Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

[Walt Cakebread]

The question that should be asked is: Why do we have to rely on testimony from Marina and others to determine that Oswald was in Mexico or not?

The Russian and Cuban Embassies and Consulates in Mexico were on 24/7 surveillance by the CIA, so why is there not one photo, not one taped phone call, of Oswald in Mexico? Do we really believe that all the CIA's systems failed at the exact same time? Really?

Could it be that our intel agencies didn't want us to know that Lee had been in Mexico City?  I'd remind you that Hoover was so livid with FBI agent Hosty that he jerked Hosty out of the interrogation sessions of lee Oswald, because Hosty had broached the Mexico City  trip in front of Captain Fritz.....

[Gerry Down]

The Russian and Cuban Embassies and Consulates in Mexico were on 24/7 surveillance by the CIA, so why is there not one photo, not one taped phone call, of Oswald in Mexico? Do we really believe that all the CIA's systems failed at the exact same time? Really?

Most likely they hid these right from the beginning because they didn't want the public finding out about their secret surveillance operations in Mexico City. The only reason we found out about the surveillance operations is because the Mystery Man photo was shown to Marguerite Oswald on Nov 23rd 1963 to see if he was an accomplice of Oswald and after seeing Ruby shoot Oswald the next day, she then thought the man looked like Ruby.

With her blabbering on to people like Mark Lane that she "was shown a photo of Ruby on Nov 23rd 1963", the Warren Commission was forced to publish the Mystery Man photo to shut up her conspiracy theories.

There was nothing mysterious about the Mexico City trip. The CIA covered up about it because they didn't want the public knowing about their surveillance operation there.

[Jerry Freeman]

Most likely they hid these right from the beginning because they didn't want the public finding out about their secret surveillance operations in Mexico City. The only reason we found out about the surveillance operations is because the Mystery Man photo was shown to Marguerite Oswald on Nov 23rd 1963 to see if he was an accomplice of Oswald and after seeing Ruby shoot Oswald the next day, she then thought the man looked like Ruby.

With her blabbering on to people like Mark Lane that she "was shown a photo of Ruby on Nov 23rd 1963", the Warren Commission was forced to publish the Mystery Man photo to shut up her conspiracy theories.

There was nothing mysterious about the Mexico City trip. The CIA covered up about it because they didn't want the public knowing about their surveillance operation there.

What do you mean there was nothing mysterious about the trip? Still today it nothing but a mystery.
No one paid any attention to Marguerite anyway so she prompted nothing. Who showed her a picture of some mystery man? You say there was nothing mysterious and then you mention a mystery man. Make up my mind...or go back and re-read this entire thread again.
Especially the part where J Edna Hoover writes a memo stating that Oswald had made several trips to Cuba. Did you miss that part?
Mexico City was Surveillance Central and everybody swampy in politics and the media elite knew it. The Ruskies watched us and we watched them... the entire yarn of Oswald going back to the USSR via Cuba via Mexico was a senselessly scripted spin.
Even the CIA authors who wrote it mention that a lot of it was all pure speculation anyway.

Silvia Duran gives Oswald her phone number and tells him to call her when he gets his Soviet visa.

Why?
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP10M00666R000503450002-3.pdf
 

[Gary Craig]

11/23/63
Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

J. Edgar Hoover: No, that's one angle that's very confusing, for this reason - we have up here the tape and
the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond
to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the
Soviet embassy down there. We do have a copy of a letter which was written by Oswald to the Soviet embassy here in
Washington, inquiring as well as complaining about the harassment of his wife and the questioning of his wife by the FBI.
Now, of course, that letter information - we process all mail that goes to the Soviet embassy. It's a very secret operation.
No mail is delivered to the embassy without being examined and opened by us, so that we know what they receive... The case,
as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction... Now if we can identify this man who was at the...
Soviet embassy in Mexico City... This man Oswald has still denied everything. He doesn't know anything about anything, but
the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.

[Walt Cakebread]

11/23/63
Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

J. Edgar Hoover: No, that's one angle that's very confusing, for this reason - we have up here the tape and
the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond
to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the
Soviet embassy down there. We do have a copy of a letter which was written by Oswald to the Soviet embassy here in
Washington, inquiring as well as complaining about the harassment of his wife and the questioning of his wife by the FBI.
Now, of course, that letter information - we process all mail that goes to the Soviet embassy. It's a very secret operation.
No mail is delivered to the embassy without being examined and opened by us, so that we know what they receive... The case,
as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction... Now if we can identify this man who was at the...
Soviet embassy in Mexico City... This man Oswald has still denied everything. He doesn't know anything about anything, but
the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.

This man Oswald has still denied everything. He doesn't know anything about anything, but the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.

Lee Oswald denied all accusations naturally because  Hoover knew that he "doesn't know anything about anything," (IOW...He's just an ignorant patsy.)

but the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.

Anybody want to venture a guess about what J. Edna was referring to when he said "the gun thing is a definite trend"

[John Iacoletti]

Marina was generally truthful,

Marina Oswald Porter's Statements of a Contradictory Nature

[Jerry Freeman]

Anybody want to venture a guess about what J. Edna was referring to when he said "the gun thing is a definite trend"

OK then I'll bite.
The trend being...It is pretty much what a suspect would be expected to say [denying ownership of a weapon]
Ponder this...If the Oswald went to Mexico story did not materialize as needed...then it would have been presumed that Oswald kept this alleged rifle and hauled it around where ever he went. It was dubious was it not that he somehow managed to pack 10 lbs of crap into a 5 lb bag when he went to New Orleans and the rifle was rolled up somehow and placed on the bus? Then it is alleged that Oswald could entrust Ruth to convey the alleged rifle back to Texas without her knowledge. Think about it. It's silly...All laughable conjecture when one scatters out and looks at all the pieces for what they are.

[Walt Cakebread]

OK then I'll bite.
The trend being...It is pretty much what a suspect would be expected to say [denying ownership of a weapon]
Ponder this...If the Oswald went to Mexico story did not materialize as needed...then it would have been presumed that Oswald kept this alleged rifle and hauled it around where ever he went. It was dubious was it not that he somehow managed to pack 10 lbs of crap into a 5 lb bag when he went to New Orleans and the rifle was rolled up somehow and placed on the bus? Then it is alleged that Oswald could entrust Ruth to convey the alleged rifle back to Texas without her knowledge. Think about it. It's silly...All laughable conjecture when one scatters out and looks at all the pieces for what they are.

Thanks Jerry,.... So you think that Jane Edna Hoover was alluding to Lee carrying the carcano around when he said " The gun thing , of course, is a definite trend"

I appreciate your contribution but I don't think that's what JEH was referring to.....IMO At the time JEH said this to LBJ,  Hoovers cronies were working at connecting the carcano that was sent to Texas from Kleins to AJ Hidell at Lee Oswald's PO box.