helped KGB to recruit, and the never-uncovered mole: Army cipher clerk "Jack," and the KGB/GRU  U.N. Headquarters triple-agents "Fedora" (who duped Hoover for fifteen years!), "Top Hat" (who duped Hoover and the CIA for "only" two years and, interestingly enough, was eventually arrested and executed by the KGB many years later in Moscow after having actually begun informing the CIA in Burma and in India), and Kitty Hawk (who arranged the KGB's kidnapping of true-defector "Shadrin" in Vienna and told the FBI and CIA that he had been sent to the U.S. to find and execute both (true) defector Golitsyn and (false) defector Nosenko (LOL), et al., ad nauseam, and how the "KGB" (which was founded around 1920) has been running circles around our intelligence agencies (and those of our allies) since Day One, read the following 2007 book (which you'll be happy to hear was written by a former CIA officer who did NOT believe the Ruskies had anything to do with the Kennedy assassination).

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames

LOL

Oh!  And this, too, from 2014!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #351 on: January 31, 2020, 03:12:13 PM »