When did Jarman and Norman go to the 5th floor?

[Walt Cakebread]

It's possible.  It's also possible that he saw them together when they were all on the first floor around 11:50-noon.  It's also possible that that he knew Norman and Jarman usually ate lunch together in the domino room (even though they didn't that day) and he just threw their names out with some generic statement about seeing them together.

We'll never know.

he just threw their names out with some generic statement about seeing them together.


Riiiiight!...That explains why Fritz jotted down....."says  two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

Lee just made an uncanny guess that Junior Jarman and Harold Norman "came in" at 12:27.....

And what's really super uncanny is the fact that Lee was so quick of mind that he knew he needed an alibi for that very time......Even though his mind would have been occupied with dozens of other thoughts if he had been guilty.

[John Iacoletti]

Riiiiight!...That explains why Fritz jotted down....."says  two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

First of all, Fritz "jotted" that down several days after the fact.

But, what did he mean by "came in"?  Came in where?  And when?  Answer that without any fabricating.

[Walt Cakebread]

First of all, Fritz "jotted" that down several days after the fact.

But, what did he mean by "came in"?  Came in where?  And when?  Answer that without any fabricating.

First of all, Fritz "jotted" that down several days after the fact.

If you actually believe that .....Then your even more gullible and naive than I previously thought.   

But, what did he mean by "came in"?  Came in where?  And when?

Well what did Jarman and Norman say?.....Didn't they say that they "CAME IN" to the first floor shipping room?

And didn't they say they left the front of the TSBD and walked north along the east side of the TSBD ( passing right in front of the Domino room windows) at 12:25?

Is this too complicated for you?

[John Iacoletti]

If you actually believe that .....Then your even more gullible and naive than I previously thought.

And your reason for not believing it is....because you fabricated a different story.
   

Well what did Jarman and Norman say?.....Didn't they say that they "CAME IN" to the first floor shipping room?

We're talking about what Oswald said.  And nobody who was present at the interrogation said that he said that.  Sorry Walt, you just made it up.  Again.

[Walt Cakebread]

And your reason for not believing it is....because you fabricated a different story.
   
We're talking about what Oswald said.  And nobody who was present at the interrogation said that he said that.  Sorry Walt, you just made it up.  Again.

We're talking about what Oswald said.

Were not talking about what Oswald said without regard to the EVENT he was talking about.....

He said that he saw Jarman and Norman come in......

It's true that HE didn't know them by name.... but we do.....

[John Iacoletti]

We're talking about what Oswald said.

Were not talking about what Oswald said without regard to the EVENT he was talking about.....

He said that he saw Jarman and Norman come in......

It's true that HE didn't know them by name.... but we do.....

You don't get to take what Norman and Jarman said they did and pretend that Oswald said that he saw that.  Sorry, that's just a fabrication.  All we know is that he said something about seeing Norman and Jarman at some unspecified time and place.


Fritz's notes:  "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

Fritz's report: "he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know."

Bookhout's report: "recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period."

Kelley's report: "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as "Junior," a colored boy, and the other was little short negro boy."

You're basing your entire fabrication on cherry-picking your interpretation of Fritz's "came in" note and ignoring everything else.  Norman and Jarman didn't say they had lunch with Oswald, nor did they "walk through" the domino room at 12:27.  It's not even very plausible that someone sitting in the domino room would have seen them come in the loading dock door and walk to the elevators because of the sight lines.

[Walt Cakebread]

You don't get to take what Norman and Jarman said they did and pretend that Oswald said that he saw that.  Sorry, that's just a fabrication.  All we know is that he said something about seeing Norman and Jarman at some unspecified time and place.


Fritz's notes:  "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

Fritz's report: "he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know."

Bookhout's report: "recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period."

Kelley's report: "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as "Junior," a colored boy, and the other was little short negro boy."

You're basing your entire fabrication on cherry-picking your interpretation of Fritz's "came in" note and ignoring everything else.  Norman and Jarman didn't say they had lunch with Oswald, nor did they "walk through" the domino room at 12:27.  It's not even very plausible that someone sitting in the domino room would have seen them come in the loading dock door and walk to the elevators because of the sight lines.

Fritz's report: "he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know."

But this is NOT what his note says......Fritz's notes:  "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."

[Colin Crow]

To John and Walt. Perhaps we can find what we can agree on. During interrogation Oswald mentioned an awareness of Jarman and Norman associated in some way with the lunch room. Would that satisfy?